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Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop
L.A. Times ^ | 02/07/2013 | Andrew Blankstein

Posted on 02/07/2013 11:46:30 PM PST by Drago

Two women who were shot by Los Angeles police in Torrance early Thursday during a massive manhunt for an ex-LAPD officer were delivering newspapers, sources said.

The women, shot in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue, were taken to area hospitals, Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase said. They were not identified. One was shot in the hand and the other in the back, according to Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated. It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; christopherdorner; copbashersonfr; donutwatch; dorner; jbt; lapd; leftwingmurderer; misidentification; oops; partisanmediashills; police
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To: hillarys cankles
these cops should be brought up on charges.

Agreed, but we both know that will never happen. It will be ruled a "good shoot." Has there ever been any other kind?

51 posted on 02/08/2013 4:44:48 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Drago

Surprised they weren’t DRONED to death.


52 posted on 02/08/2013 4:47:32 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: Drago

The first thing my Daddy tauht me about firearms was never to shoot until I was sure of my target and what was behind it.

They made a seive of that truck and obviously had no idea who was in it.

My advice to California drivers this morning is that if you have a Blue Pickup -—leave it home for the next couple of days. Drive something else.
These boys in blue are trigger happy, and they cannot tell a male driver from a woman.

And they want to take MY rights to own a gun away.


53 posted on 02/08/2013 4:48:50 AM PST by Venturer
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To: wastedyears
I don’t have much experience with firearms, but from reading what other FReepers have said through the years, the 5.56 round is certainly not high-powered.

Compared to a .50 cal or some hunting ammo no, but it is a high velocity round.

54 posted on 02/08/2013 4:50:21 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Pontiac

It also has no rack on top and, oh yeah, wrong make and model.


55 posted on 02/08/2013 4:50:28 AM PST by EEGator
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To: wastedyears

It is high powered enough, my Friend....


56 posted on 02/08/2013 4:50:37 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: deks

Dorner is BLACK???? I didn’t know that....haven’t seen a picture and have seen very little news and heard NOTHING about him being LEFT WING and Praising the MEDIA!!


57 posted on 02/08/2013 4:50:51 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: Ann Archy

I dunno about the other MSM channels but FOX has been playing the story and the guys pics, he is a highly military trained police officer, military trained policeman gon rabid with a vendetta, is a staunch Obama supporter and believes in going after his concieved version of enemies.

Which would suggest this guy will go after anyone for an Obamagod sacrifice.

I am actually thinking this person will see how many gifts he can bestow for Obama.


58 posted on 02/08/2013 4:56:33 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Drago

Wish this had happened to me.

I’d be picking out my Swiss chalet, my Colorado summer home, my northern fishing cabin, the Ivy league colleges for my kids, etc etc.


59 posted on 02/08/2013 5:07:18 AM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: Drago
I burst out laughing at the police chief when he said he wants to thank the driver of the second vehicle for his cooperation...........LOL!

While it's only rumor, the police chief was heard off camera offering to cut the guy's grass and wash his car for the next two years........

60 posted on 02/08/2013 5:10:24 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Drago
I looked at the LAT web-page and was horrified by the picture. No, not the 50+ bullet holes in the truck. Those are just a result of fear, poor training, affirmative action and political correctness. You know, typical blue state city socialism. No, what really horrified me was the POlice car. Is that a Broncho Bamma bumper sticker on it?
61 posted on 02/08/2013 5:11:41 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Tupelo
Is that a Broncho Bamma bumper sticker on it?

there are 3 stickers on that bumper:

1. Crimestoppers 2. LAPD Joinlapd.com 3. Watch The Road

62 posted on 02/08/2013 5:26:02 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: 2111USMC

The drivers of the truck may be charged with something. I suspect they will be told that if they don’t press charges, no charges will be filed on them.

Part of the game.


63 posted on 02/08/2013 5:26:33 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Every cop involved in shooting up that pick-truck with two LADIES inside need to be in prison for the rest of their lives.


64 posted on 02/08/2013 5:34:13 AM PST by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ------- The New Gold)
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To: Drago
I'd sure like to know what these women did to deserve all those bullets fired at them.

Did they brandish the classified ads in a threatening manner? Perhaps they had a handful of semiautomatic rubber bands or high capacity plastic newspaper sleeves?

Let me guess what happened here: Police in an unmarked car started following the women, who panicked & attempted to get away from the unidentified police car. Police started shooting without provocation. They will say the truck movements were suspicious. If that justifies riddling the truck with bullets, then the police state is firmly in place.

The stench of fear is heavy in the LA air. If I was a large black man and/or drove a pickup in that area, I think I might think twice about going to the store at night. What do delivery men/women do, especially at night, now that they are in serious risk of being shot by jittery LA police?Who wants to deliver the morning paper tomorrow, raise your hand?

65 posted on 02/08/2013 5:39:22 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: BuffaloJack

“same make, model, year and color as that of the shooter”

Sounds like typical media misinformation.


66 posted on 02/08/2013 5:49:03 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Lockbar

They were driving a Blue Toyota Pickup, and if you haven’t noticed yet it looks exactly like a GREY NISSAN PICKUP.


67 posted on 02/08/2013 5:53:00 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: deks

They were looking for a Nissan Titan and the truck that was shot up was definitely a Toyota Tacoma.


68 posted on 02/08/2013 5:53:55 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Drago

Sheesh...Flashbacks to Barney Fife come to mind. The LA police should at least warn the innocents in other towns that they will be hunting in their territory and that everyone should take cover until they leave town.


69 posted on 02/08/2013 6:03:00 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Mister Da
The stench of fear is heavy in the LA air.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson

70 posted on 02/08/2013 6:09:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: wastedyears
All things are relative. The 5.56mm rifle cartridge is not nearly as powerful as common hunting cartridges from the late 19th century and early 20th century - particularly and starting with the .30-'06 and most any other rifle cartridge of thereafter. The .270, .243, .300 Savage, .257 Roberts... what else... oh yeah, even the .30-40 Krag, all more powerful than the 5.56mm Nato - not to mention the .45-70 Springfield from the 1870's.

It's powerful enough, though, to let's say, "hurt very very much" out to about 400 yards or so, depending on which loading and the barrel length of the rifle shooting it, which makes it a cannon alongside any handgun cartridge.

(Well, any handgun cartridge a sane person would shoot, that it, up to and including the .44 magnum. No offense to some of the guys who shoot ubermagnums. You know who you are.)

71 posted on 02/08/2013 6:13:43 AM PST by OKSooner ("Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No!!")
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To: Drago

It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering...
__________________________________________

What difference does it make ???


72 posted on 02/08/2013 6:14:55 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: VanShuyten

Note the reflexive refusal, twice, to admit that complete incompetence was the sole reason for this disaster: It “appears” that they are not “directly related”; i.e., well, these two Chinese ladies delivering newspapers “appear” not to be in any way like a 270-pound black man, but, hey, you know, looks can be deceiving, I still think they could be in some way that we just haven’t discovered yet.


73 posted on 02/08/2013 6:16:03 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: FreedomPoster

Hmmm. Look at the shot placement; they were going for headshots. No warning, just opened fire, shooting to kill. I guess it is really easy to mistake two ladies in a different colored, and different brand of truck for a single man.

If he wasn’t a complete commie nutball, I’d be siding with Donner. Its pretty obvious that the Torrence PD and LAPD have run completely off the rails. THEY need to be disarmed, not private citizens.

I wonder what Jack Dunphy is going to have to say about this?


74 posted on 02/08/2013 6:19:59 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Yaelle

You can have disdain for police but a rabid dog that will openly target them is an absolute danger to all and conjures fear in police. He has lost his conscience and any moral compass. That is one individual to fear along with stupid pig jihadist, they have no right to life anymore.


75 posted on 02/08/2013 6:21:10 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Little Ray

And they want us to give up our weapons so these trigger-happy, vengeance seeking cops can ‘protect’ us. LOL


76 posted on 02/08/2013 6:23:32 AM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Drago

How many bullet holes are in that truck? Twenty? Thirty? I guess the easier question is, how many bullets do the guns of two LAPD officers hold?

If the standing order was to shoot on sight, the most basic rules of shooting — know what you’re shooting at — were ignored here.


77 posted on 02/08/2013 6:26:23 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Pontiac
On cops side though I will give them that the first number and letter on the women’s license plate are the same as the truck they are looking for.

No good. The target wasn't the truck; the target was a 270-pound black guy, and these guys blew it. This is a textbook case of not knowing what you're shooting at.

78 posted on 02/08/2013 6:30:18 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Pontiac

“These cops a scared sh!tless and are shooting at anything that moves.”

Bingo. He’s got under their skin.


79 posted on 02/08/2013 6:32:34 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Drago

Highly trained cops need 30 to 40 rounds to take out 2 unarmed women and they want to limit my magazine size to 10?


80 posted on 02/08/2013 6:32:41 AM PST by Starstruck (All goverments become tyrannical. Individuals determine when they do.)
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To: Mister Da

On another site I read that they were stationed outside a ‘high profile’ LAPD officer’s house, guarding it. Truck pulls up and whammo. Don’t know if that’s true or not.

Freegards


81 posted on 02/08/2013 6:35:00 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: deks

Good article. I see “46” on one of the little markers near the tire.

THEY SHOT AT LEAST FORTY SIX BULLETS!

I’m in full agreement with another poster — this is one to commit to memory for when a gun-grabber starts talking about how the police should be the only ones to carry guns because they’re so well-trained.


82 posted on 02/08/2013 6:39:28 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: FreedomPoster

Dang, those two women are lucky to be alive. If I was them and able, I’d buy some lottery tickets today.


83 posted on 02/08/2013 6:52:50 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, period. End of conversation.)
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To: Drago
It was not immediately known what newspapers the women were delivering...
 

For real? Gee, I hope they soon find out. After all - the identity of the newspaper is vital to this case. It would explain everything if we knew the name of the newspaper.


84 posted on 02/08/2013 6:56:19 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: jiggyboy
i.e., well, these two Chinese ladies delivering newspapers “appear” not to be in any way like a 270-pound black man, but, hey, you know, looks can be deceiving, I still think they could be in some way that we just haven’t discovered yet.

The cops suspected he may have switched bodies


85 posted on 02/08/2013 7:03:02 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Drago
Only Agents of the State should have arms.

The most important thing is that Agents of the State feel safe while on duty and get home safely to their families.

It's perfectly acceptable if a few or even many innocent citizens are injured or killed so that Agents of the State can feel safe while on duty and get home safely to their families.

86 posted on 02/08/2013 7:04:59 AM PST by barefoot_hiker
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To: Strategerist

Lots of references on this thread to a Nissan Titan. Not sure where that was coming from - either the press or the police. Or FReepers making it up.

Either way - it was not a Titan that was found burned. It was a Frontier.

FWIW.


87 posted on 02/08/2013 7:07:23 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Resolute Conservative; Yaelle

Are you talking about the police who try to muder innocent newspaper delivery people or are you talking about the former policeman. What the cops did in this case is attempted murder, period.


88 posted on 02/08/2013 7:09:12 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: 3Fingas
I said it before and I will say it again. Whenever people say only trained professionals should be armed because armed civilians will likely hurt themselves or innocent bystanders, I will remind them of this and other incidents like this one (NYC - Street Shootout where most bullets hit people other than the perp).

This, and the DEA agent who claimed to be the only one in the room qualified to handle a Glock. I will be saving these.

89 posted on 02/08/2013 7:11:13 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Not sure where that was coming from... It was a Frontier”

No links?


90 posted on 02/08/2013 7:11:13 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Ratman83

Yes. I merely made an observation about why the increase in observable presence, not rationalizing their criminal error.


91 posted on 02/08/2013 7:13:45 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Drago

I wonder - had the killer been in the truck, would he have died of a self-inflicted gunshot?


92 posted on 02/08/2013 7:17:19 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: deks

Sorry. The link in post 12....

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/07/us/lapd-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Having once owned a Nissan Frontier, I recognize one. Even a roasty toasty burned to a crisp one. Mine was an SE. That one was an LE. LE models had the roof rack on top.

Again FWIW.


93 posted on 02/08/2013 7:25:42 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

If this is how the police respond to a single gunman, what will they do when TSHTF, and they face forces that outnumber and outgun them? I suspect they will shed their uniforms and run.


94 posted on 02/08/2013 7:27:20 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Ok, but it is crimminal actions not error.


95 posted on 02/08/2013 7:30:25 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: SauronOfMordor

They will protect their own first, then they will see everone else as a threat. That is when some busybody knowitall chief or sheriff will just disarm citizens and “let the judge sort it out.”


96 posted on 02/08/2013 7:32:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Pontiac
"These cops a scared sh!tless and are shooting at anything that moves."

Well said. That about sums it up.

And these guys are supposed to be the 'pros', huh?

97 posted on 02/08/2013 7:45:29 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Ratman83

Error or action. Play on words. An error is an action and action could be or could not be an error. Either way, criminal.


98 posted on 02/08/2013 7:55:59 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Venturer

LAPD Press Release:

ATTENTION: Large, bald, black men with dark pickup trucks are advised to stay home until further notice. Do NOT exit your house, Do NOT start your vehicle. Remain inside until we determine it is safe.


99 posted on 02/08/2013 7:56:00 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

So the former cop just had an error when he killed three people. What the cops did and what former cop did was not an error.


100 posted on 02/08/2013 8:07:13 AM PST by Ratman83
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