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Obama administration embraces major new cut in nuclear weapons
Miami Herald ^ | 2/8/13 | Jeffrey Smith

Posted on 02/08/2013 5:03:03 AM PST by Monty22002

WASHINGTON -- Senior Obama administration officials have agreed that the number of nuclear warheads the U.S. military deploys could be cut by at least a third without harming national security, according to those involved in the deliberations.

Such a reduction would open the door to billions of dollars in military savings, which might ease the federal budget deficit. It also would improve prospects for a new arms deal with Russia before President Barack Obama leaves office, those involved said, but it’s likely to draw fire from conservatives, if previous debate on the issue is any guide.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: disarm; disarmament; disarmnuclearusa; disarmusa; flexibility; nationalsecurity; norks; northkorea; nuclear; nuclearfree; nuclearweapons; nukefree; nukes; obama; usnukes
Yeah, and the Russians and Chinese are rolling out new designs as we shut our stuff down. I'm sure they'll appreciate our efforts and lay down their arms.
1 posted on 02/08/2013 5:03:10 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Monty22002


What difference does it make?"


2 posted on 02/08/2013 5:08:58 AM PST by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Monty22002

I’m sure all these “savings” won’t fund the deficit for more than half a day. Obama thinks that we have no need of nuclear weapons.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 5:10:36 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Monty22002

I say No, No, No!


4 posted on 02/08/2013 5:11:58 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Monty22002

Billions in savings that could ease the budget deficit. First, you’ve got to have a budget. Second, anyone really believe they won’t just part themselves on the back for their “savings” then go blow that much or more on some dumb-a##ed big government socialist program?


5 posted on 02/08/2013 5:12:55 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Monty22002
Senior Obama administration officials have agreed

Nice they consulted WITH EACH OTHER ;)

6 posted on 02/08/2013 5:20:41 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Monty22002

Obama Administration = Utter FOOLS


7 posted on 02/08/2013 5:31:55 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Monty22002

If anyone thinks that voluntarily cutting our Nukes will impress the Russians to cut theirs they are a damned fool.


8 posted on 02/08/2013 5:36:30 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Monty22002

All the predictions in the movie “2016” are coming true


9 posted on 02/08/2013 5:47:34 AM PST by hillarynot (I play in Peoria)
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To: Venturer
If anyone thinks that voluntarily cutting our Nukes will impress the Russians to cut theirs they are a damned fool.

I wonder how many of theirs still work and would actually launch on command. Given the degraded condition of their military can their rockets be in any better shape?

10 posted on 02/08/2013 5:48:35 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: Monty22002

Good grief. THis man is making Jimmy Carter seem competent in comparison.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 5:52:20 AM PST by old and tired
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To: ThunderSleeps

That’s exactly what they will do — all the while the wolves will gather on the edge of light and wait for the flames to shutter...then pounce.

Every morning I ask myself - how did we get to this point in the US...and why would anyone want to take us here — it leads only to death and destruction...very depressing to see a vibrant nation being striped while everyone stares at pretty novelties....


12 posted on 02/08/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Monty22002
From the article:

"The results of the internal review haven’t been announced, but they’re reflected in a proposed classified directive prepared for Obama’s signature that details how U.S. nuclear weapons should be targeted against potential foes, according to four people with direct knowledge of the document’s content. The sources, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to talk to a reporter about the review, described the president as fully on board, but said he hasn’t signed the document."

My head just exploded.

I seriously don't know why I follow the news, the insufferable stupidity of this administration and the journalists who propagandize for them is driving me to an early grave.

13 posted on 02/08/2013 5:56:09 AM PST by RetroSexual
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To: Monty22002

These marxists will not stop until the USA is defenseless. Why don’t we just vote them out? That ought to work, right? It’s worked so well in the past.


14 posted on 02/08/2013 5:59:12 AM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: RetroSexual

“details how U.S. nuclear weapons should be targeted against potential foes”

I.e. they’re changing the targeting.


15 posted on 02/08/2013 6:03:54 AM PST by Justa
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To: Monty22002

Unilateral disarmament is a key in Obama’s planned destruction of America and her role in the world.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 6:05:05 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Monty22002; RetroSexual

Obama was reelected so now he has the “flexibility” he was talking about. Vlad got the message and now Obama is delivering. We can use the savings to fund Obamacare.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 6:06:17 AM PST by kabar
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To: Monty22002; onyx; NoGrayZone; cripplecreek; Cringing Negativism Network; MestaMachine
Communist Goals Number 1 2 3 and 4

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Remember Ubama's Friendship with the Communist Billy Ayers, which was the only thing I ever needed to know about his world view, Ubama is following the plan.

18 posted on 02/08/2013 6:09:13 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: RetroSexual
"I seriously don't know why I follow the news, the insufferable stupidity of this administration and the journalists who propagandize for them is driving me to an early grave."

They're not stupid. This is the plan. Their hatred of the US is all consuming and its destruction will be seen by them (if they live) as justice for an aggrieved world.

19 posted on 02/08/2013 6:17:59 AM PST by Truth29
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To: hillarynot

These predictions will one day come true, pray they dont come true here,

“The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail.” Jeremiah 50:43

“One post shall run to meet another, and one messenger to meet another, to shew the king of Babylon that his city is taken at one end, And that the passages are stopped, and the reeds they have burned with fire, and the men of war are affrighted. For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.” Jeremiah 51:31-33


20 posted on 02/08/2013 6:20:28 AM PST by captmar-vell
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To: Monty22002
I have been wondering why he has not brought this up yet. We all knew he would eventually get around to the subject of a nuke free world (as it applies only to the USA of course).

Obama Vows to Disarm America May 30, 2008

2007 OBAMA: As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus for Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington. First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning -- and as president, I will end it. Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems, and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material, and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals. You know where I stand.

This is why he whispered in Medeved's ear that Russia should wait patiently for King Obama's second term to really see what is coming.

America is over, make plans accordingly.
21 posted on 02/08/2013 6:22:31 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Monty22002

Even North Korea is about to test a mobile ICBM and they are posting videos about destroying us with it.

To hell with “conservatives”, Americans need to fight back against the left. They will get us killed, that’s what they do.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 6:40:29 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: BCW

>how did we get to this point in the US

By allowing (comparative) trivial issues to divide the GOP and allow the truly evil party to take control.


23 posted on 02/08/2013 6:41:48 AM PST by soycd
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To: Monty22002

Yeah, how convenient, with sequestration right around the corner. Smacks of desperation just like every other maneuver this clown tries.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 6:47:09 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Monty22002

this strategic assessment is brought to you by the same same great academic brains that have brought you TARP, porkulous, Fast and Furious, cash for clunkers, obamacare, Benghazigate, do ask do tell, and the US economy for the past 5 years

Say, shouldn’t countries like Iran and North Korea have to undergo background checks to get a nuke?


25 posted on 02/08/2013 6:49:34 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Monty22002

Such a reduction would open the door to billions of dollars in military savings, which might ease the federal budget deficit.


Bull crap!!! It will do NOTHING to ease the deficit. The libs will simply pour the savings into new spending programs.


26 posted on 02/08/2013 6:59:32 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: Monty22002

I didn’t think we had any nukes left. How many do we have left? Five?


27 posted on 02/08/2013 7:01:49 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: Cheerio
"I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert"

Our ICBMs have been off "hair trigger alert" since 1994:

United States – Russia mutual detargeting

Currently, Minuteman III ICBMs and Trident SLBMs either have no target in their guidance system, or open ocean targets. This forces the additional step of having to enter or select a target prior to launch. However, some systems have the capability to being retargeted in flight.

I'm not really sure what other steps can be taken. We did end the alert status of the Minuteman II ICBM force in 1991, and later did the same for the Peacekeeper ICBMs. But both of these actions were taken because both of these systems were being decomissioned as part of arms control agreements. During that time, Missile Operations Officers still went to their control capsules and Missile Security crews still went out to the sites in order to keep the systems secure.

If we want to take them "off alert", I am not sure what else would be done. Perhaps powering down the guidance systems, but all of the other monitoring will need to stay up and operational for nuclear surety.

If Obama wanted to remove the warheads from the missiles and move them to storage (like you would when you take a bomber off of nuclear alert), that would effectively end any reason to have an ICBM force. Moving a nuclear weapon a half a mile from a bunker to a bomber alert pad is one thing, moving a nuclear weapon 20 miles across open roads to an ICBM silo is a major undertaking.

Realize when Obama said this incredibly ignorant statement, he was a sitting senator. He was believing crazy leftists talking points more than his own country's defense policies.

28 posted on 02/08/2013 7:04:10 AM PST by magellan
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To: Monty22002
flexibility
29 posted on 02/08/2013 7:43:34 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: All

One of the big warnings from Trevor Loudon is Obama’s main goal is cutting defense. Wrecking the economy, ‘income redistribution,’ the class warfare, etc is ‘important’ to him, but it all relates to the main goal of gutting our military and making us vulnerable. Then, in 2016, (as I understand Loudon) he is afraid Russia and China will band together and make the decision to possibly attack as we’ll be at our lowest defense capability ever in recent history - (assuming a Republican candidate promises to ‘rebuild the military, etc.’). More worries because of the LoFos. . I’m still trying to get over the election. . .


30 posted on 02/08/2013 7:45:25 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Monty22002
The Miami Herald has just reprinted an Obama Administration press release (PR):

Senior Obama administration officials have agreed that the number of nuclear warheads the U.S. military deploys could be cut by at least a third without harming national security, according to those involved in the deliberations.

It essentially said that a group of people appointed by and serving at the whim of Obama decided among themselves and in accordance with Obama that they agreed with his stance on cutting nuclear warheads.

The "savings" angle is laughable, so much so I'm crying. If their lips are moving they're lying.

31 posted on 02/08/2013 8:01:35 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Justa
“details how U.S. nuclear weapons should be targeted against potential foes”

I.e. they’re changing the targeting.

Probably targeting red states in "flyover country" with them now.

32 posted on 02/08/2013 8:11:32 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: chessplayer
I didn’t think we had any nukes left. How many do we have left? Five?

Nobody needs more than 10 nukes. Why does anybody need more than that to kill a deer?

33 posted on 02/08/2013 8:19:19 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: unixfox

One nuke, ballgame over.

Look what two 767s did to downtown Manhattan.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 8:32:27 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Art in Idaho

Ya know, it wasn’t that long ago that entertaining such thoughts was the stuff of the tinfoil hat crowd, not so today, we don’t have to be even remotely paranoid to believe our president is knowingly working against our own security interests or that our enemies are becoming more emboldened ala neville chamberlain,

I’ll repeat something I’ve posted before just because i think it interesting and related to this topic, I’m not predicting anything, so ignore as you like,

Babylon was given 70 years to the very day to be the preeminent world power in the Earth and in relation to its treatment of Israel, (see Daniel Chapter 5)

I discovered awhile back that 70 years after the United States used the first Atomic bomb in war, August 6th, 1945, and rising (I conjecture) to be the ultimate national power on the Earth on that very day,

That it’s exactly 25200 (70 years X 360 days) to the day counting to the 9th of AV in August of 2014.

What does that mean? I don’t know, but if it means anything it cant be good, (Tisha B’Av as it relates to Israel has always been a day of darkness, mourning and destruction)

We couldn’t find a better anti-Israel person to be in the role of Belshazzar, or even leopard king Nimrod,

“The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” Ecclesiastes 1:9


35 posted on 02/08/2013 8:42:50 AM PST by captmar-vell
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To: Diogenesis

Notice the Beast does not have a wedding ring on in that photo. Bill must have pawned it.


36 posted on 02/08/2013 8:48:19 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: Colorado Doug

“Probably targeting red states in “flyover country” with them now.”

Israel too.


37 posted on 02/08/2013 9:13:59 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Monty22002

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So what will Obama do with any “alleged savings”?

Introducing:

CASH FOR JUNKIES

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38 posted on 02/08/2013 9:17:36 AM PST by devolve ( -------- ------ --It's not where Obama was born that's the problem - it's where he's living now--)
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To: hillarynot

How about the first few chapters of “Left Behind” ?......


39 posted on 02/08/2013 9:31:13 AM PST by mickeylee
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To: Monty22002

Round 2.

Round 1 was 2011:

“The New START Treaty responsibly reduces the number of nuclear weapons and launchers that the United States and Russia deploy, while fully maintaining America’s nuclear deterrent.” – President Barack Obama

Treaty Structure: The Treaty between the United States of America and the Russian Federation on Measures for the Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms also known as the New START Treaty.

Strategic Offensive Reductions: Under the Treaty, the U.S. and Russia must meet the Treaty’s central limits on strategic arms by February 5, 2018; seven years from the date the Treaty entered into force. Each Party has the flexibility to determine for itself the structure of its strategic forces within the aggregate limits of the Treaty. These limits are based on the rigorous analysis conducted by Department of Defense planners in support of the 2010 Nuclear Posture Review.

Aggregate limits:

1,550 warheads. Warheads on deployed ICBMs and deployed SLBMs count toward this limit and each deployed heavy bomber equipped for nuclear armaments counts as one warhead toward this limit.

A combined limit of 800 deployed and non-deployed ICBM launchers, SLBM launchers, and heavy bombers equipped for nuclear armaments.

A separate limit of 700 deployed ICBMs, deployed SLBMs, and deployed heavy bombers equipped for nuclear armaments.

Verification and Transparency: The Treaty has a verification regime that combines the appropriate elements of the 1991 START Treaty with new elements tailored to the limitations of the Treaty. Measures under the Treaty include on-site inspections and exhibitions, data exchanges and notifications related to strategic offensive arms and facilities covered by the Treaty, and provisions to facilitate the use of national technical means for treaty monitoring. To increase confidence and transparency, the Treaty also provides for the exchange of telemetry.

Treaty Terms: The Treaty’s duration is ten years, unless superseded by a subsequent agreement. The Parties may agree to extend the Treaty for a period of no more than five years. The Treaty includes a withdrawal clause that is standard in arms control agreements. The 2002 Moscow Treaty terminated when the New START Treaty entered into force.

No Constraints on Missile Defense and Conventional Strike: The Treaty does not contain any constraints on testing, development or deployment of current or planned U.S. missile defense programs or long-range conventional strike capabilities.

http://www.state.gov/t/avc/newstart/index.htm


40 posted on 02/08/2013 9:35:22 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: chessplayer
I didn’t think we had any nukes left. How many do we have left? Five? ...

Nonsense. We have plenty of nukes, probably as much as the number of ingots in Fort Knox.

41 posted on 02/08/2013 10:14:58 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: captmar-vell
Ya know, it wasn’t that long ago that entertaining such thoughts was the stuff of the tinfoil hat crowd, not so today, we don’t have to be even remotely paranoid to believe our president is knowingly working against our own security interests or that our enemies are becoming more emboldened ala neville chamberlain.

Interesting analysis. We'll see how it plays out. A agree with you that I never thought this stuff before with previous presidents. There's no other way to say it, what Obama does is anti-American. He talks a good line, but his decisions all boil down to anti-Constitutional, anti-capitalist and anti-American.

Even this whole pop culture thing - the music, "entertainment", celebs, the MSM mind numbing diversions - all intended to keep the sheeple in line while he does his dirty work. Are there any congress or military guys left in Washington D.C. that are willing to take a stand? The Pentagon? Media? C'mon guys, the country is dying right before our eyes. Millions of us out here are fraught with worry that our country may be on the road to its planned destruction. This is tinfoil not. It's Obama's actions consistent with his grooming. Help!


42 posted on 02/08/2013 10:31:17 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Monty22002

I suspect there is an escape clause in obamacare that reads that in the event of war you are not covered.


43 posted on 02/08/2013 5:09:05 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: Monty22002
From "45 Communist Goals", as per "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

'Goals' 4-45 can be found here:
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

44 posted on 02/08/2013 7:09:46 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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>> Senior Obama administration officials have agreed

Well, that’s reassuring.


45 posted on 02/08/2013 7:38:45 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Monty22002

Nukes ain’t cheap and grandma’s free pills (thanks Dubya) don’t grow on trees. Folks on FR need to make a tough choice - entitlements or the defense industry’s every wish.


46 posted on 02/09/2013 6:36:50 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Monty22002

He’ll ‘have more flexibility after the election’.

To weaken America further.

Thanks, idiot liberal traitors.

Thanks a lot.

Thanks for nothing.

Thanks for destroying America, where we all have to live /you idiots


47 posted on 02/10/2013 1:12:17 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: captmar-vell

Indeed.

By the time it occurs, it will be too late.

Just as those passages show.


48 posted on 02/10/2013 1:13:46 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: hillarynot

“All the predictions in the movie “2016” are coming true”

They are. I remember that map showing the nuclear arsenal decreasing for the US until we no longer out number ANYONE. These people know exactly what they are doing contrary to the posts of many on this thread. It’s an intentional dis-arming of the United States OF America. Every position he attempts to fill is with an anti-American politician. You don’t have to do your research anymore, it’s a given if he appoints someone, they have been vetted according to his agenda.


49 posted on 02/10/2013 6:24:14 PM PST by selfdefense
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