Skip to comments.Background Checks Can Easily be Used to Deny Honest Gun Owners
Posted on 02/08/2013 6:11:56 AM PST by EXCH54FE
In 2008, WalMart caved in to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and his fraudulently-named Mayors Against Illegal Guns. In the process, it agreed to a ten-point agenda pushed by Bloomberg.
In particular, point #9 prohibits firearms sales to purchasers who have not received an affirmative go-ahead at the end of the NICS checks three-day waiting period.
In other words, if the FBI gives a yellow light -- perhaps, because a gun buyer is unlucky enough to have the same name as someone in the NICS system -- then WalMart was essentially saying it would not sell the firearm, even though federal law specifically allows the sale to proceed.
This three-day provision was inserted into federal law to prevent federal bureaucrats from illegitimately denying millions of gun buyers -- simply by its refusal to take a position. Some gun dealers choose not to sell a firearm after the three-day limit. Others dont.
The result is that many law-abiding gun owners cant purchase firearms, not because the FBI has disapproved them, but because it has refused to answer yes or no.
Its actions like this which can fundamentally transform the Brady Act, making it so that a whole lot of law-abiding gun owners arent able to purchase guns.
And we bet that the FBI will be giving a lot fewer green-lights in the future, particularly if universal background checks are enacted.
(Excerpt) Read more at gunowners.org ...
The background check for my Mosin took 4 days, which sucked because I bought it in another town.
Obama and the leftists goal is to have a national database on every gun owner.
Nazi Gun Control
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.”
—Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.
Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)
Classified guns for “sporting purposes”.
All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.
As well as arm those who shouldnt have guns. In short the FBI/ATF are corrupt criminal organizations that do the bidding of their masters, the pols.
To me a background check is the same as registration.
“...NICS three day waiting period. “
National InstaCheck System—it’s the check that is instant, not the go ahead to purchase.
I can hear the rhetoric now: “Just because someone has no criminal background doesn’t mean that he won’t misuse the weapon. Why else would he want it? So, we can’t approve ( or disapprove).” PURCHASE DELAYED (indefinitely)
These evil master controllers must be removed.
Hmmm...no background checks so criminals can get jobs in hospitals, banks, schools, senior home, etc...
BUT background checks to take guns from honest citizens?
Did I get that right?
Which is why we need a national DNA registration database for all men. Since men are equipped with a penis, and just because a man has no criminal background doesn't mean he won't rape a woman in the future. The simple possession of a penis MUST be enough to register the man as a potential rapist.
Of course, we also know that prostitution is a crime in most of the USA, and since women are equipped with vaginas, and just because a woman has no criminal background doesn't mean that she someday won't become a prostitute. Therefore, we also need to register the DNA of all women, as potential, future prostitutes.
My last two background checks took 30 mins and about 10 mins. The longer one was due to the 15 people in front of me.
Florida does some things well.
This truly does mirror Nazi Germany where citizens were denied the right to own a gun if the government deemed them, “untrustworthy”.
Does anyone trust the government to not use the information supplied in background checks to create a national database of firearms owners?
The pols, for the most part, aren’t the real masters. The king makers’ who put the pols in their positions are where the real power lies.
A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie. Vladimir Lenin
Universal Registration Controls are unconstitutional on three basis:
1].They are outside the purview of intestate commerce as defined in the enumerated powers.
2].They are a Prior restraint on exercising the 2nd amendment.
3]. AND they infringe on the 2nd amendment.
Universal Registration Controls would have you cede government control over your personal property and if you dont think that is ripe for abuse, you havent been paying attention.
There is no way to enforce these new background check controls without registration and registration is essentially confiscation its the government requiring you to get their Permission in order for you to practice one of your Constitutional rights.
A government that knows what you have WILL eventually take what you have. Right now their goal is to take ALL of your money.
Obama’s Puppet Liberal Agenda Media has two Rules:
1.) ALWAYS support Obama.
2.) ALWAYS follow Rule Number 1.
Full disclosure: Obama is grooming himself to be the Dictator for life of America.
It is the same for all practical purposes. If you're approved after the background check the gun dealer's record of that sale, which includes make, model, and serial number of the gun, are kept by BATF for 20 years. During the first Clinton term I was told by an agent at the Tampa BATF regional office that the gun dealer's sales records, which have the buyer's names recorded, are stored in an underground facility in WV. But I'm pretty sure that by now all those records are computerized and are instantly available to the feds. In other words, gun registration by another name.
I can see an eventual Catch 22 scenario regarding the background check.
If you want a gun, you must be mentally unbalanced and therefore we will deny you access to a gun.
If you don’t want a gun, you must be OK and we won’t have to allow you to have a gun.
It is exactly for this reason that we have the Constitution.
I think there will be too much red tape involved for the government to bother with this approach when applicants fail a background check.
There could be court challenges, extended litigation, etc.
Obama will just have Bitter-Clingers vaporized with drone missiles.
Dead men file no law suits.
“My last two background checks took 30 mins and about 10 mins. The longer one was due to the 15 people in front of me.”
Thats why I like my Texas CHL. Walk in the door. Fill out the paperwork and show my CHL, pay and then walk out the door. Makes impulse buying easy!!!
I think the CCW should be like a drivers license. Take whatever courses they deem necessasy for gun ownership and get your license.
Since you will be licensed if the cops charge you for ant thing they would be able to access your license and revoke, suspend or whatever.
If you want to purchase a gun, show your license. They should make it where the gun store can check your license for any infractions without it generating a record. Most states allow you to check your own driving record.
If you have anything negative on your license, sale denied. The license should be good in all states just like a drivers license. I do realize that this makes too much sense.
Of course not. When it would be so easy to build a background-check system that's PROVABLY anonymous to those being checked, and they chose not to do that, what else could be their intent but to compile a [illegal] database?
Another point not yet mentioned is that background checks provide a means by which the government can effectively deny people's right to keep and bear arms without them being accused--much less convicted--of having committed any crime, and without any demonstration of mental incapacity. Such a concern is not merely a hypothetical; the government already does deny some people's rights without due process, and some congresscritters have called upon it to do more.
Excellent point. A perfect avenue for deprivation of civil rights without due process.