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Background Checks Can Easily be Used to Deny Honest Gun Owners
Gun Owners ^ | Feb 6, 2013 | Erich Pratt

Posted on 02/08/2013 6:11:56 AM PST by EXCH54FE

In 2008, WalMart caved in to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and his fraudulently-named Mayors Against Illegal Guns. In the process, it agreed to a ten-point agenda pushed by Bloomberg.

In particular, point #9 prohibits firearms sales to purchasers who have not received an affirmative go-ahead at the end of the NICS check’s three-day waiting period.

In other words, if the FBI gives a “yellow light” -- perhaps, because a gun buyer is unlucky enough to have the same name as someone in the NICS system -- then WalMart was essentially saying it would not sell the firearm, even though federal law specifically allows the sale to proceed.

This three-day provision was inserted into federal law to prevent federal bureaucrats from illegitimately denying millions of gun buyers -- simply by its refusal to take a position. Some gun dealers choose not to sell a firearm after the three-day limit. Others don’t.

The result is that many law-abiding gun owners can’t purchase firearms, not because the FBI has disapproved them, but because it has refused to answer “yes” or “no.”

It’s actions like this which can fundamentally transform the Brady Act, making it so that a whole lot of law-abiding gun owners aren’t able to purchase guns.

And we bet that the FBI will be giving a lot fewer green-lights in the future, particularly if universal background checks are enacted.

(Excerpt) Read more at gunowners.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 02/08/2013 6:12:00 AM PST by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

Surprise! Surprise!


2 posted on 02/08/2013 6:15:00 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: EXCH54FE
"...shall not be infringed."
3 posted on 02/08/2013 6:16:35 AM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: EXCH54FE

The background check for my Mosin took 4 days, which sucked because I bought it in another town.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 6:17:39 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Obama and the leftists goal is to have a national database on every gun owner.

Nazi Gun Control

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.”

—Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.

Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

Classified guns for “sporting purposes”.
All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html


5 posted on 02/08/2013 6:18:04 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: EXCH54FE

As well as arm those who shouldnt have guns. In short the FBI/ATF are corrupt criminal organizations that do the bidding of their masters, the pols.


6 posted on 02/08/2013 6:20:05 AM PST by 556x45
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To: BipolarBob

To me a background check is the same as registration.


7 posted on 02/08/2013 6:25:33 AM PST by USAF80
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To: EXCH54FE

“...NICS three day waiting period. “

National InstaCheck System—it’s the check that is instant, not the go ahead to purchase.

I can hear the rhetoric now: “Just because someone has no criminal background doesn’t mean that he won’t misuse the weapon. Why else would he want it? So, we can’t approve ( or disapprove).” PURCHASE DELAYED (indefinitely)

These evil master controllers must be removed.


8 posted on 02/08/2013 6:27:23 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: EXCH54FE

Hmmm...no background checks so criminals can get jobs in hospitals, banks, schools, senior home, etc...

BUT background checks to take guns from honest citizens?

Did I get that right?


9 posted on 02/08/2013 6:35:39 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: nonsporting
“Just because someone has no criminal background doesn’t mean that he won’t misuse the weapon. Why else would he want it? So, we can’t approve ( or disapprove).”

Which is why we need a national DNA registration database for all men. Since men are equipped with a penis, and just because a man has no criminal background doesn't mean he won't rape a woman in the future. The simple possession of a penis MUST be enough to register the man as a potential rapist.

Of course, we also know that prostitution is a crime in most of the USA, and since women are equipped with vaginas, and just because a woman has no criminal background doesn't mean that she someday won't become a prostitute. Therefore, we also need to register the DNA of all women, as potential, future prostitutes.

Mark

10 posted on 02/08/2013 6:45:56 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: AppyPappy

My last two background checks took 30 mins and about 10 mins. The longer one was due to the 15 people in front of me.

Florida does some things well.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 6:54:38 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EXCH54FE

This truly does mirror Nazi Germany where citizens were denied the right to own a gun if the government deemed them, “untrustworthy”.


12 posted on 02/08/2013 6:58:11 AM PST by South40
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To: EXCH54FE

Does anyone trust the government to not use the information supplied in background checks to create a national database of firearms owners?


13 posted on 02/08/2013 7:00:29 AM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: 556x45

The pols, for the most part, aren’t the real masters. The king makers’ who put the pols in their positions are where the real power lies.


14 posted on 02/08/2013 7:05:26 AM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: EXCH54FE

“A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.” Vladimir Lenin


Just remember a couple of Key Facts:

Universal Registration Controls are unconstitutional on three basis:

1].They are outside the purview of ‘intestate’ commerce as defined in the enumerated powers.

2].They are a Prior restraint on exercising the 2nd amendment.

3]. AND they infringe on the 2nd amendment.

Universal Registration Controls would have you cede government control over your personal property – and if you don’t think that is ripe for abuse, you haven’t been paying attention.

There is no way to enforce these new “background check” controls without registration and registration is essentially confiscation – it’s the government requiring you to get their Permission in order for you to practice one of your Constitutional rights.


15 posted on 02/08/2013 7:05:34 AM PST by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: EXCH54FE

A government that knows what you have WILL eventually take what you have. Right now their goal is to take ALL of your money.

Obama’s Puppet Liberal Agenda Media has two Rules:
1.) ALWAYS support Obama.
2.) ALWAYS follow Rule Number 1.

Full disclosure: Obama is grooming himself to be the Dictator for life of America.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 7:06:52 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: USAF80
To me a background check is the same as registration

It is the same for all practical purposes. If you're approved after the background check the gun dealer's record of that sale, which includes make, model, and serial number of the gun, are kept by BATF for 20 years. During the first Clinton term I was told by an agent at the Tampa BATF regional office that the gun dealer's sales records, which have the buyer's names recorded, are stored in an underground facility in WV. But I'm pretty sure that by now all those records are computerized and are instantly available to the feds. In other words, gun registration by another name.

17 posted on 02/08/2013 7:10:47 AM PST by epow (The way of the cross leads home)
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To: EXCH54FE

I can see an eventual Catch 22 scenario regarding the background check.

If you want a gun, you must be mentally unbalanced and therefore we will deny you access to a gun.

If you don’t want a gun, you must be OK and we won’t have to allow you to have a gun.


18 posted on 02/08/2013 7:18:34 AM PST by super7man
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To: EXCH54FE
Any power any government has WILL be abused.

It is exactly for this reason that we have the Constitution.

19 posted on 02/08/2013 7:46:09 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: EXCH54FE

I think there will be too much red tape involved for the government to bother with this approach when applicants fail a background check.

There could be court challenges, extended litigation, etc.

Obama will just have Bitter-Clingers vaporized with drone missiles.

Dead men file no law suits.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 8:28:59 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: driftdiver

“My last two background checks took 30 mins and about 10 mins. The longer one was due to the 15 people in front of me.”

Thats why I like my Texas CHL. Walk in the door. Fill out the paperwork and show my CHL, pay and then walk out the door. Makes impulse buying easy!!!


21 posted on 02/08/2013 8:37:32 AM PST by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: Syntyr

I think the CCW should be like a drivers license. Take whatever courses they deem necessasy for gun ownership and get your license.

Since you will be licensed if the cops charge you for ant thing they would be able to access your license and revoke, suspend or whatever.

If you want to purchase a gun, show your license. They should make it where the gun store can check your license for any infractions without it generating a record. Most states allow you to check your own driving record.

If you have anything negative on your license, sale denied. The license should be good in all states just like a drivers license. I do realize that this makes too much sense.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 9:56:23 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Grandma Conservative
Does anyone trust the government to not use the information supplied in background checks to create a national database of firearms owners?

Of course not. When it would be so easy to build a background-check system that's PROVABLY anonymous to those being checked, and they chose not to do that, what else could be their intent but to compile a [illegal] database?

23 posted on 02/08/2013 10:49:07 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
Of course not. When it would be so easy to build a background-check system that's PROVABLY anonymous to those being checked, and they chose not to do that, what else could be their intent but to compile a [illegal] database?

Another point not yet mentioned is that background checks provide a means by which the government can effectively deny people's right to keep and bear arms without them being accused--much less convicted--of having committed any crime, and without any demonstration of mental incapacity. Such a concern is not merely a hypothetical; the government already does deny some people's rights without due process, and some congresscritters have called upon it to do more.

24 posted on 02/08/2013 4:03:18 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: supercat

Excellent point. A perfect avenue for deprivation of civil rights without due process.


25 posted on 02/08/2013 4:14:51 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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