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Aviation experts say new Iranian stealth jet is a pathetic hoax that canít even fly
New York Post ^ | February 8, 2013 | Andy Soltis

Posted on 02/08/2013 7:59:22 AM PST by Zakeet

From the loony regime that just figured how to shoot a monkey into space: Iran now claims it has its own homemade, radar-beating stealth fighter jet.

But aviation and defense experts say the tiny one-seater looks like a toy and might not even be able to fly — calling it a “laughable fake.”

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad unveiled the Qaher F313 at a Tehran hangar last week and called it “one of the most advanced” aircraft in the world.

But the experts said it was too small for a human pilot — and the controls and wiring looked too simple for a real jet.

Ahmadinejad boasted it had “almost all the positive features” of the world’s most sophisticated jets. But among the features that seem to be missing are bolts and rivets — found on the simplest planes.

“It looks like the Iranians dumped some rudimentary flight controls and an ejection seat into a shell molded in what they thought were stealthy angles,” reporter John Reed wrote in the journal Foreign Policy.

“It looks like it might make a noise and vibrate if you put 20 cents in,” joked Andrew Davies of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraft; iran; military; stealth
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We intellectually superior Persians discovered stealth aircraft centuries before you stupid decadent Christians had even thought of it

1 posted on 02/08/2013 7:59:34 AM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Is this like their “stealth boats” from a few years back?


2 posted on 02/08/2013 8:01:29 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Zakeet

It does fly, it is just so stealthy that no one can see it flying.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 8:04:34 AM PST by Hang'emAll (If guns kill people do pencils make spelling errors.)
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To: Darksheare
Kinda looks like fiberglass.

With a few of those "mat & resin" boat repair kits and the contents of my "dead computer junk" closet I bet I could make one too.

4 posted on 02/08/2013 8:09:42 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: Zakeet

This reminded me of something I read where the Iranian ATC challenged a Marine Jet for violating their air space and said they were going to send their Jets to attack him and he replied go ahead I’ll wait.


5 posted on 02/08/2013 8:11:13 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Zakeet

That canopy looks like it was hammered out of a piece of clear acrylic with a ball peen hammer over a rock.


6 posted on 02/08/2013 8:12:30 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: humblegunner
Curious that the stencils are in English.
7 posted on 02/08/2013 8:15:49 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: humblegunner

Is it SOP in Iran to label things in English? The 313 is carrying English labels in the photograph. No Farsi?


8 posted on 02/08/2013 8:17:22 AM PST by stboz
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To: humblegunner

Interesting that all the warnings and labels are in English? I thought they hated everything about us?

Subcontractors from the US? Works or not, treason, in one word.


9 posted on 02/08/2013 8:18:44 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Zakeet
I don't know. I find Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s claim that they have built a new state of the art stealth fighter as believable as American President Broncho Bamma’s claim to “do skeets shooting all the time”.
10 posted on 02/08/2013 8:18:44 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Zakeet
C’mon! It would be hilarious if the international body went with the hoax, pretending it could fly stealthily.

Then turn it into an Aerial Paint Ball Target. Think what fun our flyboys (sorry, aviation pilots) would enjoy that.

11 posted on 02/08/2013 8:19:10 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Zakeet
But the experts said it was too small for a human pilot

Excuse me, have already forgotten about the monkey? Does nobody remember "Wargames"? Harrumph!

12 posted on 02/08/2013 8:21:41 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Zakeet
"“It looks like it might make a noise and vibrate if you put 20 cents in,” "

OK that made me LOL

13 posted on 02/08/2013 8:22:06 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: stboz
The 313 is carrying English labels in the photograph. No Farsi?

Nice catch & a great question.

14 posted on 02/08/2013 8:22:06 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Anyone ever seen a photo if this so-called “stealth fughter” actually flying. Better yet, flying next to a real airplane?


15 posted on 02/08/2013 8:22:34 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Hang'emAll
It does fly, it is just so stealthy that no one can see it flying.

It evades radar by never leaving the hangar.

16 posted on 02/08/2013 8:25:31 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Zakeet

Why don’t they build a better transport than the American Boeing 747-SP Achmadinijad flies around in?


17 posted on 02/08/2013 8:25:43 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Zakeet

Reminds me of the BBC James May Toy Stories where in one show they made full size model of a Spitfire just like it came out of a Lindberg model kit.


18 posted on 02/08/2013 8:26:04 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: ZX12R

One can’t help but notice that the ejection seat is
somewhat short too, sure wouldn’t want to have to
ride that through the canopy.

You know it’s tough when the “President” of the
country has to take part in a hoax of this stature.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 8:26:14 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: humblegunner

It’s fiberglass, you can tell by the flow lines along the surface. No way that thing could even be a prototype, it looks similar to a clay mockup the design team constructed like we do for cars.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 8:26:50 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: humblegunner
With a few of those "mat & resin" boat repair kits and the contents of my "dead computer junk" closet I bet I could make one too.

That gray box sticking out of the instrument panel might be one of your old CD-ROM drives; better go check.

21 posted on 02/08/2013 8:28:27 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: tet68

Just one more thing.

If the canopy is OPEN, why is the cylinder still
retracted? No piston rod showing!
It probably just hangs there.

Also air intakes impossibly small.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 8:31:05 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Abathar

It looks like the canopy is surrounded by duct tape to seal it to the fuselage.


23 posted on 02/08/2013 8:31:28 AM PST by Never on my watch (GALT)
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To: Zakeet
More pics of the Quahar F-313:






24 posted on 02/08/2013 8:36:12 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Zakeet
Looks real, heh heh.

Those engine inlets look like painted cardboard and with them on the bottom, doesn't it lower its stealth capacity by having the fan blades on the bottom?

Nice canopy, a little out of proportion.

25 posted on 02/08/2013 8:37:08 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Zakeet

Don’t sleep on the Iranians. They have kept their F14s flying despite not getting any US support.

They also have the record for the lowest altitude mid-air refueling during combat.


26 posted on 02/08/2013 8:37:23 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Some things are universal. The Saudi and Kuwaiti airforce uses all english stencils and maintenance manuals.

I have been on Russian aircraft and I could understand all the equipment writings.

The external power plug on Russian and US made aircraft is exactly the same. The voltages are different though.


27 posted on 02/08/2013 8:41:41 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Alex Murphy

Looks like a Kenwood cassette stereo in the instrument panel.


28 posted on 02/08/2013 8:44:38 AM PST by manic4organic (It was nice knowing you, America.)
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To: Lx
The red things are the (ridiculously small) "engine" (Really? Is there an engine?) inlets.

They kinda got that sorta right ...

29 posted on 02/08/2013 8:44:53 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: tet68

Yes...heh, I don’t see any of those “hammers on both sides of the headrest that would take care of the canopy, soooo...they must blow the canopy first.

Riiiiiiighhhht...:)

I am sure we are giving them too much credit by even entertaining this...


30 posted on 02/08/2013 8:48:50 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Zakeet
Pretty bad imitation...

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IRAN_F313 FAKE1

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jmho....

31 posted on 02/08/2013 8:51:29 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The “red things” are inlet covers. They keep stuff out of the intakes. They are mostly used on fighter type aircraft. Same same for the one on the exhauset.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 8:53:04 AM PST by USAF80
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To: tet68

***You know it’s tough when the “President” of the
country has to take part in a hoax of this stature.***

LOL Have you not noticed that we have the same problem here in the good ole USA?


33 posted on 02/08/2013 8:55:42 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: USAF80
The “red things” are inlet covers.

Ummmm ...

Yes. I got that.

The other fellow seemed to think that the "engine inlets" were on the bottom of the "aircraft".

As you can see, I strongly suspect that thing of being a stage-prop.

And yes, I get your point about the Iranians being able to operate aircraft. That's a different skill set and a different industrial and engineering base from designing and building aircraft.

34 posted on 02/08/2013 8:57:31 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: humblegunner

Must be fly-by-instruments only. You can’t see through the canopy.


35 posted on 02/08/2013 8:58:33 AM PST by ryan71
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To: Alex Murphy

ROTFLMAO!!!!

How in the world does that canopy seal out wind and pressurize the cabin? BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!


36 posted on 02/08/2013 9:01:02 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: Zakeet

Look at the back of that thing. I’ll bet it’s powered by an Evinrude outboard motor.


37 posted on 02/08/2013 9:01:45 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Alex Murphy

Plus the bottom looks like it would make a pretty good ski boat!


38 posted on 02/08/2013 9:02:38 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: ryan71

Akmangetajob talking to his reporters. Look, there it goes again. Didn’t you see it. I told you it was an advanced stealth fighter.


39 posted on 02/08/2013 9:02:46 AM PST by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: Zakeet

The two rear photos aren’t even of the same piece of equipment.


40 posted on 02/08/2013 9:04:51 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: manic4organic
Looks like a Kenwood cassette stereo in the instrument panel.

Bottom-center on the dash? Awesome. Me, I'm totally digging that sawed-off 90s-era PC joystick, duct-taped to what appears to be a 1" plumbing pipe, and the rubber square tacked to the flooring. That, and I love the backside view of the fiberglass exterior.


41 posted on 02/08/2013 9:05:43 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Please look at the walls of the room in the photos. There isn’t even a door big enough to roll the “fighter” through to the outside world! I guess he’ll just have to blast his way out with one of those nifty rockets under his wings...wait a minute....! No racks. No rockets. No brains.


42 posted on 02/08/2013 9:05:52 AM PST by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Please look at the walls of the room in the photos. There isn’t even a door big enough to roll the “fighter” through to the outside world! I guess he’ll just have to blast his way out with one of those nifty rockets under his wings...wait a minute....! No racks. No rockets. No brains.


43 posted on 02/08/2013 9:06:13 AM PST by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Looking at the vid I don’t see any intakes on the bottom. Looks like these intakes would not work at high angles of attack anyway.

This is probably just a model. A lot of countries will do that but make a 1/3 scale that shows all the pieces.

They may not have the ability to make this but they can buy it.


44 posted on 02/08/2013 9:06:13 AM PST by USAF80
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To: ArrogantBustard

Please look at the walls of the room in the photos. There isn’t even a door big enough to roll the “fighter” through to the outside world! I guess he’ll just have to blast his way out with one of those nifty rockets under his wings...wait a minute....! No racks. No rockets. No brains.


45 posted on 02/08/2013 9:06:25 AM PST by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: Zakeet; All
Hmmm...

They could have bought one of these from Greece and it actually flies !!!!

basically a Fat Ultralight, with a Rotax 503 ( about 50 hp) 2 stroke in a semi-duct with a full sized prop.

Seriously, on the F-313, the wing is way to thick, the down-turned tips are problematic, and the air inlets on top are a no-no. Only the F117 and the B-2 pulled it off, for other reasons...

46 posted on 02/08/2013 9:11:42 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: humblegunner

My first question upon seeing that picture is why are all the warning labels written in English instead of Farsi?


47 posted on 02/08/2013 9:14:50 AM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I didn’t see the pics posted before mine which has a view of the top and they do look like engine inlets. But for what kind of engines? A Cox .049?

It appears to have only one engine so maybe the ports aren’t too small but the only thing to compare them with are the plane which is clearly not a full scale mockup.

Did they take the real looking bits out of the F-14s they had from the Shah’s time?


48 posted on 02/08/2013 9:15:56 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: USAF80
Looks like these intakes would not work at high angles of attack anyway.

They'll be sucking vacuum ...

49 posted on 02/08/2013 9:18:58 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Lx
Did they take the real looking bits out of the F-14s they had from the Shah’s time?

No ... they're actually still flying their Tomcats.

We're not flying ours.

Makes me proud to be an American ...

(I know ... we wore 'em out. Still ... )

50 posted on 02/08/2013 9:21:51 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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