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Byron York: GOP aims to ease bloodshed in 2016 primary debates
Pottstown Mercury ^ | 2/7/13 | Byron York

Posted on 02/08/2013 9:28:48 AM PST by dirtboy

“While we were playing footsie debating each other 22 times, they were spending $100 million on technology,” Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said recently, referring to his party’s rigorous debate schedule in the 2012 GOP presidential primary season. The last campaign, many Republican insiders said during a recent RNC meeting, had too many debates, the result of which was a GOP arguing with itself while Democrats prepared the way for Barack Obama’s victory.

There’s no doubt the Republican debates produced many damaging moments for the party. There was Mitt Romney’s $10,000 bet offer, which helped cement his image as an out-of-touch rich guy. There were any number of gaffes from Rick Perry, culminating in Perry’s painful-to-watch “Oops” moment. There was Michele Bachmann’s HPV vaccine blunder. There were bare-knuckle fights over immigration. And there was warfare between Romney and Newt Gingrich, in which Gingrich prevailed in South Carolina only to be flattened by Romney in Florida. By the end, there was a lot of blood on the floor.

(Excerpt) Read more at pottsmerc.com ...


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Typical RINO. The failures belong squarely on Romney's shoulders. Romney spent plenty money on technology and had an epic systems fail due to horrific systems management. And for not wanting bloodshed, I don't see Priebus slapping down Karl Rove's anti-Tea-Party initiative.
1 posted on 02/08/2013 9:28:51 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

There were too many debates, giving the opposition and the press.. but I repeat my self way to many sound bites to edit and string together for their own wants.


2 posted on 02/08/2013 9:32:14 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: dirtboy
And for not wanting bloodshed, I don't see Priebus slapping down Karl Rove's anti-Tea-Party initiative.

The article is part of the slapping .... let's have fewer debates -- hell, let's just do away with primaries and settle the nomination in the locker room of the New York Athletic Club, just like the good old days. "Rocky, I think it's your turn this time!" "Why, thanks, Wendell! You're a scholar and a gentleman!"

3 posted on 02/08/2013 9:40:26 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: dirtboy

I’d like to see all of our debates conducted by a panel of Limbaugh, Beck, and Levin and I actually like the way the Huckabee forum worked. It didn’t pit the candidates against each other. In fact the candidates were discouraged from even mentioning each other.

Let the panel of moderators sit down and interview the candidates 1 by 1.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 9:42:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dirtboy

In other Reince words, “we don’t want to confuse our campaigns with any sense of conservatism or differing thought.”

“We need to stick with whomever GOP establishment RINO the elite GOP select, come hell or high water.”

“We think that if we are bland and appeasing enough, some hispanic voter may actually cast his ballot our way!”

“We think that if we try to show ‘feelings’ and commiserate with all the EBT voters, we’ll pick some of them up in the election in 2014.”

We think, we think, we think....problem is they forgot their ideals and foundation of their party. Republican doesn’t mean anything any more except “another frigging politician.”


5 posted on 02/08/2013 9:46:03 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: dirtboy

Yah, good luck with that stifle the grassroots plan. That’s why they didn’t show up to vote R last time around.

Keep strangling dissent, right up until the GOP chokes and dies like the Whigs.


6 posted on 02/08/2013 9:46:44 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: dirtboy

Hey, I have a radical idea, how about limiting participation in the Republican primaries to members of the Republican party? Nah, that’s crazy talk!


7 posted on 02/08/2013 9:47:01 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: dirtboy; Bidimus1

First of all those were not debates and should not be so labled. It was a line up for a Leftist media firing squad, with our guys trying to save themselves by blaming one another.

Then their was Newt, who bothered to outsmart them all and carried his own pistol, which he used for all their sakes.


8 posted on 02/08/2013 9:48:19 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Bidimus1

Priebus, a fellow I had high hopes for, has yet again proven what a fool he is by continuing to allow the Media to frame, ridicule and ruin the Republican Primary process. Such reliance on the Media to do the Establishment types dirty-work is illustrative of their leanings.

Flush out the RNC. The septic tank is full...


9 posted on 02/08/2013 9:48:50 AM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: dirtboy

I disagree that the primaries lost the election. In 2008, Hillary and Obama had a brutal primary and Obama still won the presidential election. This past election had more to do with the candidate the Republican Party placed on the ballot...Romney was not a strong candidate.


10 posted on 02/08/2013 9:51:26 AM PST by TejanoJim
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To: dirtboy
Further to my last, I found this yesterday. Double-bag warning: It's Ezra Klein, the abominable JournoList instigator.

http://tinyurl.com/aj8sy8y

(Cold link: It's on Bloomberg, we can't cite, quote, or go to the bathroom because Bloomy's lawyers said so.)

11 posted on 02/08/2013 9:53:15 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: dirtboy

Stop using MSM moderators!!!!!!!

...at least until the candidates learn how to use them as Dem party whipping boys.


12 posted on 02/08/2013 9:55:42 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (<-------currently working through post-election anger issues.)
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To: dirtboy

“Us big people will take care of it. You little people get lost.”


13 posted on 02/08/2013 9:59:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: dirtboy

Have the first primary elections in states that actually vote with the party in national elections.

Freegards


14 posted on 02/08/2013 10:01:20 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: dirtboy

You nailed it. The disaster was all Romney. And while I do think there are WAY WAY too many debates, like you said, I sure don’t see RP going after Rove. He’s in bed with him.


15 posted on 02/08/2013 10:02:39 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Bidimus1

And Dems didn’t bloody themselves in the Clinton-Obama war? Gimme a break. This is refusing to see the forest for the trees.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 10:04:25 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: TejanoJim
I disagree that the primaries lost the election. In 2008, Hillary and Obama had a brutal primary and Obama still won the presidential election. This past election had more to do with the candidate the Republican Party placed on the ballot...Romney was not a strong candidate.I am with you 100%. That was a much, much more contentious primary in 2008. Ours wasn't 25% as intense. Our problem was a lack of good candidates. Romney, for all his warts as a candidate, had a much stronger organization, more funding, and frankly outperformed the others in advertising and preperation. I was and ABR, but the rest were underfunded, lacked ground support and frankly no one else really offered the whole package. We had great conservative ideas, great debate moments, etc, but no one was a clear better alternative for the general election. We just restocked our bench in the past three years with 1st term governors and senators and none were ready to run.

I do agree that the debates could be reduced some. There were so many, it was overkill. We have to have enough to allow voters to sort through the options, but not 1-2 a week for six months before the first primary.

17 posted on 02/08/2013 10:04:33 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: RitaOK

Newt’s pistol was a cap gun to begin with, and the effect diminished radically with each shot. Hr sounds like a crybaby to me. Especially considering he’s hooked into the MSM-politician cabal he pretends to attack.

Notice, for instance, how lefties will grant Newt’s intelligence, while the rest of the Pubs and conservative in general are lucky to be recognized as retards. That’s not even to count the Pelosi commercial, which says enough all on its own.


18 posted on 02/08/2013 10:09:55 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: TejanoJim

If there was anything wrong with the primary contest—aside from us continuing to let the MSM run it for us, which is a general concern not limited to any particular election cycle—it’s that we had particularly crappy candidates. I like Bachmann and Cain, but they’re not ever going to be president. Perry bombed out of the gate and Newt is merely a zombie of a guy who died in the 90s. Which left us with Santorum, who frankly I don’t get the buzz about, not from the insane lib reaction nor the confused conservative enthusiasm.

Oh, and Romney, who did worse than John Freaking McCain.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 10:15:39 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: dirtboy

Part of the issue is the moderators. Would the Dems ever let Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly, etc. serve as one of their moderators? (Yes...I know O’Reilly is tainted but the answer is “no” even to O’Reilly).

So...why do we line up and eagerly accept moderators that absolutely “hate” the Conservative mind-set?

This is the issue I would love to see addressed.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 10:16:32 AM PST by Herodes
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To: dirtboy

without the debates Perry would have won the nomination and the election.

The debates utterly destroyed Perry.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 10:20:37 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: ilgipper

There are people like us, who are forced to sit through every agonizing detail of all the endless debates because we are addicted to politics, and some of us actually care. This ought not be confused with the general public, which may have been sick of Republicans by the time the general election rolled out. But not because of endless debates. They don’t pay attention to those.

I don’t know why exactly. Maybe through half-remembered two second clips on tv or headlines bumped into online. Which has something to do with the endlessness of primary season, and more to do with media coverage of it. Anyway, my point is don’t confuse the fatigue of those who actually paid attention with the apathy of a majority if voters, who don’t reliably pay attention before the Dem-Pub debates, if then.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 10:22:15 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: dirtboy
...by silencing Conservatives no doubt.

And they had better be figuring out how to close the primaries to Republicans only, or else 2016 will be yet another repeat of 2008 and 2012, only with Biden, Cuomo, O'Malley, Emmanuel, etc. wiinning on Obama's coat tails and using his big fraud machine.

23 posted on 02/08/2013 10:24:53 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: dirtboy

Voting died,,,, Nov, 6th, 2012.........


24 posted on 02/08/2013 11:17:44 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: dirtboy; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; GOPJ; ...
RE :”The last campaign, many Republican insiders said during a recent RNC meeting, had too many debates, the result of which was a GOP arguing with itself while Democrats prepared the way for Barack Obama’s victory.”

Of course the next election Dems will have a competitive primary too unlike 2012, and I suspect the Dems will being lining up to take a shot at the WH seeing so much GOP blood.

Looking back the R primary reminds me of that twilight zone were the bad genie gave the shopkeeping couple three wishes and they all went bad.
The candidates all tried to up each other making wildly unrealistic promises that were appropriate for an electorate that doesnt exist, or no longer exists.

Example : “Would veto $1 in taxes for every $10 in spending cuts” they all lined up for. That was twilight zone, and a got-ya yes-no question too.

So like MCain before him Romney ended up opposing the things he really believed in by the time the primary was over.

McCain : amnesty
Romney : socialized medicine.

No wonder they were sitting ducks for Dems.

Ya think Rubio is the next Romney-McCain- Dole?

25 posted on 02/08/2013 11:22:19 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: Tublecane

That’s easy enough. Newt is no threat to the Left and never will be, now, in a country so ignorant as to be actually anti-intelluctual.

Conservative ideas put into action have been suffocated, but history (that is not re-written) will be kind to Newt, compared to the conservative platitude pushers of today who ride on the stars and stripes but whose body of work nationally is as thin as a piece of paper but big on rhetoric.
Not so with Newt. In office, he delivered.

Be happy. There’s always some moderate the Establishment will coronate. They despised other conservatives, but they had felt Newt’s lash, on both sides of the aisle, and had to dread a replay.


26 posted on 02/08/2013 11:33:48 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: dirtboy

The Vichy GOPes think moving left will win them votes, they forget this has lost the last 2 elections


27 posted on 02/08/2013 11:37:31 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dirtboy
I agree with most of your post...but not the part about technology.

I made this point numerous times during the election: Obama and the DNC absolutely commanded Facebook, Google, Yahoo, you name it, with ads. I saw that in 2008 and hoped the GOP would catch a clue...but alas...they did not.

And as far as debates goes...for crying out loud...let's get some conservatives moderating them.

28 posted on 02/08/2013 11:39:34 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

Facebook,Google and Yahoo are arms of the DNC at this point, fundraisers and everything else. So you think the GOP should pour their funds into the coffers of the Dems?


29 posted on 02/08/2013 11:47:17 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: COBOL2Java
Hey, I have a radical idea, how about limiting participation in the Republican primaries to members of the Republican party? Nah, that’s crazy talk!

LOL...Funny...True, thou

30 posted on 02/08/2013 12:10:52 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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To: GeronL

Kind of like Socialism, isn’t it? No matter how many times it doesn’t work, the next thought is to do it again.


31 posted on 02/08/2013 1:28:51 PM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: sickoflibs

It’s not clear that the Democrats will have a competitive primary in 2016. If her health isn’t so bad that she can’t run, Hillary may be in a position to strongarm all the other potential candidates out of the race, except perhaps for one or two minor candidates from the lunatic fringe, who will just permit the media to treat it as a horse race.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 1:45:16 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Anima Mundi

yes it is


33 posted on 02/08/2013 1:52:30 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Bidimus1
Good thing these guys are the smartest guys on the planet. What kinds of stupidities would they come up with if they were just plain stupid?

Romney fought scorched Earth against Republican candidates and played pattycake with Obama. QED

34 posted on 02/08/2013 2:35:14 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Bidimus1

Too many debates results in the MSM having the opportunity to help select the most liberal candidate.


35 posted on 02/08/2013 2:54:55 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

La Raza Rick ? Please. Texas needs to boot his RINO ass.


36 posted on 02/08/2013 2:56:37 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: RitaOK

Gingrich was only there to suck up to the left wing media, whose respect he so desperately craves. I am glad he is back to being Nancy Pelosi’s errand boy, telling conservatives they should support gay marriage and climate change. What is his IQ? 60? 40?


37 posted on 02/08/2013 8:53:41 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: dirtboy

STOP OPEN PRIMARY VOTING TO DEMOCRATS!!!! Tlk about the STUPID PARTY!!!!


38 posted on 02/09/2013 12:14:57 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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