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Women shot during LAPD ex-cop manhunt had no warning, lawyer says
http://usnews.nbcnews.com ^ | 02-08-13 | By Tracy Connor

Posted on 02/08/2013 12:15:18 PM PST by Red Badger

A mother and daughter who were mistakenly shot by Los Angeles police hunting for rampage suspect Christopher Dorner had no warning before bullets started whizzing through their newspaper-delivery truck, their lawyer said Friday.

“No command, no instruction, no warning. They just opened fire on them,” said Glen Jonas, who is representing Emma Hernandez, 71, and Margie Carranza, 47, in possible legal action against the LAPD.

“They had no idea what was going on. They’re huddling, covering up and praying and hoping they’re not going to die.”

Both women survived. Hernandez, shot in the back, was in good condition Friday. Her daughter suffered a hand injury during the shooting and is now physically fine, but emotionally scarred, Jonas said.

The LAPD admits the predawn Thursday shooting was a case of mistaken identity that unfolded while police were guarding the Torrance home of someone named in a manifesto that ex-cop Dorner posted online about his twisted plans to avenge his firing.

Chief Charlie Beck said the officers saw a vehicle that matched the description of Dorner’s, driving through the dark streets with no headlights – and a “police-involved shooting” ensued.

Jonas said the women’s blue Toyota Tacoma looked nothing like Dorner’s dark-gray Nissan Titan, but that even if it had been a match, the police should not have fired on it.

“They still have to give the guy an opportunity to surrender. You can’t just execute him,” the lawyer said. “It’s in these high-stress situations where you follow your training and they violated every piece of training they ever received.”

The LAPD had no comment on Jonas’ claims.

He said he expects the city will offer his clients a substantial payout; if not, he plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit.

“Thank God they didn’t die. It’s a miracle they didn’t,” he said. “If it was a movie, you wouldn’t believe it.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; christopherdorner; copbashersonfr; dorner; lapd; leftwingmurderer; partisanmediashills
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Police detectives investigate a shooting incident involving a blue Toyota Tacoma pickup truck in Torrance, Calif. Police opened fire on the vehicle in a case of mistaken identity while searching for former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner.

1 posted on 02/08/2013 12:15:24 PM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Those cops need to be removed from the force before they murder someone.


2 posted on 02/08/2013 12:18:38 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Red Badger
"mistaken identity" was only ONE of the mistakes that were made. Just how many rounds were fired before police stopped to see if they were even justified in drawing their weapons in the first place?
3 posted on 02/08/2013 12:19:02 PM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Red Badger

Repeat after me: “Only cops are qualified and trained to handle firearms.”.

These idiots should be up on charges of attempted murder and violations of 18USC242. Then they should be tried, convicted, stripped of their pensions, imprisoned for life, and sued into bankruptcy until their families are dead broke and starving in the streets.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 12:19:16 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Red Badger

LA Cops....what else is there to say?


5 posted on 02/08/2013 12:20:19 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Red Badger

Don’t know if they were warned or not, but my assumption was certainly that they were not. Should be criminal charges against the officers involved if in fact they just opened fire.


6 posted on 02/08/2013 12:20:56 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The ex-cop they are looking to assassinate may be right after all...........


7 posted on 02/08/2013 12:21:26 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

Wait just a minute.....no family pets been shot and killed yet?


8 posted on 02/08/2013 12:22:36 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: andyk

The bullet holes are in the BACK of the cab..........


9 posted on 02/08/2013 12:22:36 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

As the wise and great NWA said in 89 (FU__ The Police)!!!


10 posted on 02/08/2013 12:22:47 PM PST by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: Red Badger

The cops are scared to death. Remember when that guy threatened to beat up Barney Fife? I guess it’s true about bullies being cowards at heart.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 12:22:56 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Red Badger
The police actually think that this Dorner would drive down the street in his own vehicle in front of the house of an officer whose life he has threatened knowing that the LAPD would be staking it out and on the lookout for him and his vehicle.

If they think he is that stupid to do something like that, then they have underestimated him and they will never catch him.

12 posted on 02/08/2013 12:23:19 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Red Badger

These cops need to be fired..you cant just open fire on any car because it looked like Dorner’s vehicle. Luckily these two women were not seriously injured


13 posted on 02/08/2013 12:23:37 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You are right, they give the good ones a black eye.
14 posted on 02/08/2013 12:25:02 PM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: ozzymandus
Remember when that guy threatened to beat up Barney Fife?

Had me on the edge of my seat... especially when Barney got his bullet out.
15 posted on 02/08/2013 12:25:10 PM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Red Badger

I’s a miracle that they are still alive. A quick glance indicates about 40 rounds fired.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 12:25:53 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Red Badger

two hispanic women in a blue truck being mistaken for a large black man in a dark gray vehicle... cops opening fire without any reason to even pull the gun out of the holster...

Those evil taxpayers will be made to pay for all this!

crazy


17 posted on 02/08/2013 12:26:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Red Badger

Cops go nuts when one of their own is threatened and in this case they themselves are threatened. SOCAL folks better give them a wide berth until this perp is shot. I say shot, because it’s real clear he won’t be caught.


18 posted on 02/08/2013 12:26:21 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Red Badger

Pretty disgusting, indeed.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 12:26:21 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Red Badger
Who thinks they would be anywhere but prison if they had committed this shooting based on, “Well, a person in a blue Toyota truck made threats against me, and that was a blue Toyota truck, so I just unloaded on it.”

Also note, they were looking for ONE guy, yet the bullet holes clearly indicate that they were shooting at TWO people. Now yes, its possible that the suspect would have someone with him, but wouldn't you think that second person might be a hostage?

These cops need to go to jail for attempted murder.

20 posted on 02/08/2013 12:28:11 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: andyk

Your response is puzzling. There would have to be weapons on them to justify that shooting. What possible difference could a warning (which is the claim of the article) make?

“Don’t move or leave the vehicle! You’re scaring us!”

Car door starts to open...BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! ...


21 posted on 02/08/2013 12:28:54 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Red Badger

Normally I deplore Civil Litigators, all too often they are chasing ambulances, making vague claims about pharmaceuticals on daytime TV commercials or suing over hot coffee. But if this happened to me or my own, a shark would have been my first call after assurances of my family’s or my well being..


22 posted on 02/08/2013 12:29:10 PM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: Red Badger
As I stated earlier;
Fear
Poor Training
Affirmative Action
Political Correctness
are all to blame for the attempted assassination of these two women. Assassination is the only thing it can be called. The two piss poor excuses for police officers,were trying to kill the suspect. Not arrest him. Kill him.

And I still think that is a Broncho Bamma sticker on the bumper of that POlice car.

23 posted on 02/08/2013 12:29:43 PM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Sopater

At least 46 shots were fired, if a little tag near the tire (in another picture) is an indication.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 12:29:50 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Red Badger

Ban guns.

guns are safe in the hands of policemen?
I’m glad that it is now policemen who are having a gun battle. It lowers them to the civilian status in the sense that they should also go through all the background and mental checks.

oh, and it’s not a “man hunt” it’s a “police hunt”.


25 posted on 02/08/2013 12:29:59 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: GeronL

I bet they are promoted and given medals..........


26 posted on 02/08/2013 12:30:15 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Then again, why are they such bad shots?

/sarcasm

remember that story from Cleveland in December? Over 140 something rounds fired .... no suspects were around


27 posted on 02/08/2013 12:30:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Red Badger

Welcome to the shoot first and ask questions later school of police work. And you thought “Police Academy” was just a movie.


28 posted on 02/08/2013 12:31:01 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Red Badger
“No command, no instruction, no warning. They just opened fire on them,” said Glen Jonas, who is representing Emma Hernandez, 71, and Margie Carranza, 47, in possible legal action against the LAPD.

Possible legal action? I would guess that it would easily take eight figures to the left of the decimal place for them to even consider not going to court. Those cops won't be fired because they endanged civilians, they'll get canned for making those two women Megamillions jackpot winners.

29 posted on 02/08/2013 12:32:14 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Red Badger

Some nice grouping.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 12:33:10 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Red Badger

Interesting that there are bullet hole in both the driver and passenger side windows. They are after 1 guy but they tried to kill BOTH people in the truck. What if he had a hostage?


31 posted on 02/08/2013 12:34:03 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Red Badger
Damn!
First time I'm seeing the photo of the truck, those women are lucky to be alive.
Looks like they didn't stop shooting till their mags were empty.
32 posted on 02/08/2013 12:35:09 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: cardinal4

The problem is the people who did this, the people who supervise them, the people who hired them, the city-county bureaucrats who are supposed to be in charge of them will never lose a dime.... it’s always the taxpayers who pay through the nose.


33 posted on 02/08/2013 12:35:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

The man they’re looking for is black.

Just imagine the rioting that will erupt if these Keystone Cops open fire and kill an innocent black man.

Rodney King all over again.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 12:35:23 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Red Badger

So you’re driving your truck delivering papers like you always do and the cops open fire on you without warning.

This raises a lot of valid 2nd Amendment questions to me.

1. Do you have an obligation to die in this circumstance?

2. If you shoot back are you now wrong?

3. What if you do shoot back and kill the criminals who fired on you? Are you guilty of anything other than self-defense?

4. This incident puts the lie to the notion that only cops have the proper training to use guns.

On an aside, this incident (one of several, so far) underlines the core of Dorner’s complaints about the LAPD and excessive use of force, doesn’t it?


35 posted on 02/08/2013 12:35:33 PM PST by MeganC (“Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!”)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Some nice grouping.

In the TAILGATE!........I suspect they were trying to hit the gas tank to make it explode......just like in the movies........IDIOTS!

36 posted on 02/08/2013 12:36:13 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

Well, I indicated what my assumption was, but I wasn’t there, and the only physical evidence I’ve seen is the photo. I’m waiting for the MSM to grill the PD on why they opened fire. Crickets...


37 posted on 02/08/2013 12:36:52 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Red Badger

If they were ATF they would be lauded as brave heroes by now


38 posted on 02/08/2013 12:36:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Red Badger

The ex-cop they are looking to assassinate may be right after all...........


I have to admit my mind wandered in that direction when I read about this. I first saw the story this morning and assumed it was one of those satire stories. This is absolutely unbelieveable.


39 posted on 02/08/2013 12:38:10 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MeganC

Never mind shooting back, what if you correctly decide that somebody is trying to kill you, so you floor it? Now they won’t stop until they run your bullet-riddled truck off the road, and if it rolls over too, hey, that’s what happens when you run from the police.


40 posted on 02/08/2013 12:39:09 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

> Those cops need to be removed from the force before they murder someone.

But then they’ll become removed ex-cops. Look at what just one ex-cop who was removed has allegedly done..


41 posted on 02/08/2013 12:39:56 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Pan_Yan

“they’ll get canned for making those two women Megamillions jackpot winners.”

Sorry but no they won’t get canned, they may get a few weeks paid vacation and then a disability retirement benefit but that’s about it. Expect to see them let off, also the MSM is down playing this like crazy so don’t expect any citizen anger either. The one nice thing about this is that cops are off the streets, I usually see at least two or three CHiPs on the way to work, this morning I saw none and there were two separate accidents one with the fire dept there and you always see cops when the fire trucks are on scene.


42 posted on 02/08/2013 12:40:13 PM PST by trapped_in_LA
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To: Red Badger
“Thank God they didn’t die. It’s a miracle they didn’t,” he said.
If it was a movie, you wouldn’t believe it.

**************

I keep say'n.... "You can't make this stuff up..."

Now I rest my case...

43 posted on 02/08/2013 12:40:38 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Red Badger

IMO there looks like there is a whole lot more to this story than has been told. I give the MSM zero credibility


44 posted on 02/08/2013 12:40:47 PM PST by clamper1797 (De-throne King Obozo)
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To: The Cajun

...and still only managed to wound two unarmed elderly women.........


45 posted on 02/08/2013 12:41:04 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Lurker
"Then they should be tried, convicted, stripped of their pensions, imprisoned for life, and sued into bankruptcy until their families are dead broke and starving in the streets."

Really think so?

46 posted on 02/08/2013 12:41:35 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: MeganC

It sure as hell does........


47 posted on 02/08/2013 12:43:13 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger
Semi-spray and pray.
They did get a decent amount in the kill zone of where the driver and passenger would be.
Imagine the more they shot, the wilder they got from panic trigger pulling.
Idiots is right in every aspect, from beginning to end.
48 posted on 02/08/2013 12:44:08 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: crazydad

49 posted on 02/08/2013 12:44:25 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Red Badger
The ex-cop they are looking to assassinate may be right after all...........

May be? May be?

The LA police sound like a bunch of lying thugs.

50 posted on 02/08/2013 12:44:25 PM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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