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Colorado Prepares for All-Out Gun Fight
US News ^ | February 8, 2013, 4hr ago | Lauren Fox

Posted on 02/08/2013 3:43:09 PM PST by Red Steel

Newly blue state could see red with proposed gun laws

Colorado's state legislature is the stage where one of nation's fiercest gun debates will unfold.

A state with a strong tradition of sport shooting and hunting, Colorado is also home to two of the country's deadliest mass shootings.

Recently state legislators have introduced bills on everything from universal background checks, to limiting high-capacity magazines over 10 rounds, to holding gun manufacturers and dealers liable if their products fall into dangerous hands—a bill that actually runs counter to current federal law, which protects gun makers and sellers.

"It's going to be a hard fought and nasty battle," says Tom Mauser, a gun-control activist whose son Daniel was killed at Columbine High School. "The linchpin is that Colorado's been home to two of the worst massacres and the demographics of the state are really changing."

[PICTURES: The Gun Control Debate, in Plain English]

In 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 13 at Columbine High School. In July 2012, James Holmes allegedly wounded 58 and killed 12 at an Aurora, Colo., movie theater.

In the more than a decade since Columbine, activists on both sides of the gun debate, say the political landscape of the once-Republican state has shifted dramatically. After Columbine, Colorado voters saw one new piece of gun legislation. Residents voted to close the gun show loophole in the state. But after a year where a movie theater and elementary school shooting shook the nation, it looks as if the state could be on the verge of passing a more sweeping collection of gun-control bills.

Colorado is a swing state now—President Barack Obama won there in 2012 and both state houses and the governor's mansion are controlled by Democrats.

The state's Hispanic population—a constituency that tends to favor stronger gun-control laws—has steadily climbed from 17 percent in 2000 to nearly 21 percent in 2010.

[ENJOY: Political Cartoons About Gun Control]

And out of staters have fled to Denver, one of the country's fastest growing cities.

A Denver Post poll in January showed more than 60 percent of Coloradans supported background checks, limiting high-capacity magazines and banning some types of semi-automatic weapons. While residents still back the National Rifle Association, with 56 percent saying they still see the group favorably.

The state's mixed feelings on guns trickle into the Democratic Party, which will choose just how far the state goes on controlling come semi-automatic weapons. Many Democratic lawmakers hail from suburban or rural swing districts where gun rights are still important to constituents.

And the Democrats are not yet on the same page.

"The Democratic party has tried to avoid the gun issue in Colorado for quite some time. They tinker on the margins," says Dudley Brown, the executive director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, a pro-gun group that opposes semi-automatic weapon bans and universal background checks. "They are not a monolithic group."

[READ: How to Protect Yourself in a Mass Shooting]

Democratic Colorado State Rep. Rhonda Fields of Aurora is at the forefront of the fight to curb gun violence. The legislator, whose son was gunned down in 2005, introduced a new series of gun laws this week.

But some, like Democratic Colorado State Rep. Ed Vigil, opposes new gun bills that limit military-style weapons, telling the Denver Post that he did not believe they would stop criminals.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 02/08/2013 3:43:13 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The magazine ban:

“House Committees Senate Committees Judiciary
A BILL FOR AN ACT
101 CONCERNING PROHIBITING LARGE-CAPACITY AMMUNITION
102 MAGAZINES.
Bill Summary

(Note: This summary applies to this bill as introduced and does
not reflect any amendments that may be subsequently adopted. If this bill
passes third reading in the house of introduction, a bill summary that
applies to the reengrossed version of this bill will be available at http://www.leg.state.co.us/billsummaries.)
The bill prohibits the sale, transfer, or possession of an
ammunition feeding device that is capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition or more than 5 shotgun shells (large-capacity magazine). A person may possess a large-capacity magazine if he or she owns the large-capacity magazine

HOUSE SPONSORSHIP
Fields,
SENATE SPONSORSHIP
Hodge,

Shading denotes HOUSE amendment. Double underlining denotes SENATE amendment. Capital letters indicate new material to be added to existing statute. Dashes through the words indicate deletions from existing statute. on the effective date of the bill and maintains continuous possession of
the large-capacity magazine.

A person who sells, transfers, or possesses a large-capacity
magazine in violation of the new provision commits a class 2
misdemeanor. A large-capacity magazine that is manufactured in Colorado on or after the effective date of the bill must include a serial number and the date upon which the large-capacity magazine was manufactured or assembled. The serial number and date must be legibly and conspicuously
engraved or cast upon the outer surface of the large-capacity magazine.

The Colorado bureau of investigation may promulgate rules that may require a large-capacity magazine that is manufactured on or after the effective date of the bill to bear identifying information in addition to the
serial number and date of assembly.

A person who manufactures a large-capacity magazine in Colorado in violation of the new provision commits a class 2 misdemeanor. 1 Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Colorado:

2 SECTION 1. In Colorado Revised Statutes, add part 3 to article
3 12 of title 18 as follows:

4 PART 3
5 LARGE-CAPACITY AMMUNITION MAGAZINES
6 18-12-301. Definitions. AS USED IN THIS PART 3, UNLESS THE
7 CONTEXT OTHERWISE REQUIRES:
8 (1) “BUREAU” MEANS THE COLORADO BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
9 CREATED AND EXISTING PURSUANT TO SECTION 24-33.5-401, C.R.S.
10 (2) (a) “LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE” MEANS A FIXED OR
11 DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, BOX, DRUM, FEED STRIP, OR SIMILAR DEVICE
12 CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT CAN BE READILY CONVERTED TO
13 ACCEPT, MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION OR MORE THAN FIVE
14 SHOTGUN SHELLS.
15 (b) “LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE” DOES NOT MEAN:
16 (I) A FEEDING DEVICE THAT HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY ALTERED SO
-2- HB13-1224
1 THAT IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF
2 AMMUNITION;
3 (II) A .22 CALIBER TUBE AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE; OR
4 (III) A TUBULAR MAGAZINE THAT IS CONTAINED IN A
5 LEVER-ACTION FIREARM.
6 18-12-302. Large-capacity magazines prohibited - penalties -
7 exceptions. (1) (a) EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION, ON
8 AND AFTER JULY 1,2013, A PERSON WHO SELLS, TRANSFERS, OR POSSESSES
9 A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE COMMITS A CLASS 2 MISDEMEANOR.
10 (b) A PERSON WHO VIOLATES SUBSECTION (1) OF THIS SECTION
11 AFTER HAVING BEEN CONVICTED OF A PRIOR VIOLATION OF SAID
12 SUBSECTION (1) COMMITS A CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR.
13 (c) A PERSON WHO VIOLATES SUBSECTION (1) OF THIS SECTION
14 COMMITS A CLASS 6 FELONY IF THE PERSON POSSESSED A LARGE-CAPACITY
15 MAGAZINE DURING THE COMMISSION OF A FELONY OR ANY CRIME OF
16 VIOLENCE, AS DEFINED IN SECTION 18-1.3-406.
17 (2) (a) A PERSON MAY POSSESS A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE IF
18 HE OR SHE:
19 (I) OWNS THE LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE ON THE EFFECTIVE
20 DATE OF THIS SECTION; AND
21 (II) MAINTAINS CONTINUOUS POSSESSION OF THE LARGE-CAPACITY
22 MAGAZINE.
23 (b) IF A PERSON WHO IS ALLEGED TO HAVE VIOLATED SUBSECTION
24 (1) OF THIS SECTION ASSERTS THAT HE OR SHE IS PERMITTED TO LEGALLY
25 POSSESS A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH (a) OF
26 THIS SUBSECTION (2), THE PROSECUTION HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO
27 REFUTE THE ASSERTION. “


2 posted on 02/08/2013 3:45:48 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

What if they passed a law and everyone said GFY?


3 posted on 02/08/2013 3:46:35 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: Red Steel

Oops, left off page 2 of the article.

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Even Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper remains vague on which gun-control measures he can support.

In a State of State state address last month, Hickenlooper focused his attention on strengthening mental health services and announced his support for universal background checks, but restricting some semi-automatic weapons was not part of his message.

Hickenlooper has been careful to wade into the debate slowly and involve gun-right heavyweights in the conversations. He met with National Rifle Association president David Keene Thursday.

“While we might not agree on a number of things, there will certainly be places we can find common ground,” Hickenlooper said in a statement after the meeting.

[PHOTOS: U.S. Senate Holds Gun Control Hearing]

Both sides are preparing for the fight by strengthening their lobbying forces in Colorado.

Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group launched by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, has set up shop in the state, hiring two new lobbyists to get their message out at Colorado’s state house. And gun industries are hiring lobbyists to protect themselves from restrictive gun bills that could hurt business.

In Colorado guns are not just for sport, they are for safety. Pro-gun groups worry new restrictions will hurt individuals abilities to protect themselves.

“Like many Western states, large numbers of people live long distances from law enforcement. Response times are longer. In some areas, 25 minutes would be a quick response time,” Brown says. “What would have stopped the Aurora theater shooting was a person with a gun and a concealed carry permit.”

Brown admits “this is shaping up to be a big battle,” but says that his Republican allies won’t flinch on guns.

Like in the U.S. House of Representatives, Colorado’s Republicans are more conservative then they were a decade ago and they are more ready to fight against new gun laws.

“The swing districts are represented by Democrats,” says Laura Chapin, a Democratic strategist who is working in the state to pass stronger gun laws. “What you have left are very hardcore conservatives from very conservative districts.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 3:48:18 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Noumenon

They are getting close to that.


5 posted on 02/08/2013 3:49:23 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The only folks I hear talking about protecting sport shooting and hunting are the gun banners. The rest of us understand what the 2nd amendment is all about.


6 posted on 02/08/2013 3:49:47 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

They love to lie.


7 posted on 02/08/2013 3:52:17 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
The state's Hispanic population—a constituency that tends to favor stronger gun-control laws—has steadily climbed from 17 percent in 2000 to nearly 21 percent in 2010.

Hispanics are a strongly leftist voting block and one that is growing at an astounding pace. These are people that largely supported collectivist government in Mexico (returning the socialist PRI to power for 70+ years straight) and are simply voting the same way here.

There are just not enough white people moving to the GOP fast enough to offset the explosive growth of minority populations. We see the result in Colorado, and we will soon be locked out of Nevada, Virginia and even North Carolina because of this.

8 posted on 02/08/2013 3:56:40 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Red Steel

Let the games begin.


9 posted on 02/08/2013 4:01:15 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: Red Steel

“The gun show loophole”, what a load.


10 posted on 02/08/2013 4:03:30 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Noumenon

That’s going to be my response.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 4:05:34 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Noumenon
Hickelooper is cool to most of them.

From a nyt Feb 5th article - Gov. John W. Hickenlooper, a first-term Democrat, has advocated background checks on all gun sales. But he has not endorsed more contentious measures like limiting ammunition magazines or imposing strict liability standards on gun makers.

There are a few CO Dems who are balking at these ultra-liberal wing's gun grab bills.

To defeat these bills, we need 5 crossovers which is very doable, and 3 Dims in the state senate.

12 posted on 02/08/2013 4:07:37 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Noumenon

I’ve had some interesting conversations with LE types here lately. Every single one of them said they simply won’t enforce this shit.


13 posted on 02/08/2013 4:13:07 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Red Steel

When I was at the State Capital to voice support for arming teachers, the three librats (Ulibarri, Aguilar and Guzman) had their minds made up before they even entered the room.

Remember those names, FRiends.
Ulibarri, Aguilar and Guzman.
They want our kids defenseless.
Throw them all out ASAP!


14 posted on 02/08/2013 4:18:26 PM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: Red Steel

Tom Mauser - - a gun-control activist

The irony.


15 posted on 02/08/2013 4:19:21 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Longbow1969

You hit the nail on the head. Mexico is a corrupt, socialist country, and always has been. The illegals sneaking up here are overrunning the legal immigrants at an alarming pace. The illegals are here for one reason only: to loot, pillage, and plunder this country for all it’s worth, just like their democrat AND republican enablers. The next time you see a ford explorer full of mexican gangbangers, think about what I said.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 4:20:38 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Red Steel

Anywhere you have dem majorities, you have excessive gun control. NY just got a bunch more and CA is looking to out-do NY. As states turn blue, you can kiss your 2A rights goodbye. It’s just a fact of life. Get used to it.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 4:21:28 PM PST by umgud
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To: Red Steel

One lady shooter suggested that this must be sexual in nature. Well, what she said was, “There is no end to these pricks.”


18 posted on 02/08/2013 4:22:44 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Lurker
I’ve had some interesting conversations with LE types here lately. Every single one of them said they simply won’t enforce this shit.

Can you imagine CO LE enforcing the CO mag ban.

Hmmmmm... you got that "high capacity" mag on July 2 so you're under arrest felon!

Citizen: No officer, I swear I bought it on June 30th so it's legal!

CO LE: I don't believe you so you're still under arrest.

19 posted on 02/08/2013 4:23:28 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. It is about Presidents assassinating US citizens with zero due process.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 4:24:52 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Red Steel

The best bet here is to launch a recall drive of the weakest of the Democrat state legislators. The Democrats got control with in their house with five freshmen who are likely very nervous about keeping their seats.

So those are the first five to challenge in a recall drive. Then select several others who won only by slim margins.

If five of them defect and refuse to support anti-gun laws, then the whole ball of wax melts.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 4:40:24 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Lurker

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2984162/posts

The LEO in this story could have turned and walked away, but instead charged the guy with 5 felonies. Don’t be too comfortable in your belief.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 4:53:18 PM PST by suthener
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To: andyk; Red Steel
"The only folks I hear talking about protecting sport shooting and hunting are the gun banners."

That's because they are most desirous of revenues from tourism. Tourism doesn't require real work, as, for example, manufacturing does. Without much tourism, they would not be able to regulate much against the Second Amendment or truly productive activities (like manufacturing, adequate levels of uranium mining--see hundreds of uranium mines during the 1950s, etc.). CO would cease to be a utopia ruled by bipartisan environmentalists and animal worshipers.

;-)


23 posted on 02/08/2013 5:04:19 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Lurker

According to some I’ve talked to, they “don’t care about morality.” They “only enforce the law.” Not like the police of the past. Quite a few of their political organizations, BTW, are much of the influence behind gun control, but they do like to appear to political conservatives to be conservative. Some of them even like to ask veterans if those veterans are “like Tim McVeigh.” Our country has changed.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 5:17:26 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Red Steel

If this is signed into law, before the ink is dry the gun banners will be back demanding a tougher law.
AW laws are just an attempt to get their anti-gun foot in the door so they can go after their real target. The same target they have been after for the last fifty years, handguns.

Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.

“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest.

Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.

So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time.

My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered.

And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal.”

-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58


25 posted on 02/08/2013 5:28:44 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Red Steel

Latinos by and large embrace socialism. I don’t know why, but they do, and it is an historical reality. And they are not going to change.

Let’s face it, folks: the United States is fast becoming Venezuela. So, “let ‘er rip,” and let the chips fall where they may.


26 posted on 02/08/2013 5:50:57 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Red Steel

In exactly three words: nullification and secession.


27 posted on 02/08/2013 6:29:21 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: ought-six

Too many Catholic priests embrace socialistic views.


28 posted on 02/08/2013 6:39:53 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: ought-six

Too many Catholic priests embrace socialistic views.


29 posted on 02/08/2013 6:39:53 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Red Steel

I just say to Colorado: Go ahead, pass it, and watch what happens.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 6:44:16 PM PST by BobL
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To: Longbow1969; Red Steel
The state's Hispanic population—a constituency that tends to favor stronger gun-control laws—has steadily climbed from 17 percent in 2000 to nearly 21 percent in 2010.

Hispanics are a strongly leftist voting block and one that is growing at an astounding pace. These are people that largely supported collectivist government in Mexico (returning the socialist PRI to power for 70+ years straight) and are simply voting the same way here.

If (or I should perhaps say when) the STHF, based on the demographics described above not only in CO but also in TX, AZ, and a number of other state, I predict that civil unrest & violence will be along both ideological lines (libs/socialists versus conservatives/patriots) AND along ethnic lines.....Black liberals/NAACP types/leftist Hispanics/Muslims versus Whites/Asians.

As Thomas Jefferson so accurately predicted, the tree of liberty will be watered with the blood of tyrants & their supporters, along with the blood of patriots. Who will win in this epic battle is still uncertain.

31 posted on 02/08/2013 8:00:53 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Lurker

Good to know. Everyone’s going to have to choose sides. Whether they want to or not.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 8:49:49 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: Longbow1969

“There are just not enough white people moving to the GOP fast enough to offset the explosive growth of minority populations. We see the result in Colorado, and we will soon be locked out of Nevada, Virginia and even North Carolina because of this.”

The Incredible Shrinking Party...

As I’ve mentioned in a few other posts, the Republican party has now become a “regional” party rather than a national one. There are some states that are “forever lost” to the Pubbies, and others “on the verge”, such as the ones you mentioned above.

Republicans will continue to have influence in D.C. for a while longer — enough to block some legislation, but not enough to again assume the reigns of power. Kind of like the Republicans fared in California for the last 15-20 years before last November’s election which all-but wiped them out.

The best hope for conservatives is to congregate themselves into the remaining red states, in enough numbers so that their strength therein will be secure, at least for the next few decades.

After that...?


33 posted on 02/08/2013 10:32:58 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: hoosierham

“Too many Catholic priests embrace socialistic views.”

There is much truth in that statement.


34 posted on 02/09/2013 10:24:55 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Road Glide
Republicans will continue to have influence in D.C. for a while longer — enough to block some legislation, but not enough to again assume the reigns of power. Kind of like the Republicans fared in California for the last 15-20 years before last November’s election which all-but wiped them out.

The best hope for conservatives is to congregate themselves into the remaining red states, in enough numbers so that their strength therein will be secure, at least for the next few decades.

Sadly, this is about how I suspect things will play out.

After that...?

I think if this scenario plays out it spells the decline of America. The country will remain, but the great experiment will be over. Asia would likely be the future - China and India in particular. Who knows, they may copy some of what America did right and continue to shed the socialist polices that kept those countries down for so long.

In many ways the best hope is that the left oversteps sooner rather than later and causes an uprising of traditional and conservative people. Maybe such a thing would capture the imagination of the greater public and change the course of history. I doubt that will happen though.

35 posted on 02/09/2013 12:53:00 PM PST by Longbow1969
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