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State lawmakers propose tough gun laws - Gun advocates pledge fight over California proposals (CA)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | February 7, 2013 | Wyatt Buchanan

Posted on 02/08/2013 8:55:01 PM PST by neverdem

California would significantly restrict gun use and ownership, including major new bans on ammunition magazines, under dozens of new proposed regulations that would cement the state's status of having the strictest gun-control laws in the United States.

The magnitude of restrictions introduced by Democrats is greater than gun-rights advocates say they have ever seen at one time and puts the debate in California in the forefront, even as Congress considers a number of gun laws. The drive for tougher regulations in California also highlights the relative weakness of the gun lobby and gun manufacturers in the state.

Restrictions would include a ban on possession of all high-capacity magazines. Such magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition and that were purchased before the state banned them in 2000 are currently legal. Also, lawmakers proposed a ban on the sale of any long gun with a detachable magazine, classifying such guns as assault weapons.

'Exploiting the fine print'

State lawmakers announced those proposals at a news conference Thursday, along with plans to impose stricter certification requirements for handgun ownership and a requirement that all guns in the state be registered, not just handguns as is required now. Other recent proposals include a tax on ammunition and requiring that gun owners acquire liability insurance.

The gun industry "is very adept at exploiting the fine print and finding ways to get around the letter of the law," said state Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento...

--snip--

"Nothing has gone to unify the pro-gun community, the pro-Second Amendment community more than the attacks that we are facing," he said, adding that they were the most "in the history of California and maybe the history of the United States."...

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
That subtitle wasn't apparent when I copied the title with the author and date. It appeared when I pasted it!
1 posted on 02/08/2013 8:55:10 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

What does Chris Dorner say?


2 posted on 02/08/2013 9:02:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: neverdem

There are over 20k gun-control laws ( The Brookings Institution) in existence in the US. And yet we need more? Obviously gun control laws don’t work. Criminals don’t know or care about gun control laws. Only the law abiding citizen suffers because of these laws.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 9:13:40 PM PST by doc1019
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To: neverdem
and a requirement that all guns in the state be registered, not just handguns as is required now.

This confuses me. CA already passed a law that requires long gun registration effective Jan 2014. Maybe they're going to speed this up?

4 posted on 02/08/2013 9:17:55 PM PST by umgud
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To: neverdem

What new gun laws would have prevented this whack-job from doing what he is doing?


5 posted on 02/08/2013 9:18:52 PM PST by doc1019
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To: neverdem

How many citizens of CA will leave over this carp?

1,000 people per day are said to be moving to Texas from other states. We don’t want any of the CA Lefties, already have our quota in Austin.

DC can forget this gun grab when it comes to Texas. NOT Going to Happen.....


6 posted on 02/08/2013 9:23:37 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Anywhere you have dem majorities, you have excessive gun control. NY just got a bunch more and CA is looking to out-do NY. As states turn blue, you can kiss your 2A rights goodbye. It’s just a fact of life. Get used to it.


7 posted on 02/08/2013 9:25:35 PM PST by umgud
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To: umgud
This confuses me. CA already passed a law that requires long gun registration effective Jan 2014. Maybe they're going to speed this up?

I think they mean retroactive registration, all long guns currently in the state to be registered, not just new ones purchased after 2014.

8 posted on 02/08/2013 9:29:31 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: umgud

Can you imagine enforcing laws like that in Texas?

hee hee hee

Not enough goons to even try. Too many oilies, rednecks, veterans, hunters, farmers and just plain gun lovers. There are a lot of women here who feel the same way. Many of them carry. The can just forget TX, OK and much of the South....


9 posted on 02/08/2013 9:30:07 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Steve Van Doorn; Syncro; ProtectOurFreedom; Citizen James; abigail2; ...
Gun, ammo bills pending in the Calif. Legislature

And I thought Albany, NY went nuts!

There's a couple of possible bright sides to all this gun grabbing. Second Amendment single issue voters wake up about the rats. Independents who are conservatives but got fed up with the the GOP and voted third party see the error of their ways. I read the D.C. v. Heller decision. Almost all of these bills are unconstitutional, if not all of them, IMHO.

10 posted on 02/08/2013 9:30:13 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Commie Dems are convinced they are above the law.

They have already asked “isn’t it time to forget the Consitution”, you know that old yellow document written by those old dead white guys?

FUBO! And you minions.

We shall see how this plays out.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 9:33:13 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: neverdem

That’s pretty pathetic when a state lawmaker says “the pro-Second Amendment community” and means it in a disparaging way. The 2nd amendment is the law of the land. Anyone who’s not pro-Second Amendment is an enemy of this nation.

To be anti-2nd Amendment is, by nature, to be anti-Constitution.


12 posted on 02/08/2013 9:49:53 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Leftists: Stupid or Evil. Sometimes both. ))))
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To: neverdem
Coming soon.

Out-migration of responsible, law abiding, gun owning taxpayers from the once-Golden state.

The legislature will discover just how expensive these foolish and unnecessary "gun control" laws are in the form of lost tax revenue (including negative multiplier effects.)

Sadly for them, it will be too late; we're not coming back.

.

13 posted on 02/08/2013 9:53:56 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: neverdem

El Dorado County passed a second amendment resolution. Siskiyou has copied and augmented the resolution and it will be under consideration on Tuesday. Feel free to take it to your local counties for consideration.

http://www.co.siskiyou.ca.us/BOS/DOCS/agenda/2013/Questys/MG23629/AS23646/AI23782/DO23783/DO_23783.pdf

RESOLUTION NO.

OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF SISKIYOU
IN SUPPORT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT
AND THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
‘””
WHEREAS, the American people have retained to themselves the right to “keep and bear arms” – a right not subject to infringement by Congress as is memorialized in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, as part of United States Bill of Rights, ratified on December 15, 1791; and,

WHEREAS, a landmark decisions issued by the United States Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller established that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess a firearm from federal infringement unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that Arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as, but not limited to, self-defense within the home; and

WHEREAS, the Court in McDonald v. City of Chicago established that the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution extended protection of the individual right to keep and bear arms to the several States under due process provisions of that Amendment; and

WHEREAS, according to Merriam Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, the word “infringement” means “an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege” – in other words a violation or constraint upon a right; and,

WHEREAS, sadly, recent high profile events within our country have sparked discussions of gun-control at the local, state and federal levels, which have advanced proposed legislation which professes to address gun violence, while, in fact, infringes upon Second Amendment rights - (this has included numerous gun and ammunition control proposals, outright gun bans as well as registration schemes that would convert the right into a revocable privilege); and,

WHEREAS, the County of Siskiyou’s economy is supported by family ranching, farming and natural resource businesses, and that the right to keep and bear Arms is fundamental to our right to protect our families, our property, our livestock, and our livelihood; and,

WHEREAS, as a “frontier county,” hunting for food is a practice among many residents and, as a sport, hunting makes an important contribution to the local economy; and,

WHEREAS, the residents of this County respect the rights protected by the Second Amendment through the recognition and support of responsible firearm ownership, training and awareness; and,

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Board of Supervisors of the County of Siskiyou supports all discussions seeking new ideas to protect our citizens from violence but cannot abide by any order, provision, law or agency initiative that violates the protections of the Second Amendment.

PASSED AND ADOPTED by the Board of Supervisors of the County of Siskiyou County at a regular meeting of said Board,
held the ____day of February, 2013, by the following vote of said Board:


14 posted on 02/08/2013 9:54:06 PM PST by marsh2
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To: marsh2

Excellent!


15 posted on 02/08/2013 10:06:52 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: marsh2; neverdem

This needs to be fought on multi fronts. Laws passed must be challenged in the Federal Courts. More Counties need to stand firm and tell the State that they will not allow State officials to use the color of authority of violate the civil rights of its citizens. There needs to be multiple recalls against as many Assemblymen and State Senators as is possible. It will only take a couple of recalls and the rest will STFU for a few years. Who knows, maybe even Brown can be recalled.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 10:13:39 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: neverdem
The gun industry "is very adept at exploiting the fine print and finding ways to get around the letter of the law," said state Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento...

Those damned free people, both gun mfgrs and owners, who think that if we want to legislate something, we should write it down accurately!! What nerve they got!

17 posted on 02/08/2013 10:19:51 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: neverdem

He says reduce the 2A to his ideal so fascist murderers can rain his fury down on society, leaving us the only option of cowering fearfully as wait the 20 minutes or so it takes the police to arrive en masse in answer to gunshots.

FO off you imbecile and die. Afterward, May God grant you solemnity, crisp, asbo burn in hell.


18 posted on 02/08/2013 10:20:39 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Texas Fossil
They have already asked “isn’t it time to forget the Consitution”

Since it protects me from the goobermint, or at least tries to, NO, it'll NEVER be time to forget it! In fact, with the tyrants we got running the show now, we need about 30 new rights ("negative rights") codified in the new improved Bill of Rights, and the ones that are there made plain enough so an Obama voter can understand them.

19 posted on 02/08/2013 10:24:04 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: umgud

Imagine that, the Lee-Enfield SMLE is bolt action, MAGAZINE FED. So it is banned?

I would love to hear one person get up and say “Pass all the laws you want. I refuse to surrender my 2A rights.”

Really, how much more can law-abiding citizens take before CW2?


20 posted on 02/08/2013 10:35:04 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: marsh2

Unfortunately, they left out the important clause...

WHEREAS, the strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 10:55:34 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: umgud

Link?

I don’t want to spend money on stuff I wanted to buy later....


22 posted on 02/09/2013 12:42:43 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Texas Fossil

I will.....abolutely be gone six months after they pull their draconian Shiite(crap...whatever)....

I’LL be in NV....

FK CA....if they pull this Satanic, Devil Worship, Kommunistah Crap, by God, I’ll leave this beautiful state and consider it a vacation spot like France.

Somethin to visit...occasssionally or however undocemented migrants speel it....


23 posted on 02/09/2013 12:47:25 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: marsh2

If new atavistic laws are enacted in CA and those counties will protect the 2A, I’d consider moving there so I could be near my Pacific Ocean.

I don’t want to leave the San Fransicko Bay Area but, I will, if my inalienable right is infringed upon.


24 posted on 02/09/2013 12:52:54 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: NTHockey

The thing about Enfield is it allows the wasting of tons of agitants from 50 yrds out for the avg rifler.

Fer meself, I want a Garand old style or a modern Springfield M1A.

Don’t care what Kalibeer.

I’ll take my time....


25 posted on 02/09/2013 12:57:50 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Texas Fossil

Barry is a poosy and a sympton.

He’s herpes on America....


26 posted on 02/09/2013 12:59:24 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

The “Pro 1st Amendment” community is confused about who has the power.

They believe, in direct contravention to the Constitution, is granted by the government.

Effing idiots.

A government subsumed and sobserviant to the people ensures the will of the people, a free.people, is observed and represented.

Spelling is double entendre, for my Lamo friends watching... U suck ...


27 posted on 02/09/2013 1:05:43 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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If they wish to ignore the Constitution, they are also ignoring the document that created them, making the entire government illegal and invalid. Maybe not a bad idea, considering...


28 posted on 02/09/2013 1:29:26 AM PST by Cololeo (`)
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To: Texas Fossil

Indeed, that’s a problem. Quite a few people support the Second Amendment, who are otherwise leftists. They can’t seem to understand the connection between the erosion of people’s rights in the big picture, and the undermining of the Second Amendment. So they’ll move to a red state for their gun rights, and then begin the process of undermining people’s rights and liberties in other aspects, then get all surprised when the enforcer of the rest-the 2A-is put on the chopping block.


29 posted on 02/09/2013 1:33:43 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: neverdem

No, they’ll move to a red state where the 2A is duly respected, then start with their “conservation” mess, the EPA doing its land grabs, wealth redistribution, etc, and then never understand why the people they elected to carry out these agendas would also want to take their guns away.


30 posted on 02/09/2013 1:36:21 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

They certainly say that since Roe vs Wade is a done deal, the right needs to just “drop it, it’s the law of the land now”. They always want us to give up opposing legislation with which we disagree, but they never stop chipping, chipping away at the 2A, which has been around a lot longer than their baby murder law.


31 posted on 02/09/2013 1:39:30 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: umgud
I believe that law was that all sales of long guns was to be reported to the state DOJ. This new proposal requires all gun to be “registered’ regardless of when they were purchased or if you move to California with guns from another state.

Essentially if you don't go down & tell them about every gun you own, you will be a criminal.

32 posted on 02/09/2013 2:01:06 AM PST by rjamesca
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To: NTHockey
Also, lawmakers proposed a ban on the sale of any long gun with a detachable magazine, classifying such guns as assault weapons.

Ruger 10/22 qualifies.

Looks to me like this is their roadmap. You outlaw firearms by first outlawing assault weapons and then redefining every firearm as an assault weapon.

33 posted on 02/09/2013 2:10:56 AM PST by j. earl carter
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To: Vendome

Shot both. I’ll stake my life on the M-1.


34 posted on 02/09/2013 3:28:30 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: neverdem

Meanwhile, the CA economy burns and out of control spending continues. Someone needs to stand up and call these people out. Stop the focus on the destruction of our rights, and do the job OUR MONEY pays you to do - stop managing the state like a bunch of two year olds!


35 posted on 02/09/2013 5:47:53 AM PST by ggrrrrr23456
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To: neverdem

A citizens initiative to Amend the Constitution of California:

All Laws Restricting, Limiting, or Infringing on ANY Inalienable Right Enumerated in the United States Constitution, Shall Only APPLY to Government.


36 posted on 02/09/2013 5:54:31 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Still Thinking
The Bill of Rights are rights that men are given by God, not by man or the Central Government.

The founders understood this clearly and wrote extensively about it. It is the current crop of lawyers who think that is obsolete and archaic. They are Traitors. They often do not believe in God. Now, there is an eternal price they pay for that.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

37 posted on 02/09/2013 5:57:26 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: neverdem

Looks like the feds are getting getting ready and doing practice shooting teenage citizens with all of the thousands of rounds of ammo ordered by the feds.

FDA guards shoot 15-year-old boy outside lab in Wash.

Published February 08, 2013

| Associated Press

SEATTLE – Security guards outside a Food and Drug Administration lab in suburban Bothell shot and wounded a teen Friday after the boy struck one guard with a car, Snohomish County authorities said.

The 15-year-old boy was treated at a hospital for a gunshot wound to the foot, county sheriff’s spokeswoman Shari Ireton said. The teen was also involved in a non-injury hit-and-run accident after he fled from the lab’s parking lot, she said.

The boy was booked into juvenile detention in Everett for investigation of second-degree assault.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/08/fda-guards-shoot-15-year-old-boy-outside-lab-in-wash/print#ixzz2KPWOUnvc


38 posted on 02/09/2013 6:21:39 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: neverdem; All
And I thought Albany, NY went nuts!

Speaking of Albany:


39 posted on 02/09/2013 9:30:25 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: KeyLargo

Thanks for the link.


40 posted on 02/09/2013 10:25:28 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Syncro

Thanks for the link.


41 posted on 02/09/2013 10:26:34 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I will be there and I will ask that it be considered to be added.


42 posted on 02/09/2013 12:36:57 PM PST by marsh2
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To: marsh2

Nice! That’ll make them squeamish. Let us know how it goes.


43 posted on 02/09/2013 5:20:15 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Passed unanimously today:

RESOLUTION NO.

OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY OF SISKIYOU
IN SUPPORT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT
AND THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
‘””
WHEREAS, the American people have retained to themselves the right to “keep and bear arms” – a right not subject to infringement by Congress as is memorialized in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, as part of United States Bill of Rights, ratified on December 15, 1791; and,

WHEREAS, Cooper v. Aaron held that since the Supremacy Clause of Article VI made the U.S. Constitution the supreme law of the land and Marbury v. Madison gave the Supreme Court the power of judicial review, the precedent set forth in Brown v. Board of Education is the supreme law of the land and is therefore binding on all the states, regardless of any state laws contradicting it; and,

WHEREAS, a landmark decisions issued by the United States Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller established that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess a firearm from federal infringement unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that Arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as, but not limited to, self-defense within the home; and,

WHEREAS, the Court in McDonald v. City of Chicago established that the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution extended protection of the individual right to keep and bear arms to the several States under due process provisions of that Amendment; and,

WHEREAS, the strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government; and,

WHEREAS, the government of California has repeatedly released violent criminals back into its’ lawfull society; and,

WHEREAS, according to Merriam Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, the word “infringement” means “an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege” – in other words a violation or constraint upon a right; and,

WHEREAS, sadly, recent high profile events within our country have sparked discussions of gun-control at the local, state and federal levels, which have advanced proposed legislation which professes to address gun violence, while, in fact, infringes upon Second Amendment rights - (this has included numerous gun and ammunition control proposals, outright gun bans as well as registration schemes that would convert the right into a revocable privilege); and,

WHEREAS, the County of Siskiyou’s economy is supported by family ranching, farming and natural resource businesses, and that the right to keep and bear Arms is fundamental to our right to protect our families, our property, our livestock, and our livelihood; and,

WHEREAS, as a “frontier county,” hunting for food is a practice among many residents and, as a sport, hunting makes an important contribution to the local economy; and,

WHEREAS, the residents of this County respect the rights protected by the Second Amendment through the recognition and support of responsible firearm ownership, training and awareness; and,

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Board of Supervisors of the County of Siskiyou supports all discussions seeking new ideas to protect our citizens from violence but cannot abide by any order, provision, law or agency initiative that violates the protections of the Second Amendment.

PASSED AND ADOPTED by the Board of Supervisors of the County of Siskiyou County at a regular meeting of said Board, held the 12th day of February, 2013, by the following vote of said Board:

[unanimous] ayes: Armstrong, Kobseff, Bennett, Criss, Valenzuela

noes: none


44 posted on 02/12/2013 4:42:09 PM PST by marsh2
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To: marsh2

Nice. Kudos to your supervisors. Somehow I don’t think we’ll get the same resolution passed down here in Santa Clara County.


45 posted on 02/12/2013 9:23:00 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

They fell all over themselves to pass it - even the two Dems (even the one from woo woo liberal Mt. Shasta.) The Sheriff was also there in support and the house was packed - not one person opposed.


46 posted on 02/13/2013 12:06:09 PM PST by marsh2
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