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Allegiance to more than the flag
San Francisco Chronicle / SFGate.com ^ | Updated 3:01 am, Friday, February 8, 2013 | Chip Johnson, Chronicle Columnist

Posted on 02/09/2013 12:26:56 AM PST by thecodont

The Pledge of Allegiance has taken it on the chin over the years.

Everything from the clause "one nation under God" to its recitation in public schools and public meetings has been challenged.

This week, El Cerrito City Councilman Mark Friedman proposed eliminating the custom from the start of each council meeting.

"I've always had problems with the Pledge of Allegiance," said Friedman, whose politics were shaped in the fiery days of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in his hometown, Chicago.

In his argument to end the custom, Friedman said that in a world without "liberty and justice for all," the pledge has lost its meaning. And in an interconnected global society, relationships between people have become more important than diplomatic ties between nation-states.

"We are one planet," Friedman said.

Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed on the council Tuesday night. Friedman's proposal died for a lack of support, and his alternative - to replace the word "flag" with "people of El Cerrito" - also failed to win approval.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/johnson/article/Allegiance-to-more-than-the-flag-4261347.php#ixzz2KO7QYWXp

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: citycouncil; elcerritoca; pledgeofallegiance

1 posted on 02/09/2013 12:27:13 AM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont
Most Liberals despise the Pledge of Allegiance because they say that you are praising a piece of cloth ("All that for a damn Flag!!)

What the Liberals don't realize (or ignore) is the pledge is not only to a flag..."but to the Republic, for which it stands". The pledge is a pledge of allegiance (i.e., a show of patriotism) to America. When Liberals began to protest saying the pledge in school, it was the beginning of the decline in America.

2 posted on 02/09/2013 1:18:22 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: thecodont
Friedman said that in a world without "liberty and justice for all," the pledge has lost its meaning

It is a world without liberty and justice for all. But he is not pledging allegiance to the world. Just to America, where Liberty is enshrined in our Constitution and Justice is blind.

Oh sure, there is corruption. Man sins. But that is the whole point taking/making the pledge. You pledge to honor the ideal and not be corrupt. Very important imho for public figures especially.

3 posted on 02/09/2013 2:26:30 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: thecodont

# the global society. It’s a fantasy for the deranged.


4 posted on 02/09/2013 2:54:33 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric

Sad thing is in the global society, “Mark Friedman” goes to the death camp for being a Jew.

For people that are known for their intelligence, when it comes to the common sense gene, they are missing a few.

Sorry, as a Jew it both saddens and embarrasses me.


5 posted on 02/09/2013 3:36:13 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
What the Liberals don't realize (or ignore) is the pledge is not only to a flag..."but to the Republic, for which it stands"

Right you are, Cowboy Bob AND to the virtues and founding ideals upon which the Republic stands!

6 posted on 02/09/2013 4:26:44 AM PST by McBuff
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To: thecodont

“Friedman said that in a world without “liberty and justice for all,” the pledge has lost its meaning.”

I don’t understand how people say “under God” with a straight face (given the abortion/gay marriage/divorce issues); that phrase alone is why the pledge will disappear. As long as there is a Bible (and Torah, and Koran), the leftist freaks trying to distort those faiths into a liberal agenda are doomed to fail (as have any attempts to re-create God as a permissive lib). Since they can’t discredit the source, they must discredit He who inspired the authors.


7 posted on 02/09/2013 4:33:09 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: thecodont

I wonder how nut jobs like this get elected.

Perhaps they don’t divulge their lack of love of country until after they are elected.

To me this man should find someplace else to live.

Certainly liberty and justice is a proper goal for us all to thrive for, but too many people believe liberty and justice means not having to work and receiving charity from those who do.


8 posted on 02/09/2013 4:45:04 AM PST by Venturer
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To: kearnyirish2

What a shame you included the Koran in your list of holy texts.

The Bible and the Torah came from God Himself. The Koran came from a mentally insane sexual deviant.


9 posted on 02/09/2013 5:23:36 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: thecodont
In his argument to end the custom, Friedman said that in a world without "liberty and justice for all," the pledge has lost its meaning. And in an interconnected global society, relationships between people have become more important than diplomatic ties between nation-states.

Either an ignorant twit or deliberately misinforming. Those who oppose Freedom always cherry-pick, whether it be the Bible, the Constitution, or any other good work. He is saying that we cannot praise the USA for being "one Nation under God, with Liberty and Justice for all" because all the socialists in the world and all the dictators who oppress their people don't provide what we set as a standard. Like any Lefty, he would rather destroy the good that exists than raise those who suffer out of the depths because in the interim "it just ain't fair that Freedom exists in some places but not others".

10 posted on 02/09/2013 5:33:04 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: thecodont

“We are one planet,” Friedman said.

NO, WE ARE NOT. This is the kind of BS they’ve been peddling in the EUSSR for a decade. “Well, we live in the age of mass communication, so we might as well get rid of the nations and all just be citizens of the planet.”

This is what Stalin and his ilk wanted. The nation state is part of who we are. This crackpot should be deported.


11 posted on 02/09/2013 5:52:18 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The relationship Jews keep with Leftism is simply unexplainable.


12 posted on 02/09/2013 6:28:31 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: thecodont

“...in a world without “liberty and justice for all...”

There’s the point. The pledge of allegiance is *not* to “the world”, as socialists would like, but to the United States, a nation.

And socialists do not like nations, as they see them as meaningless social constructs, like they see marriage, and nuclear families, and (other peoples) money, and religion, etc.

To socialists, the pledge of allegiance is just like making them worship to God that they do not believe exists, to admitting that people are different, that nations have a value, that symbols of nationality are important, that a Republican form of government is better than a feudal socialist one with an elite and a peasantry, and that the nation is a united whole without socialism being needed at all.


13 posted on 02/09/2013 7:19:14 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Well, I’m a conservative, and I despise the Pledge. Apart from its breathtaking cynicism, frankly I already have a religion.


14 posted on 02/09/2013 8:40:35 AM PST by Romulus
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To: Viennacon
“We are one planet,” Friedman said.

NO, WE ARE NOT. This is the kind of BS they’ve been peddling in the EUSSR for a decade. “Well, we live in the age of mass communication, so we might as well get rid of the nations and all just be citizens of the planet.”

This is why Nicholas Kristoff of the NY Times pushed so hard to sell "citizen of the world" BO to the masses in 2007.

Libs are lazy. It's easier to love the guy in Italy who "friended" you on Facebook than your neighbor right next door.

It's harder, but ultimately more worthwhile, to be a citizen of a representative republic.

Kudos to you, Mr. Johnson (if you are reading this) for your article.

15 posted on 02/09/2013 8:49:14 AM PST by thecodont
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To: Cowboy Bob

“Most Liberals despise the Pledge of Allegiance because they say that you are praising a piece of cloth (”All that for a damn Flag!!)
What the Liberals don’t realize (or ignore) is the pledge is not only to a flag...”but to the Republic, for which it stands”. The pledge is a pledge of allegiance (i.e., a show of patriotism) to America. When Liberals began to protest saying the pledge in school, it was the beginning of the decline in America.”

You have your history backwards and upside down! The origins of the Pledge of Allegiance have roots deep into the history of state control of society, socialism, Marxism, Progressivism, and Communism. In 1857 Thomas W. Valentine organized the National Education Association (NEA), the first nationwide association of professional educators in the United States. One of its earliest goals was to bring about the establishment of a Department of Education in the U.S. Government co-equal with the War Department, the Department of Interior, and other Federal departments. This Department of Education was envisaged to introduced a centralized and state controlled system of education in the United States that was patterned after the Prussian state controlled educational systeem and curriculum. The NEA subsequently went on to become what is now the largest labor union in the United States. The NEA is supportive of and supported by Democrats, Progressives, socialists, and communists in opposition to Republicans, conservatives, non-union educators, and home schooling.

The NEA was behind the efforts to organize schools nationwide, and adopt standard curricula and standardized textbooks conforming to NEA approved political and social standards. One of these standards was to associate the NEA with prmoting teachers and schools as patriotic institution in American society, and began a strong promotion of using the National Flag as a symbol of their teaching profession’s importance in the community and the nation. The NEA promoted the purchase of a U.S. Flag to be used at every schoolhouse in America.

The “Youth companion was a publication started in 1827 as a publication promoting religious values. Very popular as a family oriented publication, its orientation began to change in the late 19th Century to provide entertainment as a means of improving sales revenue from subscriptions. By 1888 the “Youth companion” was offering a U.S. Flag as a premium to promote subscriptions while also promoting the use of a U.S. Flag at every schoolhouse in America.

In 1891, the publisher, Daniel Sharp Ford, hired Francis Julius Bellamy to work with his own nephew, James B. Upham, to work on promoting the “Youth Companion” by further promoting the use of U.S. Flags at American schoolhouses. Francis Julius Bellamy was a preacher and a Christian socialist. He was a promoter of the nationalization of schools and most other public services and opposed to private schools and the private owsership and management of those services. He sought the state led redustribution of wealth to achieve economic equality and social justice. His views on these social andd political issues were like those of his then famous cousin, Edward Bellamy, who was a national leader seeking the Federal and state nationalization of all private services to the public in the name of economic and social equality, fairness, and social justice. Francis Bellamy’s sermons regarding socialism provoked his church congregation to oust him from the church. Upon his hiring by Daniel S. Ford, he endavored to practice his socialist goals through his work at the publication with James B. Upham.

In 1892, James B. Upham came up with the idea to use the Columbian Exposition and 400th anniversary of Columbus’ discovery of America to promote the U.S. Flag and subscriptions to the “Youth Companion.” To further stimulate sales and adoption of the premium flages, the publication supported schools celebrating the Columbian anniversary with U.S. Flags with a new pledge of allegiance. Although Francis Bellamy is credited with writing the Pledge of Allegiance, the Upham family found a earler handwritten draft of the pleedge which they believe Upham could not take credit for because of company policy. In any event, Upham and Bellamy brought about the publication of the Pledge of Allegiance as part of the commercial promotion and in part to support the further nationalization of the educational system versus private schools.

In 1942, the Pledge of Allegiance was made an official pleddge by a national law sought by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. In much the same way as Stalin sought to supress dissideence against his regime by equating loyalty to the motherland with loyalty to the Stalinist regime, president Roosevelt used the official adoption of the Pledge of Allegiance to further discourage Republican dissidence against his labor union and other policies by appealing to the loyalties of U.S. Citizens during the war emergency. However, the salute with outstretched arm brought to the brow was replaced with the hand over the haert salute, to avoid comparisons to the Hitelrian NAZI salute with outstretched arm.Although presideent Roosevelt’s efforts to nationalize under his central government control much of the public servvices with the help of the labor unions, including the NEA, had failed in many important instances, such as the packing of the Supreme Court with his own extra appointees; Roosevelt did succeed in fchampioning the idea of social justice and socialist redistributions of wealth by the Federal Government. The NEA and its domination of the educational system assisted these efforts through its ever broadening of social indoctrination of generations of American school children. These same school children have been indocrtinated to accept the Pledge of Allefiance as a demonstration of patriotic loyalty to the United States “with liberty and [social] justice for all, with the “social” being implied through schoold curricula and President Rooseveelt’s Second Bill of Rights and the United Nations. Conspicuously absent from the Pledge of Allegiance and the NEA and state sponsered curricula is the existence, importance, and the role of the Oath of Allegiance, which is supplanted by the Pledge of Allegiance in public life.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 9:27:32 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: upchuck

The Koran came in large part from the Torah; Mohammed simply used the Old Testament as the root of his new religion. It is no coincidence that “kosher” and “halal” are so similar; they share the same source.


17 posted on 02/09/2013 9:50:25 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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