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Dangerous Times: Italy stares Into the Abyss (A Neo-Fascist named Beppe Grillo is rising to fame)
American Thinker ^ | 02/09/2013 | James Lewis and Justine Aristea

Posted on 02/09/2013 6:03:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Italy lost 700,000 Italians in World War I, and then immediately voted in Mussolini's fascists, which militarized the whole of Italian society.

If you wonder why Italians cheat on their taxes today, it's because they have 25 centuries of experience with nasty tyrants like Mussolini.

Well, Mussolini gambled and went to war on Hitler's side, and Italy lost another half million people in WW II.

Make it a round 1.3 million Italians dead from very, very bad gambles -- not to mention all the non-Italians they killed.

What is astonishing is that Italy, having been punished twice in the 20th century by losing 1.3 million Italians -- and killing a lot more foreigners -- is staring into same bottomless abyss again. There must be something hypnotic about that dark Road to Hell. They can't stop looking, like a deer staring into the headlights of an oncoming truck.

Today, a politician named Beppe Grillo is rising to fame and fortune. His Italian audiences are laughing themselves silly at Beppe's neo-fascist schtick. Tomorrow... maybe they won't laugh.

Like the rest of the Europe, Italy today is noisily shouting how peace-loving it is.

Just like the old Soviet Union.

The problem is that the Euro Union fantasy world is now breaking down all over, and southern Europe is suffering from all those promises peddled by Tony Blair's Third Way Socialism; they can't afford to keep the euro anymore, because it makes Italian exports way too expensive. Many customers can't afford to buy Italian any more.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beppegrillo; europeanunion; eussr; fascism; italy; notmorefascists; nutjobsonfr; postfascism

1 posted on 02/09/2013 6:03:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Some people say Beppe Grillo is just a comedian, which is how he has made his living most of his life. Some people say gruesome Grillo is paving the way for neo-neo-neo of the murdering kind.

Says Beppe Grillo on his blog and YouTube performances:

“Yes, the Jews were sent to Auschwitz! The problem is that two kilometers from Auschwitz there was an IG Farben factory. Farben is called BAYER today.”


2 posted on 02/09/2013 6:03:53 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Where’s the problem? The 1.3 million and more are being nicely replaced by Muslims.


3 posted on 02/09/2013 6:09:42 AM PST by golf lover (goingf)
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To: SeekAndFind

His comment must lose something in the translation. I’m not getting the humor, or the insight, or the snark, or anything.


4 posted on 02/09/2013 6:10:41 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Facsim, Nationalism, Anti-Liberalism... it is all coming back because the opposite has not worked.


5 posted on 02/09/2013 6:15:14 AM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: ClearCase_guy

READ ON...

While Jewish men, women and children were being killed in Auschwitz, some were forced into slave labor at IG Farben or wherever else the Nazis wanted labor. That’s the smidgen of truth in Beppe’s barrel of lies.

“IG Farben: ‘’but they weren’t killed by the Nazis, they were killed by Jews, so Jews killed their Jews ..., it is so strange that there were killed 6 million of Jews, more than their whole population, maybe they were only 600.000, I mean that those 6 million Jews are today in America...”

It is important to understand Beppe’s paranoid thinking here.

Around six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis, with the help of other European regimes.

There are more than six million Jews in the United States today, so with typical paranoid logic, Beppe jumps from six million murder victims in 1945 to six million living American Jews in 2013.

Six million Jews murdered in places like Auschwitz “equals” six million living American Jews today.

Get it? I don’t either.

It’s paranoid thinking.

Paranoid thinking is important to understand. We see a fair amount of it in America today, and it’s an old, old European specialty.

Beppe’s Italian audiences lap it up.

Curiously enough, Beppe Grillo is married to a lady born in Iran, where children soak up Death to Israel! Death to America! slogans ... every single day of the week. So do all the soldiers, bureaucrats, Revolutionary Guards, and the Basiji — the regimes imported thugs from the countryside.
Beppe tells the world that “Everything I know about the Middle East I learned from my father-in-law!”

After marrying his Iranian wife, by some miracle, Beppe suddenly got a lot richer. His public career took off, and from being a comedian he became a politician. Or maybe just an idealistic truth-teller to a corrupt Italian state.


6 posted on 02/09/2013 6:15:28 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Facsim, Nationalism, Anti-Liberalism... it is all coming back because the opposite has not worked.


7 posted on 02/09/2013 6:15:38 AM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: SeekAndFind

-——Any scapegoat in a storm-——

That is a succinct summation of the reality.

He almost got it right but didn’t say it. America politics today are driven by the no more holocaust, at any price policies of the Democat party and the hosts of Jewish surrogates


8 posted on 02/09/2013 6:20:32 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: SeekAndFind

Europe has always looked towards strong man to provide solutions. It is almost inevitable that fascism will rise again in places where it has risen before, including Germany if Greece were to completely fail.


9 posted on 02/09/2013 6:22:20 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Italy in WWI was a sad case. Kept fighting the same battle over and over again with no ground gained.


10 posted on 02/09/2013 6:24:09 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: ClearCase_guy

Humor rarely translates well between languages and cultures.


11 posted on 02/09/2013 6:33:00 AM PST by MWS
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To: SeekAndFind
Mussolini was a top leader of the Italian socialist party. Socialists were anti-war (capitalist war, that is, they were pro-civil wars), anti-capitalist (ie freedom) and anti-nationalist (ie anti-Italian). There is a limited appeal to these beliefs. Mussolini changed from pro-civil war to pro-foreign war and anti-Italian to pro-Italian and swept into power and stayed there for 20 years.

Fascism is the logical result of failed international socialism. And what's the EU if not failed international socialism. Hell, even the EU is getting in the foreign war game by backing France in Mali.

12 posted on 02/09/2013 6:49:14 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: SeekAndFind

New world order spew in that article.

NWO has always framed both sides of the argument: lefist/communism on one hand, right-wing “fascism” on the other.

When one publishes both sides of an argument, one has control of both sides of the argument.

NWO sets up the fascist side of the argument to be “crazy” paranoid by actually telling part of their own conspiracy, but leaving out a few parts. The conspiracy (that they float) therefore appears wacky. Thereafter, the public throws out the baby with the bathwater, and thinks that any talk of NWO is a crazy conspiracy theory. What a simple but ingenius way to hide bad actions.

NWO sets up two sides of an argument to cause fighting and agitation - using both sides. They care not if millions of Jews, muzzies, Christians, atheists or anyone else dies. Anyone who would start a war does not care if millions die, regardless of who they are. NWO sees war as the most efficient way for them to change society. And they finance the war as well as the rebuilding after. The lenders to governments love war. Mostly they love total war, where cities get destroyed. War on a battlefield with no destruction of civilian life and property, though much more gentlemenly, does not require nearly the loans of a war that leaves a whole nation in ruins.

This story leaves out a few trinkets. NWO was embedded in the nazi regime as their bankers and industrialists. NWO is never mentioned in this story. Connections between American capital and the nazi’s are left out, as are connections between Iran and Anglo-American and nazi intelligence and business operations.

The U.S. State dept and the CIA are tools of nwo; CIA since its inception and State dept for over a century.

Having stoked this comedian into telling part of the standard “fascist” story, the comedian can then be labeled a nut, the flames of agitation can be fanned and nwo continues to be the stuff of “conspiracy theories”.

Nwo has set up the mideast to be in constant turmoil.

Mentioning Iran is always a great way to get American conservatives to beat the war drums. Nwo knows how to play American conservatives. I know, I am one. Let’s do ourselves a favor and start looking into nwo. IMHO, private interests purposefully agitating behind the scenes to cause a war - is an act of war itself.

Mussolini is always pictured as having “joined” in with Hitler rather than predating him, for what it’s worth. Hitler himself was a “manufactured” leader the way so many leaders have been over the last century. Without his backers he never would have risen to power and Germany would not have had the resources for the mechanized war it fought, and have it last very long.

The rebuilding of Europe after WWII, as well as its socialism, was all engineered by nwo representatives as the Marshall plan. Are we to believe that European politicians on their own thought up the idea of bankrupting their own governments ? Did American politicians come up with the idea of bankrupting the U.S. government on their own ? Please, American politicians haven’t had an idea of their own in well over a hundred years.

I’m not going to get mad because the nwo tells me I should.

Oh, and I’m still nationalist, sorry nwo. I know nwo loves to paint the word nationalist as evil: everything I’ve read in the past 50 years has painted nationalism as evil. Trouble is, nwo has been behind the scenes agitating. THAT is where the wars of the 20th century came from.

Thanks, nwo !


13 posted on 02/09/2013 7:11:51 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just tell the people how great they are, that the problems were not their doing, and that we will take care of the problems just vote for us.


14 posted on 02/09/2013 7:17:58 AM PST by MCF
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To: SeekAndFind
the mutt looks more like a clown than a comedian...
15 posted on 02/09/2013 7:25:00 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well - we have a neo-fascist in the presidency here and all of the moochers and communists love him.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 7:29:14 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Mussolini was a top leader of the Italian socialist party.

True. Also true is the fact that both Mussolini and Hitler were revered by American Progressives right up until the point that Hitler turned on Stalin.

17 posted on 02/09/2013 7:42:34 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is a reason for this: fascism is the last functional social system other than the original conception of the American liberal (in its classical meaning) republic to survive the winnowing of history. Monarchy doesn’t work on a large scale, communism and social democracy bankrupt themselves, but fascism, with the populace given just enough freedom to keep a market economy working, while the state directs everything else, managed long runs in the Iberian peninsula and Latin America, and has replaced communism in most nominally communist states (the DPRK being the exception) where it’s working better than the old ideology, Obama’s programs are (as the CEO of Whole Foods rightly noted) fascist rather than socialist.

Republican virtue takes too much individual effort, so I’m afraid at this point in history, the default setting for political organization is fascist.

What upsets the European “left” is that folks like Grillo and the Greek Golden Dawn represent a competing fascism that sees the local national culture as worth preserving, rather than the pan-European multiculturalist fascism centered in Brussels.


18 posted on 02/09/2013 9:33:22 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Bayer company dates back to the mid-19th century. They discovered aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid).

Is it OK now to buy Bayer aspirin, or is the brand still tainted by the Nazi association?

One of my father's favorite jokes was of the man who walks into a drugstore and asks for acetylsalicylic acid. The druggist asks him, "Do you mean aspirin?" The man says, "Yes--I can never remember that name."

19 posted on 02/09/2013 10:36:25 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

The nazi taint is not about aspirin.

What’s disturbing is the new world order, which backs totalitarian regimes and quietly, hidden in public view, continues to occupy the critical leadership spots in America as it has for the last century.

The nazi taint is simply one bit of evidence of new world order.


20 posted on 02/09/2013 12:14:37 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Olog-hai; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind.
Italy lost 700,000 Italians in World War I, and then immediately voted in Mussolini's fascists, which militarized the whole of Italian society... Mussolini gambled and went to war on Hitler's side, and Italy lost another half million people in WW II... is staring into same bottomless abyss again... a politician named Beppe Grillo is rising to fame and fortune. His Italian audiences are laughing themselves silly at Beppe's neo-fascist schtick... Like the rest of the Europe, Italy today is noisily shouting how peace-loving it is. Just like the old Soviet Union... southern Europe is suffering from all those promises peddled by Tony Blair's Third Way Socialism; they can't afford to keep the euro anymore, because it makes Italian exports way too expensive. Many customers can't afford to buy Italian any more.

21 posted on 02/09/2013 9:48:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Silvio Berlusconi’s “People of Freedom” composite political party was and is filled with fascists, yet the press hardly says a thing about that; Berlusconi himself is an apologist for fascists and fascism. When Gianni Alemanno was elected mayor of Rome, crowds were chanting “Duce, Duce” and brandishing the fascist salute. Grillo is nothing new. Italy is much further gone than you’d even know if you were to read the mainstream media.


22 posted on 02/09/2013 11:08:17 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Verginius Rufus

I’m like that. Can easily remember the chemical names of my blood pressure meds, but have never once recalled the brand names.


23 posted on 02/09/2013 11:12:49 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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