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Dem senators: Legalized illegal immigrants will have to wait around 10 years to apply for green card
Hotair ^ | 02/09/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 02/09/2013 6:21:21 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Worth noting now since it’s potentially another sticking point between Rubio and the rest of the Gang of Eight who desperately need him to sell immigration reform to the right. By now, everyone knows the main bone of contention between him and Schumer et al. Rubio wants the path to citizenship implemented only after border enforcement increases; Democrats want it implemented concurrently with — and independent of — the new security measures. (Both sides agree that probationary legal status will be granted immediately, though. Ahem.) Read the fine print on their proposals, though, and you’ll find another disagreement. Namely, once the path to citizenship is in effect, how long will it/should it take for a newly legalized illegal to become eligible for permanent resident status (i.e. a green card)? Here’s what Rubio told Red State:

First, those who have violated our immigration laws must come forward and undergo a background check. If they have committed a serious crime, they will be deported. If they have not, they will have two choices. They can avail themselves of the current law which requires them to return to their native country, wait ten years and then apply for a green card. Or if they decide to remain in the United States, they will do so under the equivalent of a non-immigrant work permit by paying a substantial fine and back taxes. If they choose the non-immigrant work visa, they will not qualify for any federal benefits, including ObamaCare.

Those who choose the non-immigrant work permit will not be allowed to apply for a green card for a substantial period of time. And they will not be allowed to apply until the enforcement mechanisms outlined above are in place. Thereafter, once these conditions are met, and if they have not violated any laws while holding the work permit, the only thing they will be allowed to do is apply for a green card using the same process everyone else uses. That is, they apply, they wait in line behind everyone who has applied before them and when their turn comes up, they have to qualify for one of the existing green card programs.

I noticed the “substantial period of time” language last week and speculated that “substantial” must mean “more than 10 years.” Otherwise, there’s no strong incentive for an illegal immigrant who wants citizenship to choose the first option offered by Rubio, leaving the U.S. and applying for a green card through normal channels after waiting, er … 10 years. Granted, you could avoid the “substantial fine and back taxes” that are a condition of obtaining a work visa by going that route, and if — if — Rubio gets his way on using enforcement as a trigger for citizenship, you’d avoid whatever extra small delay is involved before the border is officially certified as “secure.” But if they’re serious about punishing illegals by sending them to the back of the line behind law-abiding green-card applicants, how can the wait time be roughly the same for both groups?

And yet, if Durbin and Menendez have their way, it will be:

The process “is likely to be in the range of 10 years, I say in the range because we have not nailed this down,” Durbin said. He said various factors go into the timeline, including the need to establish border security first, something Republicans have insisted on…

“If you think about it, under current law there is a 10-year bar, so the bottom line is you would have to wait anyway,” Menendez said. “The difference is you would get the opportunity to be here, to come forward, to work, to travel, and in doing so to earn your pathway” to citizenship.

Surely immigration advocates must be pleased that illegals will face approximately the same time frame for permanent residency as other applicants, right? Wrong:

A green card is the crucial first step toward citizenship although it takes up to five years for a green card holder to become a citizen under current law. So if it takes 10 years to get a green card, the total wait time for citizenship could be closer to 15, advocates fear.

“We understand that bipartisan lawmaking requires compromise. But we think waiting 15 years for a chance to become a citizen is too long,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice. “We will continue to fight for a clear, direct and inclusive path to citizenship that has achievable requirements and a more reasonable time frame.”

Translation: Democrats don’t have a lot of leeway with immigration special-interest groups to make the “substantial period of time” much more substantial than 10 years. Which is ironic, because the group they’re ostensibly fighting for here — illegals — might very well accept Rubio’s longer time frame for citizenship in exchange for the right to work legally in America immediately. That’s been Raul Labrador’s point all along: Most illegals he’s encountered as an immigration lawyer don’t care about becoming citizens, he claims, they care about jobs. Democrats, of course, care about the opposite; they’re willing to supply cheap labor to business even if it depresses wages for U.S. citizens in the expectation that they’ll net millions more Latino votes a decade or so from now. (And big labor is happy to support them in the expectation that today’s illegal worker is tomorrow’s legalized dues-paying union member.) So the 10-year timeline for green-card eligibility may budge a little among Schumer and crew but it won’t budge much. Will Rubio?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; greencard; illegal; immigration

1 posted on 02/09/2013 6:21:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Any scheme to legalize aliens here must include an iron clad NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.
2 posted on 02/09/2013 6:29:16 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: SeekAndFind

So for a little bit of a fee, they can stay here, ahead of the line and after committing multiple crimes, living like a regular American until they receive their citizenship—which we know won’t be long at all.

Disgusting.


3 posted on 02/09/2013 6:34:40 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Yo-Yo
Immigration is about what is good for America and Americans. Illegal invaders are not the focus. Legal immigration that imports talented, skilled people is good for America. Invasion is not good.

Until the borders are secure, all the talk is a waste of time.

What's good for Americans?

4 posted on 02/09/2013 6:38:20 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Yo-Yo
Any scheme to legalize aliens here must include an iron clad NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.
5 posted on 02/09/2013 6:40:24 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Yo-Yo
Any scheme to legalize aliens here must include an iron clad NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

Citizenship is really not the issue. Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are over four million intending immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally. They have done the requiremed paperwork, background checks, physicals, and paid their fees. When you reward something you get more of it.

6 posted on 02/09/2013 6:44:00 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind
What about those who have no interest in citizenship? Even if they shore up border security and enforcement at the border, what about the ridiculous profiling lawsuits the DOJ files whenever States try to enforce the law? What about the Feds refusal to prosecute and deport those rounded up by the States and turned over to them? Until a plan is in place to deal with the illegals who are already here and refuse to comply with any new legislation, this is all much ado about nothing.
7 posted on 02/09/2013 6:44:55 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: 9YearLurker
No, no, no ... you got it all wrong ...

Trumka is working to HIRE them and make them union members.

THAT way, when brought before a magistrate or judge, they can say, "Yes your honor .. with the _______________ at 22 bucks an hour"

Oh .. well ... in THAT case, I fine you $5,000. Go and sin no more"

8 posted on 02/09/2013 6:45:39 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Legal immigration that imports talented, skilled people is good for America.

Our current legal immigration system does not import talented skilled people. Most of the 1.2 million legal immigrants who enter this country annually are unskilled, uneducated, and poor. We are importing poverty, which is why 56% of immigrant-headed households with children tare on welfare. 25% of adult legal immigrants lack even a high school degree. Each year we are importing hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts.

9 posted on 02/09/2013 6:51:48 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

This should be the deal. We will give illegals a green card, but they will have no voting privileges in the U.S. because they broke the law by sneaking into the country. They are felons, living here under false pretenses, ofter guilty of identity theft and accessing social services that are forbidden to illegals.

Voting is not a constitutional right. States do not have to let felons or the mentally ill cast ballots, even though in some states, these groups are Democrat base voters.


10 posted on 02/09/2013 6:51:48 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

RE: but they will have no voting privileges in the U.S.

At this point in time, I am not even sure that non-citizens aren’t voting in our elections. Remember this — there many places where showing one’s identification is not required ( mine for instance ).


11 posted on 02/09/2013 6:59:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: txrefugee

Why should we even consider giving illegals green cards?


12 posted on 02/09/2013 6:59:35 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: txrefugee
This should be the deal. We will give illegals a green card, but they will have no voting privileges in the U.S. because they broke the law by sneaking into the country. They are felons, living here under false pretenses, ofter guilty of identity theft and accessing social services that are forbidden to illegals.

No court would ever uphold two different classes of Legal Permanent Residents (green card holders.) They pay taxes, have SS numbers, qualify for welfare programs, are eligible for the draft, etc.

But the larger question is why would you reward them with the objective of their crime, i.e., to stay and work here? This is amnesty pure and simple whether they can vote or not. And they will be joined by their families thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification. Once they get their green cards, are you going to prevent them from being joined by their wives and children or aged parents?

Words have meanings. The Democrats and the mainstream media have hijacked the language surrounding the immigration issue to the point that we had Michael Chertoff, the Secretary of Homeland Security and our nation’s top immigration official at the time, testifying before Congress using the term “undocumented workers” to describe illegal aliens. John McCain and Barack Obama studiously avoided the term “amnesty” to describe their comprehensive immigration reform plans and despite the evidence, baldly declared that it was not an amnesty. Instead, they used such euphemisms as “getting to the back of the line,” “an earned path to citizenship,” and “coming out of the shadows.” The Democrats and pro-amnesty crowd know full well that the American people are against amnesty, hence the avoidance of the “A” word. Republicans need to develop their own immigration lexicon that cuts through this Orwellian use of language

13 posted on 02/09/2013 7:00:42 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind
Either legalize them or not. But “legalizing them but they cannot apply for a green card for 10 years” is legalized slavery. Not that I am surprised that our first “black” president brought back slavery...
14 posted on 02/09/2013 7:22:13 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I like Rush’s idea- no immigrants are allowed to vote for 18 years.

It is not like they have ‘skin in the game’ anyway.


15 posted on 02/09/2013 7:38:51 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: SeekAndFind

The process “is likely to be in the range of 10 years, I say in the range because we have not nailed this down,

Then they can wait in their home countries.

C’mon, Rubio,,,stand up to these jerkwads...


16 posted on 02/09/2013 7:43:35 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeh, border enforcement right after Obama has just announced they are cutting back on border security. Gee I wonder how thats going to work?


17 posted on 02/09/2013 7:49:11 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: kabar
What you said. I have said it before. All those democrat politicians are drooling over the idea of a permanent underclass of democrat voters. What their short-sightedness does not see is the elimination of their own jobs: John Smith(D) beats Sam Jones(R) in the next election, after amnesty, because of the swell of Dem voters. Ha Ha. At the next election, John Smith loses to Juan Ortiz-Rodriguez-Sanchez in the Dem primary and wins the election, schadenfruede. And Juan could not care less about any other constiuents except the "nueva electora". Thus, the Dem party is permanently altered. And corruption? You ain't seen nothin' yet.
18 posted on 02/09/2013 7:49:38 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Immigration is about what is good for America and Americans<<

Exactly!...or at least it should be, but in the wacko world of lib-think..... “fairness” is the watchword no matter how bad it hurts the country....They want equal numbers of rapists...robbers....handicapped....queers and God knows what else....it's all about making themselves “feel good”....... the selfish ba$tards

19 posted on 02/09/2013 7:52:35 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: SeekAndFind

These fence jumpers should be finger printed and DNA samples. Collected and sent back to where they came from along with any kids they illegally created here and NEVER be allowed to return.


20 posted on 02/09/2013 8:00:24 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: kabar
Republicans need to develop their own immigration lexicon that cuts through this Orwellian use of language

The Repubs need to say: We are adopting a similar immigration policy as Mexico and call it the Mexico Immigration Laws.

Let's see La Raza counter that! Now we can call them racists.

21 posted on 02/09/2013 8:04:40 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Actually, legal immigration supplies the Dems with all the voters they need. Amnesty just hastens the process. Every ten years of legal immigration is the equivalent of an amnesty.


22 posted on 02/09/2013 8:18:54 AM PST by kabar
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Rush is ill-informed on immigration. Legal immigration will make the Dems the permanent majority party. They don’t need amnesty. It just hastens the process.


23 posted on 02/09/2013 8:22:08 AM PST by kabar
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To: Adder
Then they can wait in their home countries.

Most of the illegals couldn't even qualify for a tourist visa, let alone a permanent immigrant visa. The politicians and the illegals know that.

24 posted on 02/09/2013 8:25:06 AM PST by kabar
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To: VRW Conspirator

Exactly...our immigration policy needs to be one of reciprocity. If your country doesn’t allow Americans to own property then you can’t own property.

If we are forced to maintain a bank account with X number of dollars, then you can’t ship all your money back to wherever...it needs to stay here.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 9:13:04 AM PST by willyd
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To: SeekAndFind

**Legalized illegal** immigrants will have to wait around 10 years to apply for green card.
In dog years.


26 posted on 02/09/2013 9:42:24 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind

And people call Rubio a “conservative”?...

Sounds like a bigger expansion of government than ObamaCare.

Less government is needed to deport

100% Deportation....anything else is Amnesty...and Liberalism


27 posted on 02/09/2013 10:12:59 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Actually, that is brilliant. It’s racist to dislike Mexico.

Most other Nations have and enforce entry, residency and citizen qualification laws. We we are the only ones who must abide the full economic, social and political brunt of a elitist policy of invasion as it serves the interests and strength of globalists, foreigners and their governments.


28 posted on 02/09/2013 12:51:32 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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