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Forensic evidence both supports, casts doubt on Zimmerman claims
ClickOrlando ^ | February 8, 2013 | Tony Pipitone WKMG-Local 6 News,

Posted on 02/09/2013 6:54:03 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Forensic evidence compiled in the killing of Trayvon Martin supports George Zimmerman's claim that Martin was leaning over him when he fired his gun, but casts doubt on Zimmerman's timeline on the night he shot and killed the unarmed teen, according to a review by a forensic expert for Local 6.

Michael Knox, a retired Jacksonville Sheriff's Office detective and crime scene investigator, published some of the findings in his book, "Intermediate Range: The Forensic Evidence in the Killing of Trayvon Martin" (available through Amazon.com here).

Knox and Local 6 calculated the exact moment Zimmerman slammed shut his door as he left his truck at 7:11:48 p.m. on Feb. 26, 2011 to follow Martin through the Retreat at Twin Lakes community.

Knox then retraced Zimmerman's footsteps, as Zimmerman described them in a reenactment for police videotaped the day after the shooting, and compared the results to a recording of Zimmerman's nonemergency call to Sanford police.

Among his conclusions:

If Zimmerman's retelling of the event were accurate, the confrontation Zimmerman described with Martin would have occurred much sooner than it actually did;

Zimmerman covered more time and distance after leaving his truck that night than he revealed to police;

based on the times and distances Zimmerman said he covered, Zimmerman would have still been on the phone with Sanford police when he claims he was attacked by Martin;

had Martin walked directly to his destination, his father’s girlfriend's townhome, he would have made it there safely before Zimmerman ended his nonemergency call to Sanford police;

Martin was in fact leaning over Zimmerman when the fatal shot was fired, just as Zimmerman has maintained.

(Excerpt) Read more at clickorlando.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: trayvonmartin; zimmerman

1 posted on 02/09/2013 6:54:10 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

What’s much sooner....If you’re into calculating, than you’re picking and choosing the time....aka...guessing


2 posted on 02/09/2013 6:57:11 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Uncle Chip

how could it possible be legal for an investigator to “published some of the findings in his book, “Intermediate Range: The Forensic Evidence in the Killing of Trayvon Martin” before this case even goes to court?

Sounds like either side can use it to call for a mistrial if they do not like the verdict


3 posted on 02/09/2013 7:00:42 AM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Uncle Chip

This so called forensic expert is working for Local 6 and is pushing his “no sales to date” book.


4 posted on 02/09/2013 7:01:56 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Uncle Chip
Relying on a person's recollections shortly after being involved in a traumatic event is foolish and should not even stand up as evidence. Nitpicking a timeline based on such, is beyond foolish, it is incompetent.
5 posted on 02/09/2013 7:03:16 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Uncle Chip
The timeline schtick from a hack pushing his book was done long before by the folks at the ConservativeTreehouse site.

What happened, and why, is not the issue. Regardless of what Zimmerman and martin did or said before the shots were fired is irrelevant, immaterial, and not germane.

What is important is that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and slamming Zimmerman's head against a concrete sidewalk. Said act IS justification for shooting Martin. Had Florida not been intimidated by activist blacks from Sharpton to Obama, this case would have never been filed.

6 posted on 02/09/2013 7:07:58 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Humm, retired Jacksonville detective, coincidence, exactly where the prosecutor is from.


7 posted on 02/09/2013 7:08:07 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Uncle Chip

http://www.linkedin.com/in/knoxandassociates


8 posted on 02/09/2013 7:08:12 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Mouton
So he gets his retirement check PLUS fees from his consultant business...plus a yacht (shhhh) and a bank account in the Bahamas (shhhh).

Smells pretty dirty doesn't it.

9 posted on 02/09/2013 7:10:52 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Uncle Chip
"Forensic evidence both supports, casts doubt on Zimmerman claims"

If you read the article is appears that the forensic evidence supports Zimmerman's claim. Sheer speculation based on a bogus reenactment supposedly "casts doubt" on it. How does this guy know how fast Zimmerman was walking/jogging to keep up with Martin?

10 posted on 02/09/2013 7:13:14 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Uncle Chip; All
This is deliberate manufacture and dissemination of fradulent evidence for the purpose of influencing the jury and trial.

The "timeline" assumes (without disclosure) all clocks on cellphones, computers and other electronic devices were synchronized, and that that they retraced the exact routes step for step with the exact same speeds and hesitations that Zimmerman and Martin enacted.

The angle and range of the gunshot wound is much harder to fabricate without discovery, so the "investigator" gave that to Zimmerman, as he would be caught trying to falsify that.

What he could manipulate is the overlapping timelines of the electronic devices because they are all incomplete and not synchronized. It's impossible to PROVE falsification.

11 posted on 02/09/2013 7:20:09 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The prosecution sent out trayvon’s cell phone to retreive its’ internal logs. The phone came back missing the 24 hours surrounding this incident.


12 posted on 02/09/2013 7:27:27 AM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: Sacajaweau
The way I read it -- the timeline is irrelevant. How does he know how long they were on the ground while Martin was bashing his head in???

What's important is that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating his head into the concrete when he was shot -- and those last 45 seconds when he was calling for help and none came.

Knox should know that. This backs up Zimmerman's self defense claim -- period.

13 posted on 02/09/2013 7:27:34 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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Mark Omara Press Conference Right After the Pre-trial Hearing - Feb 5, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GwwXM349fh0


14 posted on 02/09/2013 7:29:25 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Navy Patriot
He didn't even use the same make and model weapon and clothes for "splatter" evidence.

And he's not revealing the exact time frame...cuz he doesn't know....

Maybe I'll go back to where he's calling in from his truck and giving directions as to where he is.

This time thing is only cr** to confuse the jury. It doesn't change anything.

15 posted on 02/09/2013 7:29:56 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: GladesGuru

Florida’s Attorney General is Pam Bondi, who loudly proclaimed her friendship with Shyster Crump, the black lawyer representing the Martin family as head lawyer of their “Scheme Team” collection of race baiting alwyers.

While one must give AG Bondi a break for indulging her “Inner Blond”, the fact remains that Bondi was, is, and probably will continue to pander regarding teh Zimmerman case.

If black race baiters such as Sharpton, Crump, and Obama want to start race riots over Zimmerman killing an attacker who was slamming Zimmerman’s head against a concrete sidewalk - let it begin here in Florida.

We Floridians are not about to stand for any weakening of the Stand Your Ground Law or infringement of the Second Amendment.

As for the racial aspect of the fatal shooting of Martin, the fact is Floridians (and the rest of white Americans) are through with allowing blacks, Hispanics(or even ‘Little Green Men’) to justify attacks on us because of “Slavery”, “Gimme Reparations”, “Obama won”, “it’s out turn to oppress crackers” - or any reason whatsoever.

As Roman Law put it, “Force may be met with force.”

Even considering Bondi’s possible Mulligan by virtue of claiming a “Blond Moment”, there is a clear conflict of interest and an appearance of impropriety/prejudice due to Bondi’s fawning over Crump.

I hope Martin sues all the miscreants involved in the malicious presecution of his case, not just the Presstitutes in the media.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 7:33:08 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Uncle Chip

Thanks for posting.


17 posted on 02/09/2013 7:46:19 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Uncle Chip

Of course noone would ever walk someplace, looking for someone, not find them, and stop while looking for them.

Right?

Oh. Someone might stop and look.

That consideration moves the timeline from ‘inaccurate’ and therefore ‘false’ to ‘irrelevant for determining times to that degree of accuracy’


18 posted on 02/09/2013 7:51:48 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: GladesGuru
I hope Martin sues all the miscreants involved in the malicious presecution of his case, not just the Presstitutes in the media.

I hope Zimmerman does.

19 posted on 02/09/2013 7:53:40 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Sacajaweau

Notice that O’Mara says that there was a camera at the Crump/DeeDee interview. “We know that”.


20 posted on 02/09/2013 7:56:01 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Sacajaweau

One of the things I am proudest of about being on the non-leftist side of the spectrum is the fact that we didn’t hang Zimmerman out to dry for being a Democrat.

You know that it would be different if the shoe was on the other foot.


21 posted on 02/09/2013 7:57:04 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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Now it’s the Martins’s/Fultons’ turn to spit it out:

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0213/subpeonas_dt_martins_fultons.pdf


22 posted on 02/09/2013 8:02:59 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: circlecity
How does this guy know how fast Zimmerman was walking/jogging to keep up with Martin?

Right. How long does it take to stand in place a couple of times to look around and wait for Martin to appear from between houses, etc. Would take a while, esp. if Z was talking on the phone while standing & looking around. Somebody already figured this out.

23 posted on 02/09/2013 8:18:35 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: Uncle Chip
Martin was in fact leaning over Zimmerman when the fatal shot was fired, just as Zimmerman has maintained.

everything before this is meaningless.
24 posted on 02/09/2013 8:30:00 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: Sacajaweau

He’s probably correct; Trayvon went home or to a stash spot, and dropped off some cough medicine he had to make “purple drank” before he came back to confront Zimmerman. I don’t know, but guess that the police did not search his apartment once they found out who he was. Might have been interesting to see what they found.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 8:49:31 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: All

The “meat & potatoes” of the evidence exonerates Zimmerman. Oh dear, we can’t have that!


26 posted on 02/09/2013 8:53:31 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Oopsie - you are correct. I meant to write I hoped Zimmerman sued all the miscreants. My mistake - thanks for catching it..


27 posted on 02/09/2013 9:02:54 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Jacksonville former forensic investigator” means he is not going to say anything bad about Jack Boot Nazi SA Angela Corey...who I am sure this guy has dealt with in the past

All the state has is hoping that Zimmerman’s statements may contradict themselves in front of a Black Racist/White Guilt Liberal jury...if they can find one in Seminole. Zimmerman does not have to testify, at all. The state cannot explain away Martin on top off Zimmerman when he was shot

Meanwhile, the GOP Governor, GOP AG, GOP SA, are all peeing my tax dollars away on a case that will never get a upheld-able conviction. The prosecutors do not want to release evidence to the defense...which is trouble for them right there


28 posted on 02/09/2013 9:14:33 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: printhead; All
The prosecution sent out trayvon’s cell phone to retreive its’ internal logs. The phone came back missing the 24 hours surrounding this incident.

It also appears to have come back a flip phone. Now we have two phones and two DeeDees.

What is going on???

29 posted on 02/09/2013 9:18:06 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php/media2/92-state-s-response-to-defendant-s-motion-for-specific-discovery-trayvon-martin-s-cell-phone

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0213/response_motion_discovery_cell.pdf

DMS-7 Black TMobile brand cell flip-phone.

Item Notes: Item was collected from the grass at the courtyard, (obj. mkr.7)

So is DMS 7 now a flip phone??? It wasn’t before.

Did the state flip phones???


30 posted on 02/09/2013 12:25:42 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: donmeaker
One of the things I am proudest of about being on the non-leftist side of the spectrum is the fact that we didn’t hang Zimmerman out to dry for being a Democrat.
You know that it would be different if the shoe was on the other foot.
Granted that Zimmerman is a Democrat who voted for Obama for such crucial, principled reasons as the color of his skin and - did I mention that Obama is black?
But, in all fairness, you have to take account of the “white hispanic” meme. By launching that meme, journalism drafted Zimmerman as an “honorary” Republican. They used Zimmerman as a brush to tar us with - giving us a motive to support Zimmerman despite the fact that Zimmerman is a low-information voter. Who, having been mugged by reality, might actually have had some sense pounded into his head.

31 posted on 02/09/2013 4:56:34 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Again, I am a little bit proud that we don’t stoop to lies as the others do.

On the other hand, I wish we had more success in using the truth.


32 posted on 02/09/2013 7:03:15 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Again, I am a little bit proud that we don’t stoop to lies as the others do.

On the other hand, I wish we had more success in using the truth.


33 posted on 02/09/2013 7:03:26 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
Again, I am a little bit proud that we don’t stoop to lies as the others do.
We don’t have the requisite propaganda power to get away with lies. "Liberals” - and the journalists who are so arrogant that they actually argue from the premise that they are themselves objective - occupy the commanding heights of propaganda institutions. That this is so is widely understood by conservatives, and masked by propaganda from the eyes of the low information voter, and by hubris from the eyes of the politically informed “liberal.”
On the other hand, I wish we had more success in using the truth.
We have such a propaganda power disadvantage that we can’t even humiliate a sitting president who has committed his international prestige to a blatant lie - the “anti-Islam video riot” that never was - to cover the fact that he was asleep while his representatives were dying in Benghazi.

34 posted on 02/10/2013 4:42:48 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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Defense closing in on DeeDee:

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0213/motion_std_witness_8.pdf


35 posted on 02/12/2013 10:00:32 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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