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The Boy Scouts should learn the lessons of the Canadian Scouts
Life Site News ^ | February 8, 2013 | BRADLEE DEAN

Posted on 02/09/2013 10:01:13 AM PST by NYer

They have secret files (here in Canada) as they do down there (in the U.S.) of guys that had abused kids that they hadn’t reported. There were investigations into the abuse of boys, which never really produced anything in Canada.– Brian Rushfeldt, president, Canada Family Action.

IRVING, TX, February 8, 2013, (LifeSiteNews.com) – David Watkins, a former Boy Scout leader, has been charged with sodomizing a boy under 13 years of age in his troop.

The news broke on the same week as the Boys Scouts of America’s (BSA) decision on whether or not to continue their long-standing ban on homosexuals.

In the BSA, homosexual child sex abuse happens all too often. There have been over 2,000 cases of abuse.

For example:

If such crimes have already come to the light in the Boy Scouts, one must ask why the radical homosexual lobby is determined to force the BSA to allow homosexuals to infiltrate their organization.

Once again, the radicals used totalitarian means in an attempt to bully the BSA into submission.

Clearly, they are using the guise of a “victim” status to attack and undermine the moral foundations of the BSA.

It would do well for the American people to look across the border to Canada and see the disastrous consequences of such a decision.

Canadian Bishop Frederick Henry stated, “Human rights laws designed as a shield are now being used as a sword. The issue is rarely truth formation, but rather censorship, and applying a particular theology through threats, sanctions and punitive measures.”

In 1998, Canadian Scouts (CS) decided to allow females, atheists, agnostics, homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals to join the CS. In 1999, they approved the establishment of an all-homosexual troop, which now marches in Canada’s “gay pride” parades. Within five years, scouting membership dropped over 50 percent. Many scouting camps and offices were closed, and staff was laid off.

As one would expect when the doors to sinful behavior are swung open, sex abuse by leaders in scouting is another tragic consequence.

Boys who become scouts to receive a healthy, moral upbringing are instead becoming lifetime victims of criminals who prey on children.

Even worse is the lack of justice these young boys receive. Canada’s epidemic of child sex abuse is largely swept under the rug to protect pederasts.

Brian Rushfeldt, president of Canada Family Action, stated, “The notion that we need to protect homosexuals more than we need to protect children … has been a disturbing trend.”

The Scouts is not the only area affected by the radical homosexual lobby’s bully pulpit.

The education system is targeted in a large degree.

After Canada passed homosexual marriage legislation in 2005, Phil Lees of Canada’s Public Education Advocates for Christian Equity (PEACE), who spent most of his career in public education, said the same-sex marriage law had an immediate effect on Canadian schools:

“Experience shows that whenever homosexual marriage becomes law, children will be exposed to an increasingly sexualized curriculum and school environment at an early age, as early as kindergarten.”

In Canada the radicals have sought to lower the age of consent to 14 years old for anal intercourse.

America’s school curriculum is not too far behind Canada’s.

It is time to wake up, America, and heed Canada’s warnings before it’s too late.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bsa; canada; homosexual; homosexualagenda; nambla; pedophilia; perverts; scouts

1 posted on 02/09/2013 10:01:21 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 02/09/2013 10:02:14 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

These gay lobby groups are so full of crap. For years they’ve been telling us gays are just like straights only they have feeling for the same gender.

Fine. I accept that: so let gays join the Girl Scouts.


3 posted on 02/09/2013 10:21:39 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: NYer

Besides the obvious moral aspects they better think long and hard about the legal aspects and lawsuits. Can you imagine how parents will react if their kid is molested by a homo and the Boy Scout org knowingly hired him?


4 posted on 02/09/2013 10:26:28 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Psycho_Bunny

It’s the word “boy” in Boy Scouts which attracts these degenerate pukes. If you also allow homos to join the girl scouts, dykes do the same thing their counterparts will do. Fags and rape go together as Obama and lying.


5 posted on 02/09/2013 10:44:52 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: NYer

Bump for later to pass in to a libtard teacher I know who thinks this is the Best. Thing. Ever. *SPIT*


6 posted on 02/09/2013 10:46:27 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: plain talk
Besides the obvious moral aspects they better think long and hard about the legal aspects and lawsuits. Can you imagine how parents will react if their kid is molested by a homo and the Boy Scout org knowingly hired him?

The whole endgame here is to destroy the scouts. The Scouts teach love of God and Country and that doesn't fit in with the left's plans. By discrediting the Scouts, that's one less way parents have to teach their boys good values.

7 posted on 02/09/2013 10:55:45 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: NYer

Sexuality, of any variety, as a base for political power is a NO NO.

It should be prohibited constitutionally.

It should be illegal. Punish it by mandatory sentence as an implied violation of civil rights of The People.


8 posted on 02/09/2013 11:32:19 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: YankeeReb

The first thing the gays will demand once they get in, is to remove the “morally straight” part from the Scout Oath.


9 posted on 02/09/2013 11:33:53 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: max americana

That was my point.........A straight man isn’t allowed to take Girl Scouts camping.

If these gays truly wanted equality, they’d go to the Girl Scouts.

But most of them probably secretly desired boys.


10 posted on 02/09/2013 11:35:02 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: plain talk
Can you imagine how parents will react if their kid is molested by a homo and the Boy Scout org knowingly hired him?

And that is precisely the point. Set up a molestation, get the parents to sue the organization into bankruptcy and close it down. It teaches morality and belief in God and must be destroyed.

11 posted on 02/09/2013 11:37:07 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Psycho_Bunny
But most of them probably secretly desired boys.

Not very secretly. But the organization must be destroyed, even though it would mean that they no longer have access to that pool of boys to corrupt. There are tradeoffs for them here and their judgement is that stopping the teaching of morality is more important than access to a large pool of boys to corrupt.

12 posted on 02/09/2013 11:41:39 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: NYer
In 1998, Canadian Scouts (CS) decided to allow females, atheists, agnostics, homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals to join the CS. In 1999, they approved the establishment of an all-homosexual troop, which now marches in Canada’s “gay pride” parades. Within five years, scouting membership dropped over 50 percent. Many scouting camps and offices were closed, and staff was laid off.

The politics of fear again. I have many good memories of Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts and Explorer scouts. It was Americana at it's best. Camp, the discipline, the .22 rifle at the range, cooking over the campfire and the big canoe trip up at Ely. The fact that 96% of boys will have to worry about their pup tent partner or their scoutmaster galls me. The small percentage uses thug tactics again. Whether it's unions, the gay lobby or liberals in general (20%). They have Alinsky down. Do we Alinsky right back at them? We have until May to fight this.

“The notion that we need to protect homosexuals more than we need to protect children … has been a disturbing trend.” How about majority rules on this one.

I think bottom line it's another orchestrated attack by the commies to decimate a healthy part of American culture. This should be as big a fight as gun control.

13 posted on 02/09/2013 11:49:24 AM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: SandRat

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14 posted on 02/09/2013 12:05:22 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Gun control is hitting what you aim at. -- Chuck Norris)
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To: NYer
In 1999, they approved the establishment of an all-homosexual troop, which now marches in Canada’s “gay pride” parades.

Oh my G-D...Please Canada... you need to stop the PC crap...

What's next... a troop for NAMBLA members?? Or is it a boy-Girl Scout troop for TG, XD scouts??

15 posted on 02/09/2013 12:16:45 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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To: 17th Miss Regt; YankeeReb

Yep. You both nailed it. The left has a bigger agenda than the gays who are just useful idiots in their plans.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 12:17:29 PM PST by plain talk
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To: NYer

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/09/us/boy-scouts-say-leak-undermined-plan-on-gay-ban.html?_r=0


17 posted on 02/09/2013 12:18:17 PM PST by Andy'smom
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To: NYer
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18 posted on 02/09/2013 12:31:23 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: NYer
FWIW

David Watkins was married (divorced in 2006, after his wife found out about his predilections for little boys BTW) and had two children with his wife, coached his son’s little league team.

Documents paint troubled picture of scoutmaster accused of assault

Brett Tayler was also married and had children with his wife who he also is claimed to have abused.

Her ex-husband is former Boy Scout leader and Gwinnett library board member Harry Brett Taylor

Douglas Smith Jr. - married to the same woman for over 30 years.

Smith, who lives in the Fort Worth suburb of Colleyville and has been married for more than 30 years

Before I have to don my flame proof asbestos suit, the point I am trying to make here, that may be lost on some, is that these pedophiles, just as with Jerry Sandusky, were not known as being openly gay men and as far as I can tell, they didn’t even engage in homosexual sex with other adult homosexual men, didn’t frequent gay bars, march in gay pride parades, etc.; they preyed on children pure and simple, in some cases even on their own children. Sometimes their own wife didn’t know what was going on until it was too late or their wives themselves were in deep denial. That’s what a pedophile does, that’s how he operates.

As in the cases of all too many of these pedophile cases, excepting for Catholic priest pedophiles, they are often married or were married, have children of their own, outwardly appear to be fine upstanding men, leaders in their community, even church going men, didn’t come off as being “effeminate” and are probably the very last person one would expect to be a pedophile.

Is that to say I think the BSA should welcome gay scout leaders? No! Absolutely not!

Is that to say that if I had a young son, that I would be OK with my son spending time alone with an openly gay man? No! Absolutely not!

But my point is that parents should not just focus their attention on openly gay men as being a potential threat to molest their boys, but should be vigilant at all times and not be lulled into a false sense of security that just because a BSA scout leader or an athletic coach or a teacher or a minister who is not openly “gay”, one who is married and may even have children of his own, that he can be ruled out as being a pedophile. It should also be mentioned that these men in their association with the BSA, all these abuse cases took place without the BSA accepting openly gay men as scout leaders so there is a bigger problem that needs to be addressed.

So while I believe that the BSA should stand strong and not change their rules under the pressure of political correctness and the “gay lobby”, they also have to recognize, and just as with any organization dealing with children, that there needs to be more oversight, more vetting and that no adult, even one who on the surface seems trustworthy, and now days very sadly I have to say, should probably never be left alone with children in their charge. There should always be at least one other adult present at all times.

And I’m sure I’m going to get some heavy flamage for saying this; but not all homosexual men (or homosexual women) are pedophiles. I do know a few homosexuals and at least the ones I know with whom I’ve had frank discussions with about these cases, they find pedophilia to be just as abhorrent as I do and think much as I do, that the rape of a child should be a capital offense.

It should also be mentioned that not all pedophiles prey on children of the same sex. Some pedophiles prey on children of the opposite sex, some on children of both sexes. Some pedophiles have never had sexual relations with an adult of the opposite or of same sex and some have had only at least seemingly normal heterosexual relations with other adults, even only with their wife, but none the less, have a secret and deeply closeted predilection for children.

My point is that the “monster” next door may not always appear to be the obvious “monster”.

Parents should be, while not paranoid to an extreme, not frighten their children to the point that they become fearful and distrustful of any and all adults, should be ever vigilant and never let their guard down. They should be aware of changes in their children’s behavior and demeanor that could be signs of abuse, they should have age appropriate conversations with their children about “bad touching” and empower their children to be completely honest with them about all things and about any behavior by another adult that makes them feel bad or dirty or uncomfortable. They should tell their children that no adult under any circumstances should ever pressure them into to doing something they do not want to do or be told that “this” is “our secret” or that if they tell, that no one will believe them or that harm will come to their family if they tell.

19 posted on 02/09/2013 12:42:45 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA
So while I believe that the BSA should stand strong and not change their rules under the pressure of political correctness and the “gay lobby”, they also have to recognize, and just as with any organization dealing with children, that there needs to be more oversight, more vetting and that no adult, even one who on the surface seems trustworthy, and now days very sadly I have to say, should probably never be left alone with children in their charge. There should always be at least one other adult present at all times.

As you noted: the “monster” next door may not always appear to be the obvious “monster”. The Catholic Church has had to deal with the same problem. They developed and implemented a program entitled Virtus. With this program in place, anyone who comes in contact with a child (religious, teacher, janitor, etc.) must be certified by Virtus. The process mandates being fingerprinted, a police background check and two training sessions in identifying sexual predators. The BSA would do well to either adopt this program or create one of their own.

20 posted on 02/09/2013 1:13:34 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer
Virtus. . The BSA would do well to either adopt this program or create one of their own.

Great idea. Anyone here involved in the higher-ups at the BSA who can pass this on?

21 posted on 02/09/2013 1:16:50 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: plain talk
Can you imagine how parents will react if their kid is molested by a homo and the Boy Scout org knowingly hired him?
 
 
 
 

22 posted on 02/09/2013 1:17:36 PM PST by TArcher
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To: NYer

The BSA requires anyone going on a Camping Trip to take Youth Protection Training. They are very strict about never allowing an adult leader to ever be alone with a Scout.


23 posted on 02/09/2013 1:22:48 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: NYer

The Catholic Church ignored homosexual behavior in its seminaries. The priests had interpreted “celibacy” to mean “no sex with women”.


24 posted on 02/09/2013 1:31:12 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: NYer

The homos will pass all background tests with flying colors. Parents need to start doing stuff with their kids. Screw all these organizations.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 1:56:12 PM PST by USAF80
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To: dfwgator
They are very strict about never allowing an adult leader to ever be alone with a Scout.

That's a good start. Better yet, why not mandate that scout leaders be fingerprinted and undergo a police background check. I've been through the process and cleared to work with the children in our parish. In our current culture, such a check should be the minimum requirement for a scout leader.

26 posted on 02/09/2013 2:15:23 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: AppyPappy
The Catholic Church ignored homosexual behavior in its seminaries. The priests had interpreted “celibacy” to mean “no sex with women”.

The problem is pedophilia. According to this article, scouts have been sexually abused by scout leaders who are married with children. I rest my case.

27 posted on 02/09/2013 2:18:36 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer
As you noted: the “monster” next door may not always appear to be the obvious “monster”. The Catholic Church has had to deal with the same problem. They developed and implemented a program entitled Virtus. With this program in place, anyone who comes in contact with a child (religious, teacher, janitor, etc.) must be certified by Virtus. The process mandates being fingerprinted, a police background check and two training sessions in identifying sexual predators. The BSA would do well to either adopt this program or create one of their own.

That’s all fine and good and a good idea IMO; being “fingerprinted, a police background check and two training sessions in identifying sexual predators”. And I have several relatives who are teachers and a great niece in college working on her teaching degree who is ready to start student teaching, who have all gone through extensive background checks and FBI finger printing and some relatives (one who is gay BTW) who are involved in teaching HS bands on a contract or volunteer basis, who are not school employees, but they all have had to do this - submit to fingerprinting and background checks and have for many years now and all passed with flying colors. But I will also point out that none of these precautions have prevented some band teachers and contracted band techs and volunteers from molesting children in their charge. I know of several local schools, some that my relatives once taught at, where band teachers, paid contract band techs and volunteers were caught engaging in inappropriate relations with underage girls or molesting children in their charge, despite all the screening processes and background checks.

And while all that is a good idea, it does nothing to stop a pedophile, one who has had no prior criminal record, as sadly many of them do not have until it is too late. And I would also add that perhaps “training sessions in identifying sexual predators” allows some pedophiles to learn what it takes to avoid detection. Just saying.

My point still stands that despite all the precautions, all the background checks, finger printing, “certifications”, etc. in world and keeping out all the known and openly homosexuals; parents should never solely depend on the school system or the Catholic Church or the BSA or Little League or any org dealing with children for that matter to depend solely on their screening processes alone to protect their children and keep them safe from predators. Parents need to be ever vigilant and teach their children about the dangers and keep an open and honest and two way dialogue with them teach their children about what is right and wrong, about inappropriate touching and sexual conversations and teach them that they can trust their parents to believe them when they tell them the truth about such things.

28 posted on 02/09/2013 2:34:14 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: NYer

The problem is same-sex molestation. Elton John was married to a woman as was James Hormel.


29 posted on 02/09/2013 2:43:56 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: NYer

They did a background check on me, when I applied as an Adult leader.


30 posted on 02/09/2013 2:59:04 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: NYer
There have been thousands of reported cases of molestation and assaults by homosexuals prior to the BSA implementing the ban on homosexuals.

Since the ban the number of incidents dropped dramatically.

Homosexuality is a mental illness. Common sense tells us not to allow young boys to have contact with queers, let alone go camping in the woods.

31 posted on 02/09/2013 3:10:55 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Art in Idaho

The majority of Hitlers Brownshirts( Sturmabteilung) were homosexuals. It’s leader Ernest Roehm was a notorious screaming bender. All those snappy uniforms and men marching around was in many ways more than just politics. It’s this that attracts the homos and pederasts to the Boys Scouts. Uniforms, young men and boys, an authoritative male hierarchy and the chance to exercise the degeneracy of sexual politics and the further destruction of a moral, Western Christian organization like The Boy Scouts.


32 posted on 02/09/2013 4:06:30 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: dfwgator

Bingo.


33 posted on 02/09/2013 5:06:03 PM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: MD Expat in PA; NYer
despite all the precautions, all the background checks, finger printing, “certifications”, etc. in world and keeping out all the known and openly homosexuals; parents should never solely depend on the school system or the Catholic Church or the BSA or Little League or any org dealing with children for that matter to depend solely on their screening processes alone to protect their children and keep them safe from predators.

True; however, the purpose of banning homosexuals from such organization is not to ensure that no homosexual pedophile ever sneaks past the screening. The purpose is to first, reduce the likelihood of such infiltration, but more importantly, to eliminate above-board homosexual indoctrination of children. Remember that whether it is on the curriculum or not, an instructor of boys will have to deal with the boys' emerging sexuality. A homosexual instructor, even if never intending molestation, will validate homosexual urges in the children just to the same degree as a heterosexual instructor would validate heterosexual urges. The result will be an increase of malformed sexual identities, and no one would have to break the law achieving it. The actual sexual contact will often be consummated by others and outside of the camps, dorms and classrooms. The goal of the homosexuals is not merely personal gratification, but rather cultivating a larger and younger homosexual contingent. It is a group strategy.

34 posted on 02/09/2013 5:38:09 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: jmacusa
. . the further destruction of a moral, Western Christian organization like The Boy Scouts.

How about we draw the line in the sand on this one. . and gun control. . and amnesty. . and

Sometimes I feel we've been Juggernauted by the Obama machine. They are well organized. We have to get more organized and fight back. Enough is enough! Time for all good Patriots to take a stand. Live Free or Die!

35 posted on 02/09/2013 6:08:55 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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36 posted on 02/09/2013 6:12:43 PM PST by narses
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37 posted on 02/09/2013 6:13:37 PM PST by narses
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38 posted on 02/09/2013 7:48:00 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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It's Tea Party as a third party for me now. If things get worse, then we'll have to up the ante. . sometimes I think the only thing that will really change things for the better is the R word. . I don't know, we just can't sit by passively and see our country destroyed from within.
39 posted on 02/09/2013 9:32:23 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; NYer; SkyDancer
These people are warped. I can't imagine any thinking parent wanting to have their scout master that's gay.

Where are we on this vote? I haven't heard.

I do think that if this vote goes through in support of gay scoutmasters, you will see membership plummet.

40 posted on 02/10/2013 5:35:20 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: NYer
I'm a Merit Badge counselor for the local Scout Council. I had to go through a "training course" in the rules regarding interaction between Counselors and Scouts. In short, never alone with a Scout. Always at least two adults in any encounter. Probably not 100% guarantee of safety for the Scouts, but still very important.
41 posted on 02/11/2013 8:12:00 AM PST by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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