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Obama to propose 1 percent pay hike for federal employees
Washington Post ^ | 2/08/13 | Joe Davidson

Posted on 02/09/2013 11:58:14 AM PST by Libloather

President Obama will propose a 1 percent pay raise for federal civilian employees in the administration’s fiscal 2014 budget proposal, the Washington Post has learned.

At the same time, the House plans to vote soon on legislation that would extend the current freeze on basic pay rates through the end of calendar 2013. The freeze was originally set for two years and scheduled to expire at the end of last year, but it was extended until a temporary budget measure expires next month.

When the measure expires, federal employees will receive a 0.5 percent raise for the remainder of 2013, unless blocked by congressional action.

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Raise revenue - or spend it?
1 posted on 02/09/2013 11:58:29 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Gotta feed that base.


2 posted on 02/09/2013 12:03:11 PM PST by Rennes Templar (Business owners work harder! You have to support millions.)
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To: Rennes Templar
Gotta feed that base.

Some of us actually work hard and earn our paychecks.

3 posted on 02/09/2013 12:09:23 PM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Libloather

The doosh knows not shame.

How about this? Then unemployment get back under 4% and GDP is higher than 3%, and, inflation is back below 2%, then he can reward HIS constituency.


4 posted on 02/09/2013 12:11:20 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: Libloather

Seems like these salaries were bumped up quite a bit right before the “freeze”.


5 posted on 02/09/2013 12:11:26 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Libloather

Cut military pay, raise government drone pay. Hussein “has their back”.


6 posted on 02/09/2013 12:11:29 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: x1stcav

The public sector is the largest employer of a certain demographic. Hussein told them that he “has their back”. One of the few times he wasn’t lying.


7 posted on 02/09/2013 12:12:58 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Rennes Templar

Like everyone else who receives a big raise, 1 percent won’t even cover the medical insurance costs that rise yearly. Nothing really that exciting. I am glad to know that the civilian sector is getting back to giving fat raises again. I have a friend who works for Exxon and his raises normally are in the ten percent range with a fat bonus yearly. I don’t complain though and in fact happy for him because that is what he chose. Some people chose to work as a civil servant and not get caught up in the money which is fine too. Nobody makes big bucks in government unless they are in very high positions of power.


8 posted on 02/09/2013 12:13:31 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Libloather

No worries…it’ll be paid-for by the cut to military pay. /s


9 posted on 02/09/2013 12:13:50 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Rennes Templar
Gotta feed that base.

It's kinda funny. 1% (on top of .5%) is big enough to tick off a lot of people, but small enough to tick off federal employees.
10 posted on 02/09/2013 12:13:58 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Libloather

Vote Rat, it’s where your pay’s at.


11 posted on 02/09/2013 12:14:12 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: trebb

But, but.. FEDERAL WORKERS ARE ALREADY OUTRAGEOUSLY OVERPAID!!! LIFETIME PENSIONS? ELIMINATE THEM.


12 posted on 02/09/2013 12:14:21 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Libloather
Half of them are unnecessary anyways.

Here's my idea....Change their retirement benefits to use the average of their wages over the years instead of their wage at retirement.

I watched this game....an employee getting a huge raise....and then retiring 2 months later.

Psssst...the person who gave him the big fat raise was the best man at his wedding. Imagine that...

13 posted on 02/09/2013 12:15:50 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Libloather

I propose an 10% DECREASE in pay for all Federal employees. They are already the most overpaid, underworked segment of our workforce, and I use that term “workforce” loosely. We could more than likely cut 50% of the federal employees and never miss them.


14 posted on 02/09/2013 12:16:21 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: Libloather

Isn’t there an aircraft carrer that needs a $3 billion refuel?


15 posted on 02/09/2013 12:22:36 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Libloather

CNN: Panetta to Recommend Pay Cut For Military
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2985891/posts

Obama Eliminates Breakfast for US Troops in Afghanistan, Stuffs Own Face
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2984698/posts


16 posted on 02/09/2013 12:33:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Libloather

10: FUBO
20: Go to 10


17 posted on 02/09/2013 12:35:56 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: trebb
Some of us actually work hard and earn our paychecks

No question some government employees are worth what they are paid (although, except for the military, not a lot of them). But when those of us in the private sector (that still have a job), you know, the ones paying your salary, health benefits and pension, have gone without pay raises for five years, have taken pay cuts, have given up matching 401(k) funds and have had to pay more for health benefits than ever before, it is very difficult seeing ANYONE in goverment get a single dime for a raise. In fact, it sucks.

18 posted on 02/09/2013 12:40:48 PM PST by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: napscoordinator

I think the government has made the pay issue intentionally complex to confuse the issue. there are step increases, colas, adjustments for where you live. So this would be 1% on top of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Schedule_(US_civil_service_pay_scale)#Grade_and_Step_Structure

There is the 2010 scale on the wiki page. It would be interesting to see the 2012 table to compare what happened during the “freeze”.


19 posted on 02/09/2013 12:41:45 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: trebb
Some of us actually work hard and earn our paychecks.

Those of you who do must feel taken advantage of by the loafers.

20 posted on 02/09/2013 12:44:18 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: mrsmel; 1rudeboy; Libloather

The “cut” in military pay is purely “Washington Speak.” The “cut” being talked about is to reduce the proposed active duty military pay from 1.5% to 1%. Thus there is an increase.

That is the dirty little secret about congressional arguments over “budget cuts,” Congress puts in an automatic 5% increase to the budget each year, which they never proclaim and then they say “we have to increase the budget X amount, then when conservatives say “No” to the X amount of increase over the automatic 5% increase, the Democrat/Socialists scream “conservatives are wanting to cut spending and hurt (insert name of special interest group)” when there is actually being an increase over the previous year.


21 posted on 02/09/2013 12:48:25 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Libloather

Not quite.

At present, if nothing changes, sequestration for the DoD enters into Tier 2, where Navy civilian personnel are looking a 22 days of furlough or a 20% pay cut for the rest of FY13.

They aren’t too sure if they are going to push the 1 day/ week or straight 22 day furlough plan yet.

This is just public posturing before the SHTF.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=sequestration%20navy%20budet%20tier%202&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmilitarytimes.com%2Fstatic%2Fprojects%2Fpages%2Fnavy-budget-brief.pdf&ei=sbMWUZjKOcKWiALRxYGwBA&usg=AFQjCNGObtzxu9yL3rRrbye9A1u-plW_oA


22 posted on 02/09/2013 12:48:28 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr; Libloather; 1rudeboy

Ditto for Dept of Army civilians. 22 days of furlough beginning on or about April 1st. Probably 1 day per week. Of course, my branch has already lost 2 of 6 positions in the last 2 years; and the output requirements have not decreased.


23 posted on 02/09/2013 12:52:35 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Libloather

Once upon a time there were two farmers who were neighbors. They each had an ox that they were very proud of. They used their oxen to plow and pull wagons. The farmers, though neighbors, were not friends. Each was jealous of the other.
Farmer Smith said, “That Farmer Jones next door thinks his ox Babe is the best ox in this valley and everyone knows my ox Thunder is the best.”
Farmer Jones said, “Farmer Smith is always bragging about his ox Thunder, but my ox Babe is twice the animal. And it would serve him right if his crops failed because he just inherited that land.”
One day, the fence between the two farms fell over and the two oxen faced off. All the neighbors came to see what was going on. Farmer Jones ox Babe appeared to be winning. The neighbors were going to try and stop the fight but Farmer Jones said, “Let them be! This fight has been coming for a long time!”
Suddenly, Farmer Smith’s ox Thunder got the upper hand.
“Stop them!”, screamed Farmer Jones. “He’s killing my ox and my livelihood!”
“But you just said to let them fight”, said one neighbor.
“I know!”, said Farmer Jones, “But it all depends on whose ox is getting gored!”
I guess it all depends on whose ox is getting gored.


24 posted on 02/09/2013 12:54:03 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Cvengr

How about a pay CUT for these government “workers”? Has anyone ever seen most of those bums do anything really worthwhile for any purpose? I realize there are a few exceptions, but generally government “workers” is a misnomer.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 12:54:39 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Libloather

Is the government producing a product that is making a profit? Is the country as a whole making a profit?


26 posted on 02/09/2013 1:04:43 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Libloather

Back to back with a 10 percent cut in the number of federal employees. Hell yeah !


27 posted on 02/09/2013 1:16:16 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: mrsmel

> The public sector is the largest employer of a certain demographic. Hussein told them that he “has their back”. One of the few times he wasn’t lying.

Anytime his lips are moving he’s lying. If he told them he “has their back” there’s a catch.


28 posted on 02/09/2013 1:18:23 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: hal ogen
I realize there are a few exceptions

How gracious of you.

29 posted on 02/09/2013 1:37:44 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

The way the federal workforce was constructed was that they would, as a whole, be paid significantly less than the private sector. They would be compensated with more job security and good pensions. Federal employees are not overpaid. “Studies” that state the opposite are comparing apples and oranges. Federal jobs usually require more education than do private sector jobs, lumped as a whole.


30 posted on 02/09/2013 1:45:14 PM PST by rcofdayton (.)
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To: trebb

Yeah, exactly. How many of you critics of feds are facing a 20% pay cut right now?
TC


31 posted on 02/09/2013 1:50:20 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Libloather

1% pay hike for federal workers, but no breakfast for soldiers in Afghanistan. That sounds right, NOT!


32 posted on 02/09/2013 1:50:58 PM PST by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: Go Gordon
No question some government employees are worth what they are paid (although, except for the military, not a lot of them). But when those of us in the private sector (that still have a job), you know, the ones paying your salary, health benefits and pension, have gone without pay raises for five years, have taken pay cuts, have given up matching 401(k) funds and have had to pay more for health benefits than ever before, it is very difficult seeing ANYONE in goverment get a single dime for a raise. In fact, it sucks.

This right here is the issue. The ultimate CEO of this government of, by and for the people, Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Taxpayer, are completely tapped out. They're unemployed and broke. They can't even pay the electric and water bills. They've fallen fourteen months behind on their mortgage, and the bank is foreclosing on their house, while the sheriff hauls what little furniture hasn't already been repossessed out to the curb.

This isn't even a case where John Q. Taxpayer had to hock a few belongings to meet payroll at the end of the week. He hocked all his stuff long ago, and has nothing of value remaining to trade, except the clothes on his back. John Q. Taxpayer, the guy who hired all these federal workers, is flat busted. His business has been ravaged by the forces of the market and exorbitant payroll costs. It's gone.

And now his employees, the public sector workers, are getting raises?

Whatever happened to that concept Barry the Boob was always talking about...you know...the one about "shared sacrifice?" Funny thing...we're not hearing much about that these days.I wonder why.

Personally, as somebody who has labored for his whole career in the private sector, I'm having some difficulty reconciling the woeful financial state of the private sector, which created, chartered, and financed the public sector, and that of said public sector, which barrels along unimpeded by the conditions that have caused its employers (the private sector) such misery and grief.

It's well past time to start "sacrificing" federal employees. We can start with all of the ones who wouldn't be required to show up to work during a weather ememrgency...the so-called "non-essential government personnel," which may be as much as 50% of the federal civilian workforce. Let's cut these expensive extras loose, and we can then (but only then) consider raises for those who remain.
33 posted on 02/09/2013 1:51:46 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: mrsmel

You have it backwards: nobody is cutting active duty pay—it’s the DoD civilians—and only us—that are staring down the barrel of a 20% paycut.
TC


34 posted on 02/09/2013 1:52:40 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: andyk

What salary “bumpup?” Our pay has been frozen for four years.

TC


35 posted on 02/09/2013 1:55:12 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: 1rudeboy

There is no cut to military pay even proposed.
TC


36 posted on 02/09/2013 1:57:14 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: hal ogen

Come visit the Pentagon. I’ll show you “slackers.” A good time to visit would be 0400 or 2030.

TC


37 posted on 02/09/2013 2:02:26 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: djwright

Wow. is that ever proof that nobody is getting rich being in government. I can’t believe how low those figures are. Once you take taxes and other items like medical insurance, these government workers are poor! The average government worker is a GS-6. So over 1/2 make 30 grand before taxes. I feel sorry for them and wished that they would have chosen the private sector where average salaries are 68,000 dollars. The life of a government worker changed in 1981. The retirement sucks now too.


38 posted on 02/09/2013 2:03:35 PM PST by napscoordinator (/)
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To: Milton Miteybad
"And now his employees, the public sector workers, are getting raises?" We're not ge"getting raises". We're getting a 20% pay cut--at least in DoD. The 1% proposal is just that--a proposal from The Won for 2014. It will not pass. The WH probably won't even produce a budget. TC
39 posted on 02/09/2013 2:06:58 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: napscoordinator

Nobody in here but us chickens, lol.

How’s the electric bill on that six bedroom house in the DC ‘burbs these days?

Still congratulating yourself for your “wisdom” in getting a job with government healthcare and pension?

You really should avoid this topic on FR, you know. Some of us recall that whole sordid exchange.


40 posted on 02/09/2013 2:07:44 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: djwright
I think the government has made the pay issue intentionally complex to confuse the issue. there are step increases, colas, adjustments for where you live. So this would be 1% on top of that.

I agree with the point about making the issue confusing. On the others:

Step increases: one step every year through Step 4, then every two years through Step 5 or Step 6. Then every three years until a Govie hits Step 10. At that point, if they are in the top grade for their position then no more step increases. There are multi-grade positions (so GS5-GS8) and it's possible to jump a grade per year until the highest grade. But once that person reached GS8 Step 10 they're done for automatic increases.

COLAs. No such thing for Govies. At least automatically. Functionally, this .5% increase followed by a 1% IS the COLA. I know a LOT of pretty Liberal Govies (a good number of Conservatives as well), and they get ticked off when reminded that the best President for government employees in terms of salary increases in the last couple decades was George W. Bush.

Locality Adjustment. This is set by OPM and linked directly to a number of set factors and indicators relating to local cost of living. So if the indicators all point to Washington DC having a 15% higher cost of living than "base", then the Govies working within the DC Metro Area get a 15% increase to their salaries.

One of the big problems, as I see it, is how Govie retirement is calculated. It's based party on an average of the top three years, salary/dollar-wise. It isn't based on Grade/Step and retirement-locality. So there's a LOT of incentive for Govies to try to get into a place like Washington (with it's significant locality adjustment) for their last three years, then bug out to a much lower cost-of-living location ... where they'll draw retirement pay based partly on what their upward-adjusted Washington-area salary was.
41 posted on 02/09/2013 2:17:47 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

The only thing more frustrating than facing the 20% pay cut is being forced to prepare contracts which pay sidewalk sweepers at twice our salary.


42 posted on 02/09/2013 2:19:34 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
I guess this is the kind of analysis I was thinking of.
43 posted on 02/09/2013 2:26:41 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Libloather
1% raise is BS but it sends the wrong message. Any ethical admin would never even have suggested it.
44 posted on 02/09/2013 2:44:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: RegulatorCountry
Wow. Surprised you can remember ten minutes ago. I could care less what you think. You have no idea what you are talking about anyway especially with regards to this subject. You don't pay my bills so your opinion means diddly and I certainly will discuss whatever topic I feel like discussing. So don't go giving me your nonsense about which topics I can speak on and which I shouldn't. Suddenly you desire to live in North Korea or something.
45 posted on 02/09/2013 2:45:57 PM PST by napscoordinator (/)
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To: napscoordinator
Be aware that federal employees make roughly twice what their equivalents make in the private sector. Not to mention the security of government employment, lavish benefits like at least ten paid holidays, paid sick leave , and extensive paid vacation.

I guess "big bucks" is all in how you define it. Maybe for union sucks, the UAW is better, but not by much these days.

46 posted on 02/09/2013 2:51:27 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

The reason the private sector is so low is because we don’t count every swinging dick like you folks do. We don’t have McDonald’s workers and other such types to lower our overall average. Heck you guys have a bunch of welfare folks dragging your average down. Government workers have no such types.....The lowest paid worker makes 21 thousand....your lowest wage earner is about 12,000....Cook the books and you will find whatever result you need. Let’s not even start with Education......That would really make you guys sad.


47 posted on 02/09/2013 3:01:11 PM PST by napscoordinator (/)
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To: napscoordinator

It must be the stress of being poor that causes you to come across as being so rude and snappish, bless your heart. I forgive you. That federal pay and benefit package really sucks, Or so I hear. From you, lol.


48 posted on 02/09/2013 3:05:09 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
Just going from what I read here.
49 posted on 02/09/2013 3:07:24 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: andyk

Well yes. I agree that people still continue to get promoted on merit. Just like a plumber’s helper progressing to apprentice to journeyman to master. Do you see something wrong with merit promotions?
TC


50 posted on 02/09/2013 3:15:20 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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