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After Ron Paul, What Now For Libertarians?
New York Times ^ | Brian Doherty

Posted on 02/09/2013 2:39:36 PM PST by JohnPDuncan

RON PAUL, Republican of Texas, has retired from the House, after winning more than two million presidential primary votes in 2012. He took the party’s libertarian wing from ignorable fringe to significant faction. His son, Senator Rand Paul, Republican of Kentucky, is angling to lead that faction, very possibly as a presidential candidate himself.

The libertarian wing’s dissatisfaction with Mitt Romney led the Libertarian Party to earn 1.2 million votes in the presidential election for its candidate, the former New Mexico governor (and former Republican) Gary Johnson. That was its largest vote total ever. In at least seven national House and Senate races a Libertarian beat the spread between a winning Democrat and a losing Republican. From the Republican point of view, losing the libertarians can mean losing elections.

“There’s a whole swath of people not getting adequate attention from Republicans or Democrats,” Senator Paul told me recently. These are independent voters who want to seriously cut government spending the way the Tea Party faction does but who also want a “foreign policy more of defense and less offense,” as Senator Paul put it, and a “more socially tolerant attitude.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: libertarian; paultard; randpaul; zot
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That's right GOP, if Rand isn't on the ballot in 2016 we will stay at home again and you can enjoy 8 years of another Democrat president. We will not accept any more fake conservatives, got it?
1 posted on 02/09/2013 2:39:38 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
you forgot the "sarcasm" tag.

CC

2 posted on 02/09/2013 2:47:03 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (Come to Michigan, enjoy the beauty of all 4 seasons- sometimes all in the same day)
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To: JohnPDuncan

I am going to do my damndest to primary every RINO Congressman and Senator in my state that I can. I’m going to give money to conservatives who I think can beat them. I’ll work on their campaigns now that I’m retired.

But I will tell you this. I am not about to hold out for Rand Paul for President of anything, nor would I vote for him.

He has some good ideas and some that I think are horribly foolish. I’m not going to be a RINO supporter but I’m not going full blown BIG L Libertarian either.


3 posted on 02/09/2013 2:49:48 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: JohnPDuncan

How about Judge Andrew Napolitano?


4 posted on 02/09/2013 2:58:54 PM PST by PizzaDriver ( on)
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To: Celtic Conservative

There is no sarcasm. We will not vote for another fake conservative or whoever the establishment forces upon us. Not McCain, Not Romney and if Rand is not on the ballot it’s going to be 8 more years of Democrat rule and almost certainly a liberal Supreme Court with Scalia and Kennedy 77 years old. Enjoy that suckers!


5 posted on 02/09/2013 3:02:36 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: PizzaDriver

I like the judge but he’s not running, it’s Rand Paul or bust and if you don’t put him on the ballot we will stay at home and the revenge of the Paulian’s will be 8 years of Democrat rule and a liberal Supreme Court. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.


6 posted on 02/09/2013 3:07:17 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: Gaffer

Well you can have the Democrats then because I assure you if you don’t him on the ballot then we’re staying home again.


7 posted on 02/09/2013 3:09:04 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Screw you and your commie guru.


8 posted on 02/09/2013 3:09:04 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: JohnPDuncan

This is too sarcasm. Rand Paul is no libertarian. And any efforts he makes to align himself his his fathers liberaltarian and kooky ideas will fail.

Deservedly so.

Rand tries to pass himself off as a Tea Partier. But I’m not so sure he is effective at that as well. Rand has a long way to go and a lot to overcome (like his fathers name and image) before conservatives will take him seriously as a presidential candidate.


9 posted on 02/09/2013 3:11:52 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

You signed up here less than two months ago and your voting ‘ultimatim’ is that if RP isn’t on the ballot, “we” are gonna stay home again....didn’t you go “write him in?” during the last election or did you just sit home?

It’s up to RP to ‘get on the ballot’ not me. All he has to do is go out and get the signatures in the states where he want’s to be on the ballot and pay some fees.....


10 posted on 02/09/2013 3:16:53 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: SaraJohnson

Tell me how you really feel! :)


11 posted on 02/09/2013 3:18:10 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: JohnPDuncan
...it’s Rand Paul or bust and if you don’t put him on the ballot we will stay at home and the revenge of the Paulian’s will be 8 years of Democrat rule and a liberal Supreme Court. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
 

 

OMG. Just when I thought the reign of Paultards was over and done with.

Sheesh!

12 posted on 02/09/2013 3:18:36 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Well, the problem with the Libertarian Party is they carry principles beyond their purpose.


13 posted on 02/09/2013 3:21:45 PM PST by Dysart
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To: JohnPDuncan
I wont vote for a presidential candidate who is not a conservative next time either. I have some reservations about Rand..not sure if he is a Libertarian whom I wont vote for or a Conservative whom I might if he shows he is strong on Defense...
14 posted on 02/09/2013 3:25:15 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: JohnPDuncan
Vote for Rand Paul or we will stay home!


15 posted on 02/09/2013 3:28:16 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

“We will not accept any more fake conservatives”

You will not accept any REAL conservatives either, because libertarianism and conservatism are DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES. Guess what? We’re not approving homo-marriage or most of the other quack ideas.

While we both agree that our country’s fiscal policy needs to be radically overhauled, conservatives have a commitment to restoring basic decency in America.

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

That’s John Adams. Since we are clearly no longer a moral or religious people (Obama was voted for TWICE), your libertarian society cannot adequately serve the people. Conservatism argues that the more morality we have in America, the closer we will be to the true vision of the Founders.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 3:29:17 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: JohnPDuncan

I was a registered republican for over 35 years. During the fiscal cliff nonsense I finally dropped my registration and joinEd the Libertarisn party. I have issues with them but fewer than I do with the RINO republicans. The Libertarians are objectively more honest and true to their principles than either major party, IMHO. The RINOs shouldn’t continue to get away with this crap.


17 posted on 02/09/2013 3:30:27 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: montanajoe

He’s strong on defense. The common defense is in the constitution and he supports that. He doesn’t support no-win wars around the world and would not have gone into Iraq (4,000 dead soldiers and 1 trillion dollars )


18 posted on 02/09/2013 3:30:45 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Welcome to Free Republic.


19 posted on 02/09/2013 3:32:37 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Viennacon

Homo-marriage and the quack ideas should be left to the states, under the 10th amendment of the constitution.


20 posted on 02/09/2013 3:33:15 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
Does he realize we are at war with radical Islam throughout the world..and we don't have the option to pick up our ball and go home
21 posted on 02/09/2013 3:33:35 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Responsibility2nd

yep, we’re not having any more of YOUR crappy candidates like Dole, McCain, Romney and Bush (medicare Part D, No child left behind, trillion dollar war and financial collapse). They do more to harm the GOP than anything WE could possibly do.


22 posted on 02/09/2013 3:35:40 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: montanajoe

Did you listen to his speech at Heritage? it’s easy to find, look it up. He says you can defeat radical islam without being all over the place. This will be a different strategy simply because the nation is bankrupt and so defense has to be cut and made to be smarter otherwise there will be no defense when the collapse happens and we will really be exposed then won’t we?


23 posted on 02/09/2013 3:37:48 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: muir_redwoods

“I was a registered republican for over 35 years. During the fiscal cliff nonsense I finally dropped my registration and joinEd the Libertarisn party. “

I was a registered Republican since I registered in college. Last month, I completed my switch to independent.

I didn’t leave the Republican Party. It left me. See tag line.


24 posted on 02/09/2013 3:38:13 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

You are cruising for a zot, you know that? This rhetoric about the 10th is the same liberal double-talk his father and all other liberaltarians used in supporting abortion.

Are you pro-abortion? Pro-gay marriage? If not, then you support any FedGov efforts to keep abortion and queer marriages out. Period.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 3:39:57 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: muir_redwoods

I dropped my republican affiliation. I am interested in anyone who is conservative or libertarian.


26 posted on 02/09/2013 3:40:23 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: JohnPDuncan

The states have many rights. Destroying cultural institutions that have been around for generation upon generation is not one of them.


27 posted on 02/09/2013 3:41:03 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Gaffer

We stayed home like the millions of others who will not vote for a big government conservative like Romney. Not a chance!

And if you try and do that again you can have another
Democrat president.


28 posted on 02/09/2013 3:41:32 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: Viennacon

“Conservatism argues that the more morality we have in America, the closer we will be to the true vision of the Founders.”

We had plenty of immoral founders. About as many as we have today. Just read an Adams bio.

Libertarianism? Sure. They didn’t want the government telling them how to live their lives. I don’t either.

If someone wants to be a drunk, their body, their call. I will choose differently.
Drugs? Their body, their call. I will choose differently.
Legislate what happens in the privacy of someone’s bedroom? Sorry, not interested.


29 posted on 02/09/2013 3:42:15 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Oh dear lord. I support a LIFE AT CONCEPTION ACT, which would define life at conception and which the Supreme Court can’t do squat about because Congress says so. Shame your dream candidate Bush, your Republican House and Senate in 2003-2007 did absolutely nothing to stop abortions. As I said, you have failed and now if you don’t embrace Rand we will give you another Democrat president for eternity.


30 posted on 02/09/2013 3:44:08 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: Responsibility2nd

Abortion is flat-out unconstitutional anyway. I don’t care what some hack court said.


31 posted on 02/09/2013 3:44:27 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Responsibility2nd

Oh dear lord. I support a LIFE AT CONCEPTION ACT, which would define life at conception and which the Supreme Court can’t do squat about because Congress says so. Shame your dream candidate Bush, your Republican House and Senate in 2003-2007 did absolutely nothing to stop abortions. As I said, you have failed and now if you don’t embrace Rand we will likely give you another Democrat president.


32 posted on 02/09/2013 3:44:27 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Drugs? Their body, their call. I will choose differently.

Unless it is one of your children.

33 posted on 02/09/2013 3:44:42 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: JohnPDuncan
I did read the heritage speech and it left me with more questions than answers.

BTW The fact that Ron Paul supporters are lining up behind him and using Ron's loony arguments in support if Rand's candidacy gives me pause... Kind of like the old saying..With friends like that who needs enemies..

34 posted on 02/09/2013 3:45:28 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; mickie; flaglady47
"After Ron Paul, What Now for Libertarians?"

Hopefully.....oblivion.

Leni

35 posted on 02/09/2013 3:45:58 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

MARRIAGE DOES NOT TAKE PLACE IN A FREAKIN’ BEDROOM!

This is why Paultards get annoying really fast. Why the hell aren’t you over at The Daily Paul?


36 posted on 02/09/2013 3:47:02 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

The states under the 10th amendment can do what they want. Prohibition of drugs and a definition of marriage are not in the constitution, so there.


37 posted on 02/09/2013 3:47:44 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: central_va

“Drugs? Their body, their call. I will choose differently.

“Unless it is one of your children.

Sorry Charlie, once your kids are adults, they make their own decisions. You often do not agree. It remains their decision.


38 posted on 02/09/2013 3:48:48 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Viennacon

“MARRIAGE DOES NOT TAKE PLACE IN A FREAKIN’ BEDROOM!”

I did not say it did. You may benefit from breathing...

“This is why Paultards get annoying really fast. Why the hell aren’t you over at The Daily Paul?”

I’m not a Ron Paul supporter and have never been. As an aside, you seem to be wound a bit tight...


39 posted on 02/09/2013 3:50:26 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Viennacon

The Daily Paul don’t like Rand and I’m at FreeRepublic to spread the message... do you not welcome TRUE conservatives?

Sure, try and kick us out the GOP or deny us Rand Paul and you can have another Democrat president.


40 posted on 02/09/2013 3:50:43 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
Conservative yes, Rand Paul, not a chance.

CC

41 posted on 02/09/2013 3:52:32 PM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: MinuteGal

Sorry to disappoint Leni, we’re not going away. We’re taking over, one county and one precinct at a time. We already control some state parties and will continue to make progress until we get Rand - a true conservative who wants to balance the budget and cut government - on the ballot


42 posted on 02/09/2013 3:54:06 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

If the intention had been the states can “do whatever they want”, there would be no federal government at all. The USA wouldn’t be a country. Alabama and Florida would be independent countries. The fact is, states have a lot of power (which is being encroached upon), but the federal government, as in ANY sovereign country, makes decisions for the nation.

I’m sick of you morons whining “if you don’t vote for the guy I want, I’m going to make sure you get liberals on the Supreme Court! Haha!” Do you have any idea how pathetic that sounds?

Why don’t you just go the Netherlands? You’ll have all the drugs you want, all the prostitutes and gay marriage forms and abortion drugs you can hope for.


43 posted on 02/09/2013 3:54:06 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: JohnPDuncan

Do you not understand the difference between libertarians and conservatives? They are DIFFERENT. When will you accept this fact?


44 posted on 02/09/2013 3:55:30 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

You are correct, they are different philosophies. (L) believe in the Liberty brought about by the Constitution, (C) believe in the status-qua (defined as: disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change).

By their own brand, they are not trying, nor willing, to roll back, but to keep static. Let’s say they were wanting to roll back...to what/when?

Nobody, since Reagan, has done more than pay lip service to the Constitution, let alone Liberty and Freedom. It was Nixon who foisted the EPA, W. Bush who expanded Eduction and Medicare. That is NOT Conservative.

You mention a moral and religious people. The same church that is willing to allow gay marriage; against their own dogma? The same people who, just recently, are voicing support to ‘save’ SS and Medicare; both known Ponzi schemes that rob Peter to pay Paul? The same people that make deals in smoke-filled back rooms and force these Laws upon its Citizens?? THAT Conservative?

Gov’t was not created to SERVE the People. It is there to defend the borders, make treaties/war and most importantly guarantee that OUR Rights, Liberty and Freedom are not infringed. It’s the Dem, with the help of the GOP/Conservatives, that have flipped the Constitution on its head.

Basic decency does not come from the threat of incarceration or from the end of a gun (as gov’t is ‘Lawful’ force); as much as charity comes from gov’t giving away taxpayer $$.

The (L) party has never had ‘power’ representation in Congress. Even Dr. Paul was roundly ostracized by the GOP/Conservatives in Congress. They were not the only ones not wishing to ‘rock the boat’ or have the Public’s prying eyes upon their misdeeds.

Cast the stones in your own glass house before berating us of the (L) bend.


45 posted on 02/09/2013 3:55:30 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: Viennacon

I could go to Nevada and have prostitution and I could go to Colorado and have drugs. See, 10th amendment works and yes the States themselves formed the Federal government which was meant to be limited in size and with enumerated powers under the constitution. I dont see drug prohibition there. When the treaty with the King was signed it was signed by the colonies not with a Federal government. It was always understood that the states are independent.


46 posted on 02/09/2013 3:56:25 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: i_robot73

The same church that is willing to allow gay marriage; against their own dogma?

(That’s not a real church. That’s a fake church)

The same people who, just recently, are voicing support to ‘save’ SS and Medicare; both known Ponzi schemes that rob Peter to pay Paul?

(Please be specific as to who you’re talking about, give names. Those are benefits that were destined to collapse, however we now have a population who were promised a load of crap they paid into but we can’t afford to hand out because we spent their money on other garbage)

The same people that make deals in smoke-filled back rooms and force these Laws upon its Citizens?? THAT Conservative?

(Are you talking about Boehner? He’s a RINO. Where have you been?)


47 posted on 02/09/2013 4:01:23 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: JohnPDuncan

The Pauls are both fake conservatives just not of the usual RINO type. We need real conservatives not libertarians.


48 posted on 02/09/2013 4:05:50 PM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Gaty Johnson for now. Tens of millions to follow if that doesn’t work.


49 posted on 02/09/2013 4:06:25 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Gary Johnson for now. Tens of millions to follow if that doesn’t work.


50 posted on 02/09/2013 4:07:15 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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