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Details emerge in LAPD's mistaken shooting of newspaper carriers
Los Angeles Times ^ | February 8, 2013 | Joel Rubin, Angel Jennings and Andrew Blankstein

Posted on 02/09/2013 10:52:48 PM PST by El Gato

The women were victims of 'a tragic misinterpretation' by officers working under 'incredible tension,' LAPD Chief Charlie Beck says.

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at least seven officers opened fire. On Friday, the street was pockmarked with bullet holes in cars, trees, garage doors and roofs

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; lapd; lapdoutofcontrol; lapdshootingmistake; lefshootingmistake
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Private citizens did this, even in self defense with proper "target identification", and they'd be in jail. Additionally they would be sued for everything they had.

You pull the trigger, you're responsible for what happens to each and every bullet.

These are the folks that the gun grabbers say are the only ones who are 'well trained' enough to be armed.

Humblegunner's hat can shoot better than LA's finest.

1 posted on 02/09/2013 10:52:55 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Cops pissing down leg in panic shoot paper boy.
What a headline.
I just can’t wait till they come snoot to snoot with a real bad guy.


2 posted on 02/09/2013 11:00:19 PM PST by gfbtbb (Ladies and Gentlemen, we are on our own.)
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To: El Gato
There was a second "mistaken identity case":

Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity

Torrance police say the man was driving a pickup resembling the fugitive's. The incident happened just after the LAPD fired on women delivering newspapers nearby.

This one was a shorter skinny (by about 100 lbs) white guy mistaken for the 6 foot 270 pound black guy.

What a bunch of Keystone Cops. Fortunately after ramming his truck, the Gang that Can't Shoot Straight missed him. And to make matters even more commical, they were responding to calls of "shots fired", from the other police shooting at the newspaper delivery ladies. They were all police shots of course.

3 posted on 02/09/2013 11:01:59 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Is there any doubt that these keystone kops would obey any gov’t edict to fire upon citizens? The willingness to wantonly use deadly force without any regard for due process or inconcent bystanders tells you everything you need to know about the existence of govt stooges’ willingness to use violence against the populace.


4 posted on 02/09/2013 11:02:16 PM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: gfbtbb
Cops pissing down leg in panic shoot paper boy.

Make that a paper lady. These were women, and the younger one, was no spring chicken. (lot younger than this Old Cat though)

5 posted on 02/09/2013 11:05:00 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Lou Budvis
Is there any doubt that these keystone kops would obey any gov’t edict to fire upon citizens?

Nope, but there are way more of us than of them, and we are much better shots, and often have longer range/more powerful guns too.

6 posted on 02/09/2013 11:07:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Ahhh...

Now I get it.
For a minute I thought they were unprofessional ***holes.


7 posted on 02/09/2013 11:10:55 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: El Gato

I was really hoping that video of the 2 cops exchanging fire across the hood of a car with a suspect and NOT HITTING HIM, some years back was an aberration.
Unfortunately, that incident, the one in NYC where the cops managed to only graze the suspect but nail 7 or 8 bystanders, this, and others seem to be the norm.
How is it that there are so many people in the government that have sharp objects and live ammo who should be on the short bus?
I understand this is L.A., but aren’t the rules of engagement supposed to be tighter than over in the sandbox?
Those women are lucky to be alive.
But geez. There are over 50 rds in the back of their vehicle alone, and only one of them was hit twice, with non-critical wounds?
At that rate, some 9 year old with a super soaker will take out the whole department in a fight.


8 posted on 02/09/2013 11:13:41 PM PST by jim999
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To: El Gato

You do realize this is a horrific event.
“Something must be done now”!!

Ban the Coppers!


9 posted on 02/09/2013 11:14:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I wonder how many of these upright servants could pass a piss test.


10 posted on 02/09/2013 11:17:13 PM PST by jim999
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To: El Gato

In retrospect, it was pretty reckless to be driving a blue truck that morning.


11 posted on 02/09/2013 11:17:16 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: El Gato
Well while looking for a black guy, they done shot two Hispanic women and one white guy.
If I was an Asian, I'd be watching my six real close.
12 posted on 02/09/2013 11:17:55 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Tau Food

It’s pretty reckless to live in Kaleefooorniya.


13 posted on 02/09/2013 11:18:10 PM PST by jim999
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To: Tau Food

It’s pretty reckless to live in Kaleefooorniya.


14 posted on 02/09/2013 11:18:23 PM PST by jim999
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To: El Gato

Grotesquely unprofessional.

No wonder these *sshats need to get dressed up in their SWAT gear to break down Granny’s door.

Send ‘em all back to Police Academy I where they came from.


15 posted on 02/09/2013 11:20:16 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: jim999

Are you serious Jim?

These guys have the best stuff in town.


16 posted on 02/09/2013 11:20:23 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: El Gato

For some reason the police don’t want the ex-cop to talk. Reminds me of the movies.


17 posted on 02/09/2013 11:21:09 PM PST by Orange1998 (No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.)
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To: El Gato

“We would like to point out that no dogs were harmed in this cluster-
fuuuudge.” Your LAPD public relations office


18 posted on 02/09/2013 11:22:05 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: jim999

PS

Regardless of the LAPD’s BS, Dornan is a cold blooded murderer that must be stopped.


19 posted on 02/09/2013 11:22:05 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: El Gato
"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Somehow LA's finest missed the cues of the newspapers flying out of the truck's windows and onto the driveways every time the truck stopped.

20 posted on 02/09/2013 11:23:44 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: jim999
It's far better for the cops to injure or kill a thousand innocent persons than to let one guilty person continue driving down the road for a moment longer than absolutely necessary.

In retrospect, it's clear that the cops couldn't take any chances. Citizens can be replaced.

21 posted on 02/09/2013 11:24:11 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: El Gato
"..mistaken.."

Felonious, at a minimum.

22 posted on 02/09/2013 11:24:30 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: El Gato
As the vehicle approached the house, officers opened fire, unloading a barrage of bullets into the back of the truck.

Were they driving the truck backwards up the street?

23 posted on 02/09/2013 11:25:08 PM PST by dfwright (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left (Eccl. 10:2, NIV))
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To: El Gato
Most of the folks I shoot with are much better shots than I am.

My 11 y/o niece has been shooting at 5 inch plates at 600 meters, and hitting them much more often than not. She, and others like her, must scare the shiite out of the LAPD.

Fortunately, for them, she lives in another state. Speaks, or at least understands, Russian too. (Her mother and oldest sister are native Russian speakers) She's following in the tradition of Lyudmila Pavlichenko who is credited with killing 309 Nazi soldiers during The Great Patriotic War. Her mother even looks something like Lyudmila, only prettier.

24 posted on 02/09/2013 11:25:50 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

we are always told cops get far more training than ccw holders. training that makes them steady under pressure. right.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 11:26:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: El Gato
.... After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training. ....

No mention here of possible criminal charges, naturally. What the heck, it was all just a one big mistake and you can't expect the gang banging cops to be charged for doing their jobs. It was all in a nights work after all. Maybe they'll just get their wrists slapped. And if that isn't good enough then they'll probably play their get out of jail FREE card of 'I was in fear for my life'. Works every time.

26 posted on 02/09/2013 11:26:34 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: El Gato

He was also driving a BLACK HONDA pickup.

The ladies were in a BLUE Toyota Tacoma.

Dorner was driving a GREY NISSAN TITAN.

THese “professional law(less)men” can’t tell the difference in MAKE OR COLOUR!

Yeah, only they and the army should carry firearms...


27 posted on 02/09/2013 11:26:34 PM PST by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: mylife

I’m sure.
They probably get girls and dope in lieu of money from MS13, the russians, and the rest of the gangs to go away and eat donuts.
Why is it that every major city that has had leftards in power for decades is broke and a *&^*&^ free fire zone?
I guess the left’s definition of diversity is having crack for breakfast and hash for lunch.


28 posted on 02/09/2013 11:27:35 PM PST by jim999
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To: El Gato
These “shoot first and the identify” types are going to cost the LAPD a ton of money from lawsuits from this blatant stupidity. So much for the “protect and serve” mantra the LAPD mouths. They're nothing but a bunch of thugs with guns.

Now, if these Keystone Kops want to play war for real, a well-armed citizenry is a much tougher problem than one rogue cop or a bunch of gang bangers. Many of these people rely upon one well placed shot over spray and pray. All the fancy toys and body armor is for naught to a high power rifle round like .308 Win, .30-06, 7.92x57, 7.62x54R.

If they haven't figured this out, they need to look to the 1992 LA Riots. The LAPD abandoned the citizens in the riot areas for days. The Koreatown shopkeepers defended their homes and businesses against the rioters and took out the trash. One Korean shopkeeper couldn't bring himself to shoot the rioter who was about to throw a lit Molotov Cocktail into his shot; he shot the bottle in the thug's hand. The thug became a crispy critter.

29 posted on 02/09/2013 11:28:05 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: tumblindice
“We would like to point out that no dogs were harmed in this cluster- fuuuudge.”

Yet!

30 posted on 02/09/2013 11:30:35 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: mylife
Dornan is a cold blooded murderer that must be stopped.

At least that's what the LAPD is telling us. I'll wait for the trial.. if he gets to trial.

Heck he'd probably in Fiji by now.

31 posted on 02/09/2013 11:31:11 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I had a couple of classes a looooong time ago from somebody who taught ‘interesting’ people and police departments.
He said that after 1 class we had had more training and practice than 80% of the police. After the 2nd class, more than 95%.
Apparently the participants were a little faster on the uptake too.
You know, that whole Hogan’s Alley thing of ‘Shoot/Don’t shoot’ is highly overrated. /s


32 posted on 02/09/2013 11:32:16 PM PST by jim999
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To: El Gato

seriously regular folks need to start being concerned with death by cops, esp. when the chief excuses major eff ups with ‘stress’.

if any cop is this stressed he might act this way it’s time for them to leave the force, they are a danger to the public.


33 posted on 02/09/2013 11:32:33 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: tumblindice
“We would like to point out that no dogs were harmed in this cluster-fuuuudge.”

Yet!

34 posted on 02/09/2013 11:32:33 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: dfwright

OH these guys are experts at legalese LOL.

If there is one thing I have learned in life it is that beat cops are not experts on the law.

Never argue with them on the street.
I just comply and tell it to a judge.
In this case the asian women never had the option, and the truth is, the Judges have a track record of being ***holes too.

At any rate, it is often best to submi....t.
(geeze that just stuck in my throat) and beg forgiveness from the court.

These gals are about to become very rich.


35 posted on 02/09/2013 11:32:33 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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El Gato~:” There was a second “mistaken identity case”.

In the first case (shots fired at Newspaper ladies) there is abosolutely “no legal defense”.
I counted 38 hits on their truck from newspaper photos.
Deadly physical force (discharge of firearm) can be
used only in RESPONSE to deadly physical force.
What prompted police to fire at them ?
Different make, model, and color of truck of the suspect’s truck
Did the victims display firearms ~ no !
They were shot from BEHIND the truck , through the truck box and back window, into the truck cab (!)
Police admit there was No warning issued (!)
The only discharge of firearms were the police, which prompted other to fire also (herd mentality) (!)
One victim shot in the back ; the other victim had shattered glass shards injury.
This shooting is a legal nightmare for the police.

In the second case , the male victim was no way , even remotely , come close to the physical description of the perp.
Adrenaline pumping, or not , is no excuse for a ‘trained police officer’ ramming the victims truck.

All the police officers involved need to go through re-training for deadly physical force,
the use of physical force , but also ,
they need more time on the target practice range (!)
Thank goodness that I am not inside their jurisdiction .


36 posted on 02/09/2013 11:33:52 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (When deadly force is seconds away ,... police are only 8 minutes away)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Maybe we need psych evals for cops.


37 posted on 02/09/2013 11:34:07 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MasterGunner01
These “shoot first and the identify” types are going to cost the LAPD Taxpayers of greater LA, a ton of money
38 posted on 02/09/2013 11:35:34 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: mylife
Regardless of the LAPD’s BS, Dornan is a cold blooded murderer that must be stopped.

PS, what would you call seven cops who opened fire on two women without warning?

39 posted on 02/09/2013 11:36:52 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: El Gato

Oakland.


40 posted on 02/09/2013 11:37:29 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

You mentioned “herd mentality”
I have come to the conclusion that most humans are pack animals.

For all of our talk of Freedom, it is the empirical truth.


41 posted on 02/09/2013 11:37:39 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: dfwright

One of the cops may have seen a dog in the back of a blue truck at some time during his life, or maybe concluded a truck bed is large enough to conceal one bad guy.
So he started shooting as fast as he could, and all the others didn’t want to be left out so they all emptied magazines, all in complete disregard for civilians.


42 posted on 02/09/2013 11:38:53 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Don W

Good think these Cops weren’t Anti Aircraft Gunners in WWII. We would have lost a whole bunch of Airplanes and Crew to friendly fire.

Now, where is that graphic of what Journalists and Politicians think are Assault Weapons again?

To Serve and Protect, reminds me of “To Serve Man”.


43 posted on 02/09/2013 11:39:02 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: mylife
In this case the asian women never had the option

They are Hispanic.

These gals are about to become very rich.

Maybe, but I think they'll get actual damages only.Medical bills, time lost, etc. LA is Broke, California is Broke,and so is the federal government. Who'll gonna pay that tab? Our grandchildren?

44 posted on 02/09/2013 11:39:02 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Dumbass chicken shits.


45 posted on 02/09/2013 11:39:31 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: El Gato

What’s worse is being shot then having Kanye West in the operating room yelling that it should have been Beyonce.


46 posted on 02/09/2013 11:42:31 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
All the police officers involved need to go through re-training for deadly physical force,

They all need to be fired. The worst offenders need to go to jail.

I would, you would, they should. Since they wouldn't be safe in California prisons, I'll be we have a few spare cells in Huntsville Texas.

47 posted on 02/09/2013 11:42:31 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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OK, I have been out of the “Spews” cycle for 48 hours.

Last I heard they were Asian women.

I aint paying for the malfeasance or my family.
Let LA own it.


48 posted on 02/09/2013 11:42:52 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
All the police officers involved need to go through re-training for deadly physical force

Just re-training and more range time? Not charged and tried for attempted murder?

How are their actions any different than Dorner's?

49 posted on 02/09/2013 11:44:09 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: El Gato

Don’t worry, Mayor Tony Villar (his real name), wants to raise Sales Taxes by half a cent. He’ll find the money,

Whitey has deep pockets, (West L.A. / Beverly Hills / Brentwood), don’t you know.

Remember, he was the guy at the DNC Convention who couldn’t tell the difference between the Ayes and the Nays at the DNC Convention.

Sharp as a Boulder that Boy is.


50 posted on 02/09/2013 11:44:40 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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