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Debate simmers over doctors asking about guns
Virginian-Pilot ^ | February 10, 2013 | Amy Jeter

Posted on 02/10/2013 4:58:35 AM PST by 4buttons

Do you have a gun in your home?

For some, that's a loaded question - particularly when asked by a doctor.

A debate is simmering over when and whether physicians should be allowed to talk to their patients about firearms.

Doctor groups say physicians are obligated to warn their patients about guns along with other health risks, such as riding in a car without wearing a seat belt. However, gun rights advocates balk at what they see as a needless invasion of privacy and blatant attempt at gun control advocacy.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: firearms; guncontrol; healthcare; secondamendment
Slippery slope?

I think so.

1 posted on 02/10/2013 4:58:47 AM PST by 4buttons
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To: 4buttons

Q—Do you have a gun in the home?

A1—”No” (Actually, there’s a dozen)

A2—”...Next question?”


2 posted on 02/10/2013 5:07:53 AM PST by Flintlock (TRUTH--It's the new hate speach.)
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To: 4buttons
The immediate counter question is to ask the doctor about their firearms training and certifications, their knowledge of safe handling and storage techniques and their legal liability should patients follow their advice.
3 posted on 02/10/2013 5:09:26 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29

They should ask the Dr if he has a gun! And if he has one in his house. I wonder if this would make the Dr. feel safe, knowing people with guns, know that in his house there are no guns. Not very American having a home with no gun.


4 posted on 02/10/2013 5:10:59 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: 4buttons

Most doctors aren’t going to get into this type of questioning. They’ve got less than three minutes that they want to deal with you, and just move on. The guy who gets into this line of questions...you should just give long pauses and ask what he means....eating up time. If you can get this guy to spend twenty-five minutes focused on the gun business, rather than the pains you are suffering...you will eventually drive the guy out of business. Trust me...they need to hustle through twelve patients an hour...to make a real profit. Anything less than six patients an hour....they are losing money.

You should have your responses already thought up...drag out the interview. Act curious. Ask if antique guns are different from regular guns. Ask if shotguns are better choices than rifles. Try to make him take the position of an expert on rifles...rather than an expert on medicine. Most of these guys who get into the questions....will be fairly naive about how you drag them through a long-winded experience...about nothing.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 5:13:37 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Truth29

Correct! I suppose it would be rude to ask the Doctor if they wanted to be paid for the office visit. The number of ignorant sob’s running this Government is staggering!


6 posted on 02/10/2013 5:15:30 AM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: Flintlock

It’s been slippery for decades. It’s hard to conceive of a time when people could just buy a gun like they’d buy a tool at the hardware store, a time when a shotgun was a suitable present for an 8 yo, and he would be taught to use it. That is the freedom our forefathers had, and we have lost. Registration is but the backdoor to a database, which is the groundwork for confiscation.


7 posted on 02/10/2013 5:16:40 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: 4buttons

Although talked about for a number of years, I first encountered the question when asked to update my medical history, on a doctor visit late 2012. I refused to answer any of the questions upon reading “are there guns in the home” as one of five pages of intrusive questions, for both men and women.

I asked the Doctor where these questions came from and his comment was “homeland security”. Ultimately I see where this might be headed, if not headed off at the pass. No history no medical treatment.


8 posted on 02/10/2013 5:17:22 AM PST by wita
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To: 4buttons
Coming soon.............If you know of a neighbor in your neighborhood who you think may have DANGEROUS FIREARMS that may HARM YOUR CHILDREN it is your civic duty to report this to your law enforcement officials immediately and receive a nice gift card for your troubles.
9 posted on 02/10/2013 5:17:53 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Lexington and Concord Americans experience thier first gun grab attempt)
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To: 4buttons

I fired my doctor over this issue 2 years ago during a Medical Certificate exam. Told him None of your F**king business and walked out. The next day I got my medical from a Navy Vet Doctor.


10 posted on 02/10/2013 5:19:26 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: 4buttons
We have three kids and thus have visited the pediatrician three times a year for almost fifteen years.

They typically ask the same questions, asked by the nurse, ever time the kids get their annual physical exams.

In addition to questions about nutrition, school performance, sleep habits, any concerns, etc. they always inquire whether a car seat is used, whether we own a trampoline, whether we have pets, use helmets when biking, and in recent years, whether there are guns in the house.

"Any firearms in the house?"

"A gazillion."

"Are they kept securely locked up?"

"You betcha."

I expect that all of these questions are part of what the American Academy of Pediatrics has identified as good practice when conducting office exams. None of the questions bother me and I want my kids to trust and disclose any concerns with their doctors. But, the whole electronic medical record thingy causes me pause.

First rule of gun ownership, from my point of view, is not advertising the fact that we have guns. I don't have 'Protected by S&W' decals on my door and figure the fewer people who know about our guns the better.

I trust our physicians, but I'm skeptical about the security of any sensitive info that could be harvested from the medical record.

11 posted on 02/10/2013 5:21:51 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Flintlock

Possible response:

NO, but I have three hammers, an axe, and many very sharp kitchen knives.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 5:36:14 AM PST by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: pepsionice

No guns, do you have a question about rocket launchers and dynamite etc? ;-)


13 posted on 02/10/2013 5:36:52 AM PST by Average Al
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To: 4buttons

I’ll repeat (again) what I’ve said in the past:

If asked by a doctor whether you have guns, you need to give A POLITE NO as your answer. Anything else gets you on another list, that, very easily, can be turned over to the government. (of course your kids have to be trained to say the same)

I also mentioned that the people they are looking for are not the typical mainstream gun owners, the ones that have already had background checks and buy their ammo with credit cards. No, they already have you in their databases.

They are looking, instead, for the people who are under the radar, the ones that buy their guns in untraceable private transactions and pay cash for guns and ammo. Those people are the ones more likely rise up, when the time comes, and they are hard to find. But, I suspect, they will often give themselves away to their doctors by saying something like NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS. Once they do that, then they are now in the database.

So guys, if you want to fight this, don’t try fighting it in the doctor’s office - since you lose by default - you need to fight it in state legislatures...or simply give A POLITE NO, when asked.


14 posted on 02/10/2013 5:42:25 AM PST by BobL
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To: Average Al

I wonder if they’re going to start asking people if they have a swimming pool?


15 posted on 02/10/2013 5:44:45 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: BobL

Sounds like your kids need to be trained to also give a polite “no” or “I don’t know”. Docs against Glocks think that kids will be more likely to spill the beans to the godlike figure in the white lab coat looming over them.


16 posted on 02/10/2013 5:46:35 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Flintlock
Q—Do you have a gun in the home?

A1—”No” (Actually, there’s a dozen)

A2—”...Next question?”

Q—Do you have a gun in the home?

A1- Did you know that nearly ten times as meany people die each year from medical malpractice than from firearms?

17 posted on 02/10/2013 5:51:10 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: 4buttons
My doctor in Arkansas.

Do you have a gun in the home?

Me: Do you doc?

Doc: That is a dumb question you know we both take recoil therapy twice a month at the range.

18 posted on 02/10/2013 5:54:20 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: 4buttons
Whether or not a physician discusses guns with a patient is beside the point.

NOT beside the point is that whatever is discussed between doctor and patient is CONFIDENTIAL--and has been since before the time of Hippocrites.

19 posted on 02/10/2013 5:55:33 AM PST by Savage Beast (The forces of decadence are the forces of evil.)
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To: 4buttons

Just give gun safety warnings to every parent, without asking of the patient owns any. Problem solved.


20 posted on 02/10/2013 5:55:33 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: rovenstinez

It would be wonderful if we could proactively preempt the whole discussion. Right now compose a threatening petition which all doctors get and they must fill out and send to us and our willing insurers. The questionnaire would aim at the doctors’ clear knowledge and backing of the U.S. constitution and be designed to secure the doctors’ understanding of the current and dire threat to our liberty and safety as individuals as the illegitimate regime “headed” by an unconstitutionally installed narcissist and elected by pathologically insane mob (with the help of mobster tactics and complicit Republican Party political machine which neutralized if not destroyed numerous constitutionally sound candidates for the sake of losing centrists.)
Said constitutional questionnaire which we require our potential doctors to fill-out will be aimed not only at the unconstitutional bent on meddling in the affairs of the (armed) resisters to tyranny, but also the unsound cooperation of doctors with an incompetent government which has absolutely no business in attempting to manage healthcare as it drives our republic deeper and deeper into international debt (putting ours and our offspring’s life in imminent danger of slavery to lender nations.)
If the doctor refuses to satisfactorily complete said questionnaire, he gets no business from us who initiated it. May such be soon composed and many good citizen patriots back it to the shame of the sham administration.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 6:01:37 AM PST by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: elcid1970

“Sounds like your kids need to be trained to also give a polite “no” or “I don’t know”. Docs against Glocks think that kids will be more likely to spill the beans to the godlike figure in the white lab coat looming over them.”

Clearly you go after the kids. But training them to lie is a LOT MORE than just about firearms. For example, if you spank them and they spill the beans, you might just get visited by a social worker. If you’re rude to the social worker, you might get set-up by her and it’s bye-bye kids, until you can prove that you’re a fit parent.

But if your kid understands to simply say NO to that question, then nothing happens. And if your kid understands that saying YES to that question might land them with a new set of parents, you will have the kid’s attention and they will obey you.

One of my kids got injured at home. It was the kind of injury that might get reported as abuse. So I scattered out of town booked a motel, and mom took him to the ER. No problem...with dad not around, no reason to suspect abuse.

Parenting today is tough, when you have an army of people dedicated to separating you from your kids.


22 posted on 02/10/2013 6:07:54 AM PST by BobL
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To: Truth29

“The immediate counter question is to ask the doctor about their firearms training and certifications, their knowledge of safe handling and storage techniques and their legal liability should patients follow their advice.”

You are absolutely right: doctors are required to pass certification examinations to show qualification to advise patients in their specialty. There is no reason for a patient NOT to question a doctor’s qualification to advise about gun safety.

I believe NRA should have a doctor’s certification course: if the doctor can’t display the certificate, the patient should not feel it necessary to answer any questions.


23 posted on 02/10/2013 6:12:19 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Unfortunately, gun safety for a lib is that no citizen can own a gun. There are special exceptions when they can own a gun. However, common man should never own one. Ask one, they will tell you.

In my mind, the government should assume everyone owns a gun and leave us alone because it is none of their business.


24 posted on 02/10/2013 6:23:45 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: 4buttons

Do you have a gun in your home?

When asked by a Doctor the only reply to this is
Sorry that is not relevant to the medical issue I am here to be seen for and am paying you for.


25 posted on 02/10/2013 6:27:34 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: 4buttons
Doctor groups say physicians are obligated to warn their patients about guns .......

Dr.> Do you have any guns in your home?

Patient> Let me see your certification in firearms safety or instruction and proof that your malpractice insurance covers any injury or death resulting from your engaging in such activity.

26 posted on 02/10/2013 6:27:52 AM PST by OSHA (One despises and wants to destroy the United States, the other is a dead terrorist.)
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To: 4buttons
Many insurance providers have this question on in their on-line assessment. I usually leave it blank...

Tangent to this is all the silly questions, are you exercising, how many drinks a week, do you smoke?

Jee you ask me every flippin time, if your computerized medical database that you are sharing with dear leader is so flippin good than why don't you have that info in front of you on the I-Pad you are holding which isn't HIPA compliant I might add...

So while you are busting our stones about our Cholesterol numbers, Moochelle, can quaf down 3000 calories at a sitting and eat all the Kobe' Beef she can grift?

I guess some Comrades are more Equal than others.....

27 posted on 02/10/2013 6:28:23 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: paterfamilias
I believe NRA should have a doctor’s certification course: if the doctor can’t display the certificate, the patient should not feel it necessary to answer any questions.

Why would a certification be reason to feel compelled to answer unconstitutional questions? If the People are willing to cede their rights and freedoms because someone has a "certification", you can bet that there will be sufficient "certifications to ensure all our rights are wrested away.

28 posted on 02/10/2013 6:29:12 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: 4buttons; All
Many insurance providers have this question on in their on-line assessment. I usually leave it blank...

Tangent to this is all the silly questions, are you exercising, how many drinks a week, do you smoke?

Jee you ask me every flippin time, if your computerized medical database that you are sharing with dear leader is so flippin good than why don't you have that info in front of you on the I-Pad you are holding which isn't HIPA compliant I might add...

So while you are busting our stones about our Cholesterol numbers, Moochelle, can quaf down 3000 calories at a sitting and eat all the Kobe' Beef she can grift?

I guess some Comrades are more Equal than others.....

29 posted on 02/10/2013 6:29:12 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: BobL

It was a primary goal of the fascists & the communists to separate children from their parents at the earliest possible age in order to begin their indoctrination into the new collectivized social order.

Our nations’ social workers & CPS departments work from exactly the same impulse, IMO.


30 posted on 02/10/2013 6:31:23 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: 4buttons
Mr Ditter and I have our yearly physicals coming up in a few months. Our doc is a big lib, I am already wondering if he will ask either of us if we have a gun in the house and how we will answer. “No doctor we have no guns, Mr Ditter killed all those deer, bears and elk with his bare hands”.
31 posted on 02/10/2013 6:35:46 AM PST by Ditter
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To: elcid1970

I have no doubt that the mindset of most (if not all) social workers is that the kids would be just fine, except for their f*^&%n parents. In some cases they’re probably right, but when they extend it to conservative (i.e., traditional) parents, they have to be stopped.


32 posted on 02/10/2013 6:41:45 AM PST by BobL
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To: trebb

I think lack of a certification would give a patient more comfort in not answering such a question.

I am a doctor, and I do not discuss firearms with my patients unless we are discussing the merits of a particular firearm.

However, the leftist doctors will sign on to this unconstitutional questioning, and patients WILL feel intimidated.


33 posted on 02/10/2013 6:42:00 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: 4buttons

“A debate is simmering over when and whether physicians should be allowed to talk to their patients about firearms.”

Nobody should be in the position to tell a physician what they can or cannot talk with a patient about. That is between the doctor and the patient. I can see instances where it may be appropriate for a MD to ask a patient about any guns they have, especially if the doctor suspects some type of mental stress or disorder. But the government has no say so in what a doctor and a patient discuss.


34 posted on 02/10/2013 6:54:51 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: pepsionice

“Most doctors aren’t going to get into this type of questioning. They’ve got less than three minutes that they want to deal with you, and just move on.”

Mostly correct. . .from what I have seen, they ask the question on the form you fill out when you first visit them AND during subsequent times you fill in follow-on paperwork.

I did have ONE doc personally ask me back in 2004. Yes, way back then.

My answer: “Is that question medically relevant to the reason I am seeing you? If not, then I suggest we limit our conversation to issues that are medically relevant and stop wasting our time.”


35 posted on 02/10/2013 7:24:54 AM PST by Hulka
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To: wita

And denied medical care for those like you (and me) that refuse to answer. . . and for those that DO answer, this is a major step in identifying gun owners that otherwise would not be known to the government.

A national gun registry under the guise of “medical treatment.”


36 posted on 02/10/2013 7:27:24 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Savage Beast

But under obamacare and a national medical registry. . .this confidentiality will be no more. . .you know. . with the aim of protecting the ‘chilren.


37 posted on 02/10/2013 7:31:01 AM PST by Hulka
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To: wita

“I asked the Doctor where these questions came from and his comment was “homeland security”. “

Kinda puts the lie to the notion that this is a “healthcare” issue, doesn’t it?

By the way, when’s the last time your Doc asked if you wore your seatbelt?


38 posted on 02/10/2013 7:36:57 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

As a veteran, I typically have an annual exam at the area VA. During the pre-exam questions asked by the nurse, never has the question of gun ownership in my home been asked. I would assume that just being a veteran automatically puts you on their “gun owner” list.


39 posted on 02/10/2013 7:47:08 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: BobL

Bobl, good advice. I’ve had a LTCH for 24 years so they already know me. We have to stop them in the legislatures.


40 posted on 02/10/2013 7:49:46 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: BobL

“...the ones that have already had background checks and buy their ammo with credit cards.”

Just because the “could” check, doesn’t mean they HAVE checked.

We still have no indication of widespread collection of gunstore records.

It is also not reasonable to believe that they are scrubbing everybody’s Visa records for ammo purchases.
You would have to be on another list of indicators, before they checked that item.

Most Sheriffs hold their CCW records secure and do NOT turn them into the State or the Feds.

Just because a data trail exists, doesn’t mean the feds have the resources to check up on 300 Million people.


41 posted on 02/10/2013 8:06:56 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

“Just because the “could” check, doesn’t mean they HAVE checked.”

True...but who’s fooling who. If the government wants Visa to supply them with records, Visa will supply those records. Whether they see a need for it now is a valid question. I suspect now, they simply get ALL of the electronic transactions and store them away in database, for future use. But should the time come for gun sweeps, they will certainly use that data.

Again, my point is that the same people that intentionally keep themselves out of ANY database are often the same people that will blow the question when asked by their doctor...so I’m just trying to make sure people are prepared.


42 posted on 02/10/2013 8:10:48 AM PST by BobL
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To: Flintlock

No, I don’t have A gun. Why do you ask? why are you not asking if I Vote?, freely assemble with like minded peoples? practise, or not the religeon of my choosing? speak out on the issues of the day?


43 posted on 02/10/2013 8:12:30 AM PST by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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