Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Wash Your Bags -- Or Else
Townhall.com ^ | February 10, 2013 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 02/10/2013 5:15:35 AM PST by Kaslin

San Francisco passed America's first ban on plastic bags in chain groceries and drugstores in 2007. In a research paper for the Institute for Law and Economics, law professors Jonathan Klick and Joshua Wright crunched state and federal data on emergency room admissions and food-borne illness deaths and figured that the San Francisco ban "led to an increase in infections immediately upon implementation."

They found a 46 percent rise in food-borne illness deaths. The bottom line: "Our results suggest that the San Francisco ban led to, conservatively, 5.4 annual additional deaths."

So is San Francisco's bag ban a killer? Conceivably, yes, but probably not.

Intuitively, the professors' findings make sense. The city's anti-bag laws are designed to drive consumers to reusable bags. Consumer advice types warn people about the dangers of said bags becoming germ incubators. I got this from TLC's website:

"Designate specific bags for meats and fish. Wash these bags regularly -- preferably after each shopping trip -- to get rid of bacteria. If your bag is fabric, toss it in the washing machine with jeans, and if it's a plastic material, let it soak in a basin filled with soapy water and either the juice of half a lemon or about a quarter cup of vinegar."

Ask your friends and family members how many of them regularly wash their reusable bags -- ask how many folks ever have done any of the above steps -- and you can intuit that a ban on plastic bags might not be the brightest idea.

San Francisco health officer Tomas Aragon reviewed Klick and Wright's paper and found "a biologically plausible hypothesis" but "sloppy" research. "It's a complicated topic. It's a little surprising that (they) would put this out there without a peer review," he added. If the professors had consulted with an epidemiologist, they would have understood how the city's unique demographics contribute to specific intestinal issues. (Unlike Aragon, I'm trying to be delicate here and not share too much information.)

In short, the doctor concluded that the study raised more questions than it answered.

Dave Heylen of the California Grocers Association ripped the study for not understanding something really basic about how the San Francisco bag ban worked at first. "People weren't using reusable bags," Heylen said. "They were using paper bags."

Be it noted, the grocers have supported proposals for a statewide ban on plastic bags -- which would require supermarkets to charge for single-use bags -- because they provide what the sponsor of Sacramento's latest effort, Assemblyman Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, calls "uniformity of experience" for shoppers and store owners. (It also means big stores can charge for bags and blame the government.)

For his part, Klick told me he cannot "rule out the possibility that there was something peculiar that happened in San Francisco." Maybe the cause isn't the bag ban. That's why there should be more studies that look into death rates and food-borne illness reports in the many communities -- San Jose and San Mateo and Alameda counties, for example -- that have passed bag laws since then-Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi introduced a bill to make San Francisco America's first city to ban plastic bags.

Mayor Ed Lee's office said the mayor will look into the health consequences of the city's now tougher bag laws if Aragon so recommends. That doesn't seem likely. Likewise, Levine didn't sound particularly concerned.

Maybe they should be. More than 60 California communities have bag bans, which means more Californians are using reusable bags. Most families probably aren't washing them. And that's not healthy.

California politicians didn't even bother studying the possible health effects of their anti-bag laws. They were in such a hurry to tell their constituents what's best for them that they forgot to check how their busybody scheme might go wrong.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: bagban; foodborneillness; healthandwellness; plasticbagban; reusablebags
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-35 last
To: Kaslin

What a joke. Washing the dammed bags pollutes the environment MORE than using the plastic bags did!

But of course no liberal would ever admit that their laws are a complete joke. Instead, when their laws are proven as not working, they defend their laws and demand a strengthening of the laws.

And the plastic bags ARE reusable. You can take them back to the supermarket and use them again or you can use them for trash, wrapping the new york times in, etc.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 6:29:42 AM PST by I want the USA back (Only people with their head up their a$$ vote democrat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio

I was thinking of your second option. Why dont some companies sell cartons of plastic bags to the public. Just bring then with you when you go to stores.

I read several studies of shopping carts and the Bactria contained on the carts. 80% contaminated. And these fools put their reusable bag in the cart. Game over for these libtruds.


22 posted on 02/10/2013 6:48:33 AM PST by Pit1 (Obama is the bump in the road.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Busybody schemes go wrong,indeed.


23 posted on 02/10/2013 7:07:01 AM PST by Vaduz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: I want the USA back

BAN THE BAGS!!!


24 posted on 02/10/2013 7:07:41 AM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
An old, old, old story. Many woven plastic bags (and many bags that seem to be cloth are actually woven plastic so beware) are essentially flexible hypodermic needles lying in wait to suck in viruses and bacteria, and then pump them out when the bags are filled.

These cannot be washed because detergents simply can't be sucked up into the threads to kill the bugs!

25 posted on 02/10/2013 7:09:40 AM PST by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

26 posted on 02/10/2013 7:12:51 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

They are such naive people, it is fun to prank them.

One time, visiting a friend in San Francisco, I was wearing full western regalia, when we visited a coffee shop full of sneering p.c. bigots. They made little effort to conceal their nasty comments, speaking to each other loud enough so that I could hear.

So I decided to confirm their prejudices, speaking with a decided southern accent. I think the one that most got their attention was when I invited my friend to go dolphin fishing with shotguns. “Taste great on the BBQ!”, I asserted.

Finally, a girl my friend had previously identified as a lesbian and a noisy one, stomped over to our table to berate me, and I let her have her harridan spiel before saying, “Sorry, honey, I got me a woman. But there’s got to be a real man here, somewhere, who can give you a ‘tension breaker’, if you’re that much in need.”

She about fainted, then stomped off in a pluperfect rage.

It was a few minutes after that when some guy finally worked up his courage to try and cheap shot me, no other reason to have an empty beer mug in one hand.

Staying out of easy range, I didn’t let him get far before I asked him if he knew what the difference was between California and Arizona. “Wut?”

“Gun rights. Arizonans have guns.”

Boy was dense. He actually blurted out “what does that matter?”, before the light dawned and he backed off. Nobody messed with us after that, and we departed.

Simpletons.


27 posted on 02/10/2013 7:13:44 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
...they provide what the sponsor of Sacramento's latest effort, Assemblyman Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, calls "uniformity of experience" for shoppers and store owners.

Wait! I thought it was diversity, not uniformity, that brightened our lives?

28 posted on 02/10/2013 7:23:13 AM PST by Yardstick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Reeses

By purchasing plastic bags for that purpose at the store.


29 posted on 02/10/2013 7:36:17 AM PST by Bob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I live in Santa Cruz County, California. Here’s a little article our county supervisors added to the bag ban

The charge imposed pursuant to this section shall not be applied to customers participating
in the California Special Supplemental Food Program for Women, Infants, and Children,
the State Department of Social Services Food Stamp program, or other govemmentsubsidized
purchase programs for low-income residents.

So if you are on welfare you are exempt from all of this. So much for equal protection.


30 posted on 02/10/2013 7:52:35 AM PST by artichokegrower
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
Red Foxx would have been onto this:


31 posted on 02/10/2013 8:15:00 AM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I always thought San Franciscoans were sack-religious.


32 posted on 02/10/2013 8:19:04 AM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
San Francisco health officer Tomas Aragon reviewed Klick and Wright's paper and found “a biologically plausible hypothesis” but “sloppy” research. “It's a complicated topic. It's a little surprising that (they) would put this out there without a peer review,” he added.

You mean, like Manmade Global Warming?

33 posted on 02/10/2013 8:45:41 AM PST by Chgogal (Obama murdered the SEALs.They "were hung out to dry, basically exposed like a set of dog balls,...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin; forester

We need to go back to paper. It is recyclable, biodegradable, and renewable. Moreover, we do need an economic reason to harvest more timber at a higher price simply because the selective logging we need to reduce overstocking costs more than clear cutting.


34 posted on 02/10/2013 10:03:41 AM PST by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: driftless2
Funny how often that law hits liberals upside the head.

Only place to hit one with the least chance of doing any lasting harm.
35 posted on 02/10/2013 4:12:05 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (John Winthrop's "City upon a Hill" just became a midden heap. Infested with rats and other vermin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-35 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson