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David Brooks: The Establishment Will Eventually Win Fight Against Tea Party
RCP ^ | 02/11/2013

Posted on 02/10/2013 7:33:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Edited on 02/10/2013 7:35:11 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

JUDY WOODRUFF, PBS NEWSHOUR: Well, bring it back home, and talking about politics, pure politics, inside the Republican Party, David, it looks like there are some -- we have seen some evidence of this, but now it looks like it's more out in the open, that some of the traditional -- folks we thought of as being traditional leaders of the Republican Party are openly challenging the Tea Party.


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1 posted on 02/10/2013 7:33:23 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberty will be crushed.

Orwell was right.


2 posted on 02/10/2013 7:35:23 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have no doubt that the GOP Establishment Elites will be working behind the scenes with Team Obama to defeat the real conservatives that make up the TEA Party movement.


3 posted on 02/10/2013 7:35:54 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: SeekAndFind

By TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party he means the American taxpayers. By the “establishment”, he means freeloaders dependent upon the government and other people’s money for their existence.


4 posted on 02/10/2013 7:36:50 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Consider the soured: PBS NEWSHOUR

The (RINO) Establishment will not win. Keep your eye on Ted Cruz.

More Leftist Propaganda. More lies just like the WON.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 7:37:52 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: SeekAndFind

David Brooks ought to just switch parties and be done with it.
Same thing for David Gergen, Joe Scarborough, and any other pundit who pretends to be a “moderate” Republican.


6 posted on 02/10/2013 7:39:32 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Texas Fossil
The (RINO) Establishment will not win.

They won the battle against the Reaganites.

7 posted on 02/10/2013 7:41:50 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If so, they win by losing. We saw a lot of people stay home in 2012, and that will only grow if the party ignores conservative principles.

It is remarkable to watch a party that consistantly wins with conservatism on the ballot and consistantly loses when moderate, yet the ‘smart’ people always push to the middle.


8 posted on 02/10/2013 7:41:58 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The GOPe are Kapo republicans.

They’ll help keep the prisoners in line as long as their leftist SS masters throw them a few crumbs.


9 posted on 02/10/2013 7:43:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

David Brooks... Go back to what you know, like the study of pant creases, you ignorant POS.


10 posted on 02/10/2013 7:44:22 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The one who will win in the end is God. In fact He has already won this debate. We are all just playing catch up.


11 posted on 02/10/2013 7:49:22 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: SeekAndFind

The TEA party movement, since the establishment has decided they are to be defeated, may end up facing a stark choice: Capitulate, or bring down the establishment.

TEA parties were designed to influence the establishment, not to destroy it. The establishment’s choice to confront the movement head-on means that the TEA party movement will either adapt to battlefield conditions or perish.

In my humble opinion, adaptation for survival is imperative.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 7:56:03 AM PST by MortMan (Disarming the sheep only emboldens the wolves.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t bet on it Dave.


13 posted on 02/10/2013 7:58:21 AM PST by AdaGray (squi)
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To: Howie66
The denizens of DC, THE POLITICAL CLASS, are as much an enemy of the American people as the raghead terrorists in the middle east, the chicoms, the russians , the mexicans and the latin american communists.

Problem is, the WASHINGTONIANS are a lot closer, have direct access to our bank accounts, and can jail anybody on trumped up charges.

Primary all incumbents and elect citizens who pledge to go to DC not to reform the federal apparatus but to dismantle it.

14 posted on 02/10/2013 7:58:58 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends



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15 posted on 02/10/2013 8:02:59 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Texas Fossil

RINO is a misnomer. Considering the leadership of the party and the majority of its representatives....RINOs ARE the Republican Party.

Rather than label them as RINOs....call them what they are...Republicans.

It is conservatives who are in the minority.


16 posted on 02/10/2013 8:03:57 AM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: SeekAndFind
A Pyrrhic Victory at best...
17 posted on 02/10/2013 8:05:52 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Moonman62
They won the battle against the Reaganites.

That was in a large part Reagan's fault. I have always wondered why Reagan didn't groom a successor to carry on his policies--for example, naming Jack Kemp to a prominent position in the Cabinet. When the 1988 Republican presidential primary race came down to Bush vs. Dole, the Reagan revolution was over.

18 posted on 02/10/2013 8:06:50 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: SeekAndFind

the ‘establishment’ gets its power and money from taxes

the TEA party wants to radically cut taxation and govt spending

of course the two will collide... they’re natural enemies

(remember this the next time you think your congresscritter will do something right)


19 posted on 02/10/2013 8:09:38 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
By TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party he means the American taxpayers. By the “establishment”, he means freeloaders dependent upon the government and other people’s money for their existence.

Well, I think one problem is that the Tea Party movement was more or less unanimous in its opposition to Obamacare. However, many of the Tea Party folks have no appetite for cutting the entitlement programs (Social Security, Medicare) that many of them receive. Ever since the GOP began talking more about cutting Social Security and Medicare and less about cutting Obamacare, there have been fewer large Tea Party events.

20 posted on 02/10/2013 8:11:28 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A discussion between two liberals on Tea Party and establishment Republicans. Pfffft.

I’m in it for the long haul. The Tea party citizens are still fairly new on the scene, Republican establishment, a lot longer. There is no instant gratification here...and it will be a long term effort.

To paraphrase Bush the elder...those who are proclaiming the death of the Tea Party can put the harps back in the closet. Especially if its coming from liberals.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 8:22:54 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Fiji Hill
The Reagan revolution and economic expansion lasted until W was elected. I remember when the media, yes the media, said that Clinton's economic policies validated Reagan.

Reagan had tremendous success against the traditional failings of the GOP. He didn't have much to work with. Most of his cabinet came from his California governor days or outside the GOP establishment.

The GOP had been the loser party since Hoover. Reagan changed that for twenty years before it went back to being the loser party. That's more than what anybody else accomplished. Reagan's gone. It's up to us now.

22 posted on 02/10/2013 8:24:36 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
The GOP had been the loser party since Hoover. Reagan changed that for twenty years before it went back to being the loser party.

And as long as we continue to send in candidates like that bunch of has-beens and never-will-bes that contended for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012, we will continue to be the loser party.

23 posted on 02/10/2013 8:38:56 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: SueRae
A discussion between two liberals on Tea Party and establishment Republicans. Pfffft.

No surprise. It's the PBS News Hour.

24 posted on 02/10/2013 8:44:15 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Tau Food
However, many of the Tea Party folks have no appetite for cutting the entitlement programs (Social Security, Medicare)<<

The problem is...There is no free lunch over time!!!....inflation will lead every increase in benefits and the faster they do it the more the recipients fall behind....its baked in the cake

25 posted on 02/10/2013 8:56:44 AM PST by M-cubed
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To: ilgipper
"If so, they win by losing."

Thats exactly what their job is as body guards of the democrats.

26 posted on 02/10/2013 9:00:34 AM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: M-cubed
The problem is...There is no free lunch over time!!!

Time?

For seniors on Social Security and Medicare, the short run is the long run.

27 posted on 02/10/2013 9:01:35 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Moonman62

They cannot win an election without US.

So, who needs who?

Either they represent us, the conservative voting element, or they go the way of the Whig Party. There are no other options.

Are we prepared to have Commie Dems forever? I am not.

I can assure you that the Texas GOP is conservative. If you have any doubts, watch Ted Cruz. And for that matter Texas AG Gregg Abott, who needs to be our next Governor.


28 posted on 02/10/2013 9:38:22 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: SeekAndFind

Wishful thinking on the part of the GOP establishment . . . voters are becoming more self-educated thanks to new media and the internet, and there’s no shutting the barn door after the horse has escaped.


29 posted on 02/10/2013 9:41:32 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: ilgipper

That’s exactly right. how do they plan on turning all of this money and skullduggery against the TEA Party movement into actual votes?


30 posted on 02/10/2013 9:46:53 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Texas Fossil
They cannot win an election without US.

I don't think they want to win. The Democrats are good at building the Big Government they want. As long as they stay large enough to funnel money to their insiders, they're happy.

31 posted on 02/10/2013 9:48:44 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
Consider a piece entitled, "Isaiah's Job," extracted from Albert Jay Nock's 1937, "Free Speech and Plain Language," Chapter 13, republished by FEE (Foundation for Economic Education).

America's Founders expressed in our Declaration of Independence, and throughout their writings and speeches, a "reliance on Divine Providence."

After decades of neglect, censorship, and outright attempts to obliterate their ideas of liberty from the minds of America's citizens by the enemies of freedom, technology suddenly has brought about a revival of those ideas.

The citizen movement described by Brooks and clueless "progressives" as the Taxed Enough Already "party" may be proof that the 100+-year effort of so-called "progressives" to impose a counterfeit set of ideas on America is encountering and engaging an informed "remnant" in defense of liberty.

Perhaps this Nock piece may serve to remind today's citizens of some things they need to consider, especially the implications of paragraphs five and seven.

Back in the Year 1987, during the Constitution's Bicentennial celebration, Dr. Russell Kirk contributed an essay to the volume, "Our Ageless Constitution," entitled, "The Responsibility of Citizens," a portion of which is reprinted, with permission, below. Dr. Kirk recalls another quotation from Albert Jay Nock which, in retrospect, may hold special meaning today.

THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CITIZENS

"Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature." - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787

Background And Original Intent

"A good constitution is the greatest blessing which a socie­ty can enjoy." So said James Wilson, in his oration at Philadelphia on July 4, 1788, celebrating the adoption of the Constitution of the United States. Wilson, who signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, preached startlingly democratic theories - more democratic than the ideas of any other delegate to the Constitutional Convention.

Yet James Wilson emphasized the duties, as well as the rights, of citizens:

"Need I infer, that it is the duty of every citizen to use his best and most unremitting endeavours for preserving it [the Constitution] pure, healthful, and vigorous? For the accomplishment of this great purpose, the exertions of no one citizen are unimportant. Let no one, therefore harbour, for a moment, the mean idea, that he is and can be of no value to his country: let the contrary manly impres­sion animate his soul. Every one can, at many times, perform, to the state, useful services; and he, who steadily pursues the road of patriotism, has the most inviting prospect of being able, at some times, to perform eminent ones."

Wilson's argument is quite as sound now as it was two centuries ago. The success of the American Republic as a political structure has been the consequence, in very large part, of the voluntary participation of citizens in public affairs - enlisting in the army in time of war; serving on school boards; taking part unpaid in political campaigns; petitioning legislatures; sup­porting the President in an hour of crisis; and in a hundred other great ways, or small-assuming responsibility for the com­mon good. The Constitution has functioned well, most of the time, because conscientious men and women have given it flesh.

The Premises of Americans' Responsibility Under the Constitution of 1787

In the matters which most immediately affect private life, power should remain in the hands of the citizens, or of the several states - not in the possession of federal government. So, at least, the Constitution declares. Americans have no official cards of identity, or internal passports, or system of national registration of all citizens - obligations imposed upon citizens in much of the rest of the world. This freedom results from Americans' voluntary assumption of responsibility.

In matters of public concern, it was the original intent to keep authority as close to home as possible. The lesser courts, the police, the maintenance of roads and sanitation, the levying of real-property taxes, the control of public schools, and many other essential functions still are carried on by the agen­cies of local community: the township, the village, the city, the county, the voluntary association. Citizens' cooperation in voluntary community throughout the United States has been noted and commended in the books of Alexis de Tocqueville, Lord Bryce, Julian Marias, and other distinguished visitors to the United States, over the past two centuries:

A republic whose citizens - whose leaders, indeed - are concerned chiefly with "looking out for Number One," and ig­noring their responsibilities of citizenship, soon cannot "insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare" - or carry on the other major duties of the state. When the crisis comes, the people may turn in desperation to the hero-administrator, the misty figure somewhere at the summit. But in the end, that hero­administrator will not save the republic, although he may govern for a time by force. A democratic republic cannot long endure unless a great many of its citizens stand ready and will­ing to brighten the corner where they are, and to sacrifice much for the nation, if need be.

Has The Consciousness of Responsibility Withered in America?

For the past five or six decades, several perceptive observers have remarked, an increasing proportion of the American population has ceased to feel responsible for the common defense, for productive work, for choosing able men and women to represent them in politics, for accepting personal responsibility for the needs of the community, or even for their own livelihood. Unless this deterioration is arrested, the responsible citizens will be too few to support and protect the irresponsible. By 1978 there were more people receiving regular government checks than there were workers in the private sector.

What follows, if we are to judge by the history of fallen civilizations, is described by Albert Jay Nock in his book Memoirs of a Superfluous Man (1943):

"... closer centralization; a steadily growing bureaucracy; State power and faith in State power increasing; social power and faith in social power diminishing; the State absorbing a continually larger proportion of the national income; production languishing; the State in consequence taking over one 'essential industry' after another, managing them with ever-increasing corruption, inefficiency, and prodigality, and finally resorting to a system of forced labor. Then at some point in this process a collision of State interests, at least as general and as violent as that which occurred in 1914, will result in an industrial and financial dislocation too severe for the asthenic [weak] social structure to bear; and from this the State will be left to 'the rusty death of machinery' and the casual anonymous forces of dissolution."

Modem civilization offers a great variety of diversions, amusements, and enticements - some of them baneful. But modem civilization does not offer many inducements to the performance of duties, except perhaps monetary payment, and certainly it does not teach people that the real reward for responsible citizenship is the preservation of a free society.

It is not money that can induce citizens to labor and sacrifice for the common good. They must be moved by patriotism and their attachment to the Constitution. And patriotism alone, ignorant boasting about ones native land, would not suffice to preserve the Republic.

Thus it is that on the occasion of the Bicentennial celebrating of the Constitution, a mighty effort ought to be made to restore the American public's awareness of the principles of their government, of their responsibilities toward their country, their neighbors, their children, their parents, and themselves to be sure that their patriotism is based on this solid foundation. No one knows how late the hour is; but it is later than most people think. Love of the Republic shelters all our other loves; and that love is worth some sacrifice. . . ." (End of excerpt - Essay may be downloaded here).

The seedbed of ideas which produced the Declaration of Independence may yet yield its harvest, as it is kept alive in the minds of citizens.

32 posted on 02/10/2013 9:50:33 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: SeekAndFind

The Republican “establishment” may well win the fight against the Tea Party - but lose the war against the Socialist Democrats. - Or is that their true aim anyway?


33 posted on 02/10/2013 10:04:27 AM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: Moonman62

I contribute to the Texas GOP, but not one dime to the RNC.

That could change, but not soon.

It is their choice the direction this moves.

They fight the fight and stop being traitors, or go the way of the Whig Party. No other options.


34 posted on 02/10/2013 10:07:43 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOPe may win the struggle to remain the Stupid (out of power) Party.


35 posted on 02/10/2013 10:12:53 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind
Here comes the third party (real American Conservatives) leaving Karl Rove and the establishment RINO’s holding their tallywackers!

Every time you here about “change” ever notice, it is the Conservatives in the Republican party that need to change (moderate) their positions! when the leftist were kicking out their “blue dog democrats” in their party, not a word about [moderation]!

Time for the American people to rise up (tea party) and push a third party. They may not win elections at first, but, as the Country continues down the path of destruction, the third party will begin to look more and more as a viable party to lead this great nation back from this socialist nightmare!

Ask yourself exactly what does the establishment Republican party stand for? Does anyone know? Every time they are elected to office with the support and direct participation of the Tea Party (2010) they (RINO's) simply become leftist Democrats, voting with them and blaming the tea party for any failures they encounter along the way, giving Obumbum and his socialist ilk anything they wants making deals behind closed doors, kissing each other on the lips and patting themselves on the back for a great job.

Enough is enough! I say third party now, get it over with. The Tea Party cannot work with the establishment who are committed to obtaining more and more power, not in bringing this Nation back under the limitations placed on it in the Constitution. The establishment RINO's are hand and glove with democrats, the old media, and socialist who all are after “power” and could care less about the American people who work hard everyday to make this Country the greatest Nation on the earth! Americans are seeing just how hated the American Tea Party is with this jihad actively working (Karl Rove) to defeat them in the primaries. Americans can rise up just like they did in 2010 and instead of backing the Republican Party, back a third party candidate that will actually make a difference in reestablishing our Constitutional Government, for the people and by the people!

Eight Deuce on the Loose!!!!!

36 posted on 02/10/2013 10:13:32 AM PST by paratrooper82 (82nd ABN Div. 1/508th BN "Fury From the Sky")
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To: Tau Food

NOT MANY OF US IN THE TEA PARTY who are on Social Security are opposed to biting the bullet and taking any cuts necessary to heal the abominable, dishonorable mountain of debt that Obama and Congress keeps piling up. - (We paid into that “system” for many years, our employers paid half of it to a hefty tune. When we were young, we upkept YOUR Mammies & Grandaddies with SS after they got old; WE WORKED, and STILL work; most NEVER retiring any more - even into our late 60’s and 70’s.) Your adamant assertions are BOGUS!


37 posted on 02/10/2013 10:14:14 AM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: Twinkie

Only reason establishment republicans are winning is because the tea pay is letting them.


38 posted on 02/10/2013 10:18:12 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Vote Constitution Party! Forget the Republican Party it is has been co opted by liberal/moderate faction that is not going anywhere.


39 posted on 02/10/2013 10:28:20 AM PST by doc
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To: Twinkie
NOT MANY OF US IN THE TEA PARTY who are on Social Security are opposed to biting the bullet and taking any cuts

How much of a cut in SS checks do you recommend? Fifty percent? Thirty percent?

Do you recommend that we cut Medicare benefits? How about fifty dollar copays to see doctors? How about repealing the prescription drug benefits?

Are you sure that's what seniors in the Tea Party want? Do you really think that you can get many of them to show up at a rally to cut their own benefits?

Maybe you're right, but I doubt it. They came out to oppose Obamacare, but I don't think that they'll show up to cut Medicare or Social Security.

Getting the government completely out of health care would be great, but I'm not sure it's really doable.

40 posted on 02/10/2013 10:31:43 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Rome2000

Agreed!

Honestly, I have more contempt and loathing for the Establishment Elites than I do for anybody.


41 posted on 02/10/2013 10:34:24 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: SeekAndFind
"David Brooks: The Establishment Will Eventually Win Fight Against Tea Party"

The economic decline, repudiations and currency adjustments will win against the establishment. The spoiled rotten will fall like rain from the economy, too--not only many of the less productive among the poor. The way will be open for new, small competition.

Be ready to produce, when the time comes. And don't let hysteria/doomsday propaganda distract you from properly getting ready. ["Properly:" We're not going back to the Stone Age, contrary to popular media propaganda. Focus on production tools and knowledge.]


42 posted on 02/10/2013 10:35:02 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The neurotic little fudgepacker David Brooks is only one step ahead of the guys with the oxygen masks at Bellevue.

One of these fine days he'll OD for good.

43 posted on 02/10/2013 10:47:55 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: ilgipper

“If so, they win by losing. We saw a lot of people stay home in 2012, and that will only grow if the party ignores conservative principles.”

My sentiment exactly. I did not stay home, but I WILL NOT vote for a Republican candidate again while I hold my nose. If they defeat the conservatives - which they prefer to call Tea Party - I predict a mass exodus from the GOP among my friends and family.


44 posted on 02/10/2013 10:57:15 AM PST by texteacher
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To: ilgipper

“If so, they win by losing. We saw a lot of people stay home in 2012, and that will only grow if the party ignores conservative principles.”

My sentiment exactly. I did not stay home, but I WILL NOT vote for a Republican candidate again while I holding my nose. If they defeat the conservatives - which they prefer to call Tea Party - I predict a mass exodus from the GOP among my friends and family.


45 posted on 02/10/2013 10:57:58 AM PST by texteacher
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To: SeekAndFind
Tea Party: David Brooks and his beloved Establishment Will Eventually Lose

Mr. Creased Pant Leg has no credibility ... “I remember distinctly an image of--we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant,” Brooks says, “and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.”

46 posted on 02/10/2013 11:22:23 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Fiji Hill

Reagan was forced to take GHWBush by the GOPe. They (the GD Yankee Rooozzzevelt Repubs) had tried to force GHWB on Nixon...it’s all there in the History books.


47 posted on 02/10/2013 1:40:49 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa
Reagan was forced to take GHWBush by the GOPe. They (the GD Yankee Rooozzzevelt Repubs) had tried to force GHWB on Nixon...it’s all there in the History books.

He should have told them all to go jump in the Detroit River. After all, he had handily defeated Bush, the the GOPe's candidate, in the primaries. Had Reagan picked as his running mate Sen Paul Laxalt (R-Nev.), whom it is said that he really wanted, the name Bush would only be known today among collectors of political campaign buttons.

48 posted on 02/10/2013 2:04:03 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Texas Fossil

“They cannot win an election without US.

“So, who needs who?

“Either they represent us, the conservative voting element, or they go the way of the Whig Party. There are no other options.”

That’s the problem with establishment Republicans, and it has been that way since Rockefeller and Lodge. They don’t want to win nationally and don’t need to. They just need to keep themselves and a few of their milksop cronies in office to keep the gravy train rolling. They don’t want anything disturb their comfortable club.

I agree that they need to go the way of the Whigs. I posted that somewhere on here a couple of weeks ago.
Let’s get a movement started.


49 posted on 02/10/2013 4:25:46 PM PST by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s welcome to his opinion, but here’s how it plays out if he’s right:

1) The Establishment chooses the candidates, and the conservatives stay home. With that, we are left with 150 House seats and roughly 40 Senate seats (10 of them RINOs). The presidency stays with the Dems (as we know Establishment candidates simply cannot draw from the other sise).

2) The Tea Party breaks off and forms a Third Party. The Dems stay unified and again win supermajories, as above, and keep the presidency, as above.

So which outcome is better for the country, David?


50 posted on 02/10/2013 4:30:16 PM PST by BobL
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