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I'd love to Change the World.
Me | 02/10/13 | Me

Posted on 02/10/2013 12:05:11 PM PST by Zeneta

I'd love to Change the World.

But I don't know what to do. And I leave it up to you.

Common Sense 2.0 (Thomas Paine, for those who have been sleeping)

I have an idea that I'd like to vet out here.


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Call me crazy and I'll take the jabs, however I have given this a lot of thought.

Goal 1: Get people to think about the role of Government in their lives and undermine it's influence.

Goal 2: Promote the individual and their uniqueness by destroying group think.

How: This part will require the understanding of how message's are "perceived". And the type of message that will be considered.

First rule: You can't TELL ANYONE WHAT to believe. (they must discover things for themselves)

Second rule: As a consequence of the first rule, any and all messages must NEVER have a source or any possibility to attach a political party to the message. Messages must appeal to the inherent qualities that everyone has.

If you're still reading, thanks.

Propaganda.

Decentralized propaganda.

Random distribution of thought provoking pamphlets that raise questions and doubt.

Anonymity is a critical component. Any hint of the source will be attacked and as a result never considered.

I'd like to see or create a dozen or more Pamphlets,(not one page flyers that are easily discarded)but folded pamphlets of 6 to 8 pages. The text of these can be printed, stapled and distributed throughout the Country with very little cost and effort. Propaganda.

Propaganda, with NO source.

Imagine if tens of thousands of pamphlets were left out in public, all over the country, anonymously, consistently. Getting people to try to figure out who is behind it, what it means?

So, what is a "Thought provoking Message" that can fill 6 to 8 pages?

I have some ideas.

But.

I'll leave that up to you.

1 posted on 02/10/2013 12:05:16 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta
Goal 1: Get people to think about the role of Government in their lives and undermine it's influence.

I wonder if Homeland Security putting a big red question mark on this goal about now.

2 posted on 02/10/2013 12:11:43 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: oldbrowser

The fundamental question for everyone is;

Who do you trust?

Government?

or yourself?


3 posted on 02/10/2013 12:13:56 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

Our Constitution used to work with the American Culture of the past.

Our changing culture is responsible for the decline of the American Republic.

You cannot change the culture through legislation.

Enjoy each day as best you can because it will get steadily worse.

It is good to be old.


4 posted on 02/10/2013 12:14:55 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

I’m talking about changing the culture.

Because the culture is lost.

It is lost because it has no foundation.

For well over 60 years it has been the goal of Progressives to destroy this foundation.

They have succeeded by replacing virtue with the uncertainty of relativism.

This is the target of my effort.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 12:19:39 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

Pray without ceasing

- Paul of Tarsus


6 posted on 02/10/2013 12:22:20 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (we're the Beatniks now)
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To: gorush

“It is good to be old.”

I agree. I have had a good life. I was raised in the 1950’s and had the best childhood ever. But I still cry-mostly a nighttime. Because my grandchildren will never live in the type of world I did.

I would like to retire and rest for the time I have left in this world. But I can’t. I have to fight with my last breathe to try to change what I can for my grandkids or I will have failed them.


7 posted on 02/10/2013 12:22:46 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Zeneta
"I’m talking about changing the culture."

That is a pretty tall order. The culture flows like an unstoppable wave throughout human history. Maybe a single person, or a group of like minded individuals, can mold the culture to their dreams...but I doubt it.

Good luck, though.

8 posted on 02/10/2013 12:25:31 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Zeneta

Second rule: As a consequence of the first rule, any and all messages must NEVER have a source or any possibility to attach a political party to the message. Messages must appeal to the inherent qualities that everyone has.

That is the hard part. When I approach people, they say they are “not interested” in politics as if politics does not affect their life. Unfortunately, some of the people I have met out there seem to have NO inherent qualities. They are all so self-centered they can’t see past their only little part of the world.


9 posted on 02/10/2013 12:27:23 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Wisconsinlady

The self-centered are a big part of who I’m targeting.

Ask them, how comfortable they are being TOLD what they can do?


10 posted on 02/10/2013 12:32:48 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

The problem with changing the culture is, “everywhere are freaks and hairies, dykes and fairies..”

And that is just a small part; Alvin Lee had it down pretty good. Listen to the rest of the song and he describes pretty well what we’re up against. Not bad for ‘71, eh?


11 posted on 02/10/2013 12:35:34 PM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: Zeneta
I'd love to Change the World.
But I don't know what to do. And I leave it up to you.
... (Thomas Paine, for those who have been sleeping)

Reads more like Alvin Lee to me...

12 posted on 02/10/2013 12:36:55 PM PST by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

There’s an old phrase “All politics is local”

I’m talking about getting as local as you can.

Appeal to the core of their Human nature.

When and if, push comes to shove, they will be the first ones demanding to be left alone.


13 posted on 02/10/2013 12:37:45 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta
The fundamental question for everyone is;
Who do you trust?
Government?
or yourself?

Neither really
God is the correct answer
Self is a distant second

Government/Corporations/Banks/Unions
ANY large Incorporated Self
can suck eggs

14 posted on 02/10/2013 12:38:43 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: NonLinear

Hey There,

you found me out.

I promise, this isn’t a music Thread.


15 posted on 02/10/2013 12:39:20 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: HangnJudge

I agree that God is the answer.

But in the meantime, there needs to be a process for replacing the State in order to take the first steps.


16 posted on 02/10/2013 12:41:51 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

Like the frog in a pot of water being brought to a slow boil, the dumb sheeple don’t even realize they are being slowly killed. They are more concerned with the Kardashians than the Clintons.


17 posted on 02/10/2013 12:43:56 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: cardinal4

The fact is.

The Anti-Government music of the 60s and 70s can be used against the progressives today.

And it will resonate.


18 posted on 02/10/2013 12:46:01 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta
I’m talking about getting as local as you can.
Appeal to the core of their Human nature.

I talk about this Daily at work
Love the LORD THY GOD
Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself

Be Kind One to Another, tenderhearted, forgiving
Do Justly, Love Mercy, Walk Humbly

Cease to put your trust in Earthly Institutions
Cease to give your Love to Mammon

It is a Very Personal Effort, a few Hearts are turned

19 posted on 02/10/2013 12:49:20 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Wisconsinlady

BTW,

You should lobby to change Wisconsin’s state Motto.

It should be:

“More lakes than Minnesota”

“Less cheese than California”


20 posted on 02/10/2013 12:51:18 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

I’d love to Change the World.


1) party’s are becoming and almost are Now obsolete...

2) drop the party, any party...

3) join a caucus.. example: Tea PArty which is not a party.. or another one..

4) no caucus you like ........ START ONE....

**Note: thats if you believe the voting system is not totally corrupt.. Much data says it is..
In which case there are other options.. a brief study of history displays them..


21 posted on 02/10/2013 12:58:50 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Zeneta
there needs to be a process for replacing the State

The place it needs replacing in in Their Hearts

In the process, a LOT of people are going to die....
The Steamroller is coming, and it is huge
We are well past the tipping point, and
The Suffering will be Egregious

22 posted on 02/10/2013 12:59:38 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Zeneta

One of the few songs I can still play.


23 posted on 02/10/2013 1:02:38 PM PST by D Rider
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To: HangnJudge

I agree with this post and your previous post.

I also, believe that there are millions of Americans that have a sense of uncertainty and can’t quite put their finger on it.

They won’t explore God, if they are TOLD he is the answer.

They may explore God if all other possibilities are exhausted.

I would like to exploit their uneasiness by creating an even greater uneasiness.


24 posted on 02/10/2013 1:05:56 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

Gosh mister, I don’t know.

Hmmmm, Who does the state trust more, random citizens or it’s own police?

The LAPD trusts God knows how many random citizens to bring in Dorner. Heck, they’ll even give the winner a million bux.

I would put very good money on none of those unknown thousands shooting a grey-haired hispanic lady in the back.

Gonna be a bad week to be a big bald back dude, though...


25 posted on 02/10/2013 1:08:32 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Zeneta
Post "I'd Love to Change the World" with only 2 lines of the lyrics of the song?

Even ,though almost 40 years old, no song captured better what's going on today than Alvin Lee & Ten Years After's song. So here's the rest and a youtube:

Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

Population keeps on breeding
Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
Life is funny, skies are sunny
Bees make honey, who needs money, monopoly

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

World pollution, there's no solution
Institution, electrocution
Just black and white, rich or poor
Them and us, stop the war

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

________YOUTUBE_______

26 posted on 02/10/2013 1:10:06 PM PST by drpix
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To: Zeneta

I know! I actually think the happy California Cows commercials are pretty cute where they are running away from cold Wisconsin and walking to California.


27 posted on 02/10/2013 1:10:24 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Zeneta

I know! I actually think the happy California Cows commercials are pretty cute where they are running away from cold Wisconsin and walking to California.


28 posted on 02/10/2013 1:10:28 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Zeneta

Everybody wants to change the world, nobody wants to learn to write grammatically correct English.


29 posted on 02/10/2013 1:12:25 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Zeneta
I would like to exploit their uneasiness
by creating an even greater uneasiness.

To Repent, one needs to see ones Sins

Kindness will go a long way toward opening Hearts

30 posted on 02/10/2013 1:19:21 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Zeneta
I'm not sure that any government schooled citizens have the ability to understand, analyze and logic through these arguments to arrive at the belief discovery point you intend.

And I'm not sure they can read well enough.

You are right about them having to discover for themselves.

31 posted on 02/10/2013 1:21:14 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Zeneta
Should've been a lot more famous. Could play circles around Clapton, Beck and Page.


32 posted on 02/10/2013 1:22:08 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Navy Patriot

If you can’t get them where they think, get them where they feel.


33 posted on 02/10/2013 1:26:37 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Wlhie comomn ajedictves aomng psosesivse ponourns may ltiter my psot.

You got my meaning.


34 posted on 02/10/2013 1:30:09 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

6-8 pages of that distributed anonymously, as you suggest, and you’ll change the world!


35 posted on 02/10/2013 1:32:58 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: null and void

I like the same position my hippie girlfriend likes, I think I know what it is...


36 posted on 02/10/2013 1:33:36 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Zeneta
If you're still reading, thanks.

Isn't that the problem? Everything is a sound byte. Or a visual. Mobile. Disintegrated.

37 posted on 02/10/2013 1:44:20 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: HangnJudge

I’ve spent the better part of the last 30 years, in one from or another, in sales and Financial services.

Here’s what I know.

Both Sales and Trading are a study of human nature.

In the Financial Services business, there is a tactic, a sales tactic, that asserts authority. In effect, follow me and my advise because you are too stupid to understand this on your own. This works very well for some advisers, and never worked for me. I have too much respect to take this approach. My approach was to guide individuals to logical conclusions. This approach in virtually all aspects of selling has hit a wall of cynicism and time.

Whether you are selling a product or an idea, you run into a cynical, skeptical majority that spends more time thinking about your motives, instead of what you are actually saying.

As far as repentance and sin are concerned. I find it very rare that someone would begin to question the foundations of their belief, short of a crisis.


38 posted on 02/10/2013 1:48:41 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Revolting cat!

YES !!!!


39 posted on 02/10/2013 1:49:44 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: bigheadfred

..Isn’t that the problem? Everything is a sound byte. Or a visual. Mobile. Disintegrated............


Yes.

There is a way around this.


40 posted on 02/10/2013 1:52:39 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta
A solution. Build more of these and place pamphlets within. A dual purpose. More jobs. You get the message...ummm...across, in anonymity.


41 posted on 02/10/2013 1:59:29 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: null and void

.......If you can’t get them where they think, get them where they feel..........


Thank you.

It’s the WHY !!!!

Emotion is not connected to the What or How.

It’s the why, that drives us.

It’s also no wonder that the question of why is under attack and there are efforts to remove it from scientific consideration.


42 posted on 02/10/2013 2:00:46 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

With much of the world dancing madly backwards, well, there ain’t no cure.


43 posted on 02/10/2013 2:01:57 PM PST by soycd
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To: Zeneta
I’ve spent the better part of the last 30 years,
in one from or another, in sales and Financial services

And this person's service has been in Medicine...
Suffering is hard to watch, especially when self inflicted

One sees a world full of self-inflicted wounds
Profoundly misdirected senses of self

A good discussion is in C.S. Lewis’
“The Great Divorce”

44 posted on 02/10/2013 2:09:13 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: bigheadfred

If a hundred thousand copies of “Common Sense”, the original by Thomas Paine, were distributed today, it would resonate among the people.

Except that a simple google search would identify the author in two seconds and the message, by default, will have lost all meaning.

Conservatives and Republicans are spinning their wheels trying to figure out the best message. I’ll add Evangelical Christians to the mix.

Get this now.

It’s not the Message.

It’s the Messenger.


45 posted on 02/10/2013 2:13:57 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: gorush
It is good to be old.

I'm of the same thinking. What a difference between growing up in the late 40s and 50s and now. It's sad that children growing up now will never experience the kind of freedoms and trust in others we experienced. It makes me sad to see the corruption of almost every institution and belief system we lived under.

46 posted on 02/10/2013 2:35:58 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: Drew68; NonLinear

But can you play this?

Solo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD-GrAMUzO8

Apologies to Mr. Linear, as I wasn’t going to make this about music.


47 posted on 02/10/2013 2:36:27 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

I applaud your thinking. I am at the point that taking over the parties is the only way to change it. We (the silent majority) have been so focused on keeping a job, raising kids, and all the other things that we allowed the wackos to take over the parties (all of them) and it is time to reengage and take it back.


48 posted on 02/10/2013 2:39:38 PM PST by vet7279 (Those of you who think you know it all are very annoying to those of us who do!)
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To: Zeneta
"I’m talking about changing the culture."

If our religious leaders would quit fighting with one another like fishwives tying to outdo each other and concentrate on the true meaning of Christianity. Working together instead of against each other maybe we could change the direction of the morals and ethics which are the basis of culture.

One person can do much, but all of our religious leaders pulling together could do so much more.

49 posted on 02/10/2013 2:39:56 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Zeneta

“God Damn, well I declare, have you seen the like, their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is ‘Don’t Tread on Me’..”
You are 100% correct about the songs of that age applying now against the Left. Good post..


50 posted on 02/10/2013 2:46:25 PM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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