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The secret war behind Benghazi (lot's of good info)
NYPost.com ^ | 2/10/2013 | KYLE SMITH

Posted on 02/10/2013 2:14:36 PM PST by RoosterRedux

Obama gave his chief counterterrorism advisor, John Brennan, who is now the nominee to be the next leader of the CIA, a blank check. Brennan could do just about whatever he needed to do in North Africa and the Mideast, contend Murphy and Webb. Brennan chose to conduct a dangerous classified war without looping in Stevens, who paid with his life for his ignorance, according to the book.

The Joint Special Operations Command, which Brennan controls, is a collection of special forces outside of the regular military command originally formed as a hostage-rescue team. But in the middle of last summer, say Murphy and Webb, troops operating clandestinely under JSOC began infiltrating Libya.

“With the first phase of the Global War on Terror (GWOT) all but over,” say Murphy and Webb, “JSOC was starting in on ‘GWOT Season 2,’ as it were, where North Africa was seen as the most dangerous hub of terrorist activity.”

Murphy and Webb go on to make a shocking charge: “The nature of these operations remains highly classified. They were never intended to be known to anyone outside a very small circle in the Special Operations community and within Obama’s National Security Council. Ambassador Stevens, the CIA chief of station in Tripoli and then-director of the CIA, Gen. [David] Petraeus, had little if any knowledge about these JSOC missions.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 02/10/2013 2:14:40 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: rodguy911; MestaMachine

ping


2 posted on 02/10/2013 2:16:38 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: RoosterRedux

The State Department, according to its websites and those of major NGOs like those of Soros, has been funding and organizing the “revolutions” in the mideast for years.

CIA and State leadership are pretty much the same thing, the new world order’s folks.

Billions of tax dollars have gone to NGOs to further goals that State claims are those of the U.S. government, which would be funny if it weren’t so bad.

new world order(tm) - “fomenting rebellions and agitating for a century”.

The new world order keeps its news media in line, however, so they will continue to draw attention away from their masters.


3 posted on 02/10/2013 2:31:07 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: RoosterRedux; MestaMachine
Many of the rebel leaders were sharia-loving members of al Qaeda who had come from jihadist strongholds in the cities of Derna and Benghazi, which are so tied up in Islamist fundamentalism that they were major exporters of guerrilla warriors who fought the US in Iraq.

Will take this sentence one football field further and state that state and defense departments and obama knew the weapons captured in libya would go to turkey then syria via major exporters in libya via islamist fundamentalists who this time had not only guerrilla warriors to export to syria but also weapons.

4 posted on 02/10/2013 2:31:22 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RoosterRedux

So what this is saying is that Brennan fudged up and as a reward Obama is making him CIA director.

Sounds about right.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 2:43:11 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

That about sums it up.

Was Brennan the moron who came up with the video excuse?


6 posted on 02/10/2013 2:48:11 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

That was probably huma or valerie.


7 posted on 02/10/2013 2:52:46 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RoosterRedux

so, are we saying the WH has a private army operating in the ME funded by the WH and directed by Obama’s boy, Brennan??


8 posted on 02/10/2013 3:16:18 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: RoosterRedux

so, are we saying the WH has a private army operating in the ME funded by the WH and directed by Obama’s boy, Brennan??


9 posted on 02/10/2013 3:16:18 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Obama wouldn’t be the first: Wilson had House to do his stuff, and FDR loved to have his own people working outside of channels.


10 posted on 02/10/2013 3:17:48 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...
As I said before...this book is full of SERIOUS disinfo. Believe at your own risk. It is designed to so nothing more or less than completely absolve petraeus...who is dirtier than the soles of a wellworn pair of old tennis shoes.
This is not to say that brennan isn't a blackhearted demon, but Benghazi was not his doing.

Anyone wanting on or off this ping list, please advise.


Benghazi Index

11 posted on 02/10/2013 3:20:12 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: MestaMachine

at the very least one can pray for more digging....


12 posted on 02/10/2013 3:24:32 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RoosterRedux

how’s this any different from a rogue group of operatives doing whatever they want?

there’s a reason for the chain of command


13 posted on 02/10/2013 3:32:53 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: RoosterRedux

"If it hadn't been for those meddling Navy Seals I could have had my Implements of War Shopping Center."

14 posted on 02/10/2013 3:36:30 PM PST by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: RoosterRedux

None of this explains why 20 to 30 people were supposed to be abandoned and left for dead with American and other friendly assets overhead or nearby. This does multiply the treason though.


15 posted on 02/10/2013 3:38:20 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: RoosterRedux
Sources: Key task force not convened during Benghazi consulate attack

CBS News has learned that during the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource: the Counterterrorism Security Group, (CSG).

"The CSG is the one group that's supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies," a high-ranking government official told CBS News. "They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon."


16 posted on 02/10/2013 3:42:18 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

added to both the Benghazi-Gate files

http://www.nachumlist.com/

and to the Obama “Dead Pool” files

http://www.nachumlist.com/deadpool.htm


17 posted on 02/10/2013 3:43:23 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: All
Meanwhile, 400 miles away, in Tripoli, Woods’ old Navy SEAL buddy Glen Doherty was rounding up the cavalry. The authors say that it’s a “media myth” that the diplomats’ cries for help were denied; in fact, at every stage of the game, aid was vigorous.

Yes, they got aid from within Libya! But they got nothing from outside Libya which would have required the Jug-Eared Skeet Shooter to man-up and issue a CBA along with orders to send a rescue mission.

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Three Facts

Fact One:

1) Only the POTUS can authorize a CBA (cross border authority) command for a rescue mission in a foreign nation.

Plus Fact Two:

2) No rescue mission was attempted.

Equals Fact Three:

3) 0bama turned his back on 41 State Dept. and CIA employees refusing to issue a CBA command and went to bed so he could go to Las Vegas the next day.

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Panetta says that we just didn't have any resources to mount a rescue. Oh, really?

There is no doubt whatsoever that the assets were in motion preparing to receive an order to go.

How the military preps.

How an embassy rescue works.

Cross Border Authority.

18 posted on 02/10/2013 3:59:46 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: All
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer: My sources tell me Obama was in the room watching Benghazi attack video 10-27-2012

Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said tonight that his sources tell him that Obama was one of the people in the room watching the Benghazi attack go down and both he and Col. David Hunt agree it would have taken an order by the president to intervene. Further, Col. Hunt said that we were only 20 min away by jet and a couple of hours away by AC-130 gunships and special forces, and the decision not to intervene had to be political.


19 posted on 02/10/2013 4:05:17 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: All
Obama Blew Off Benghazi After Scheduled Meeting February 7, 2013 By Daniel Greenfield

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified that they spoke to President Barack Obama only once on the evening of the Sept. 11, 2012, when U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya were under attack by terrorists.

Panetta and Dempsey had a pre-scheduled meeting with Obama at 5:00 p.m. Washington, D.C. time on Sept. 11. After that they did not speak to Obama and Obama did not speak to them. Neither Panetta nor Dempsey spoke to anyone in the White House that night after their meeting with Obama.


20 posted on 02/10/2013 4:08:08 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
Obama now has his own personal shadow intel gathering and spec-ops organization, which reports through Brennan.

And if Brennan becomes DCI, he will be able to clear the path for his Joint Special Operations Command and their private war to shape the Middle East to Obama's liking.

This will give Obama the opportunity to manipulate the ME so as to bring about his Caliphate.

Not saying he's the AC, but Obama is making all the right moves. For those of you who have exclaimed "he's to dumb to be the AC"...you might want to reconsider!

21 posted on 02/10/2013 4:10:10 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: BerryDingle

I want to know why none of those 20-30 have spoken with anyone, or even been identified. Or have I missed something?


22 posted on 02/10/2013 4:17:05 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: RoosterRedux
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23 posted on 02/10/2013 4:17:12 PM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: RoosterRedux
Do you ever watch Dual Survival? They have a new guy this year who is a 20 yr veteran of special forces missions. He's a great guy, I like him, but it immediately struck me sideways when they gave his bio as 'Force Recon Marines, Army Green Beret special operations and, last but not least, member of a highly classified counter-terrorist team not associated with the military.'

So, a lot like the drone program, we have teams of spec-ops warriors who are working without any oversight by the military which means there is no oversight by Congress.

I'm all for killing terrorists but what's the next step?

24 posted on 02/10/2013 4:19:10 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: timestax
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25 posted on 02/10/2013 4:19:17 PM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: FreedomPoster

I have no idea why some think these were Americans. Likely they were foreign nationals whose lives (and families’ lives) would be endangered by knowledge that they worked for America.

But it’s still a good question not asked by anyone in the MSM.


26 posted on 02/10/2013 4:20:41 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: TigersEye
Col. Hunt said that we were only 20 min away by jet and a couple of hours away by AC-130 gunships and special forces, and the decision not to intervene had to be political.

Sigonella NAS in Sicily was on stand-by.

Sigonella is only 470 miles from the compound in Benghazi...and they were on stand-by with jets and C-130's. Even the C-130 could have made the trip in a little over an hour. An F-18 could have made a visit in under a half an hour.

Just a show of force--a sonic boom--would have given our men an edge

27 posted on 02/10/2013 4:22:23 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Girlene; no-to-illegals
Was Brennan the moron who came up with the video excuse?

I don't think so.

Hillary Clinton is THE original source of the 'video did it' excuse for Benghazi, Cairo and all the rest of the embassy riots around the world. Hillary did it!

US Embassy in Cairo quietly deletes its ‘we stand by our condemnation’ tweet; Update: More deleted tweets!

Here is Hillary pushing it again on Sept. 13th.

Clinton: Anti-Islam Video 'Disgusting' (video 2:56)

Here is a 'senior administration official' trying to distance 0bamugabe from Hillary's f-up and at the same time admitting by inference that she was the source of the 'video did it' meme.

Senior administration official: The Cairo embassy’s statement does not reflect the view of the U.S. government; Update: Romney calls embassy statement “disgraceful”

posted at 10:34 pm on September 11, 2012 by Allahpundit

The White House is disavowing a statement from their own Cairo embassy that apologized for anti-Muslim activity in the United States.

“The statement by Embassy Cairo was not cleared by Washington and does not reflect the views of the United States government,” a senior administration official told POLITICO…

“Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind,” Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in a Tuesday statement.

And here 0bamugabe and Hillary work together to try to prop up her 'video did it' nonsense and spread it even further.

Obama and Hillary Apologize for Free Speech on Pakistani TV (taxpayer-funded ads) 09/20/2012

Nope, she never said anything about a 'video.'

Father of Fallen SEAL: Hillary Told Me They’d Get That Filmmaker Good 10/25/2012 videos at link

28 posted on 02/10/2013 4:22:31 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: timestax
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29 posted on 02/10/2013 4:25:00 PM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: jjotto
But it’s still a good question not asked by anyone in the MSM.

For the most part, the MSM is owned by the enemy. Why would they ask a question that would damage their interests?

I am astonished that sentient freepers are still incredulous about the behavior of the so-called MSM.

30 posted on 02/10/2013 4:26:48 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: timestax
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31 posted on 02/10/2013 4:27:07 PM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: TigersEye
Right.

Obama has not only divided the electorate...he has also divided our military and intel assets.

32 posted on 02/10/2013 4:29:19 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: timestax
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33 posted on 02/10/2013 4:29:22 PM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: RoosterRedux; Travis McGee

I can’t find my link to it now but early on there was an article about a special team from Germany that was moved to Sigonella ready and raring to go. As Travis McGee posted, they have teams who practice regularly for hostage/embassy rescue missions and they’ve been doing that for decades.


34 posted on 02/10/2013 4:29:24 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: timestax
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35 posted on 02/10/2013 4:31:20 PM PST by timestax (AMERICAN MEDIA= DOMESTIC ENEMY)
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To: TigersEye
Yep.

That was under the Africom commander, Carter F Ham, who has been relieved of duty (though we are unsure of the exact details of his "early" removal). Africom (U.S Africa Command) is headquartered in Stuttgart.

36 posted on 02/10/2013 4:36:07 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: TigersEye; RoosterRedux; Nachum; MestaMachine
Just looking at this earlier, from the point of the first phone call;

Something isn’t adding up here, first phone call to Washington from the Tactical Operations Center, at the top of the incident, approximately 9:42, as noted below in Background Briefing. Do Panetta Gen. Martin Dempsey at 10:32 sit on this and don’t react for another 28 minutes? This long of a wait, after the almost 50 minutes it takes for whoever first took a call for help? That’s about 78 minutes wasted after the first call for “help”, which would have been quite a specific call, as you'll see the situation the agent in the TOC(Tactical Operations Center) is in, then adding the last 30 minutes, that's 108 minutes passed...;

10:32 p.m. — The Office of the Secretary Defense and the Joint Staff are notified of the attack by the National Military Command Center at the Pentagon. “The information is quickly passed to Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey.”

11 p.m. — Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey meet with President Obama at the White House where they discuss the unfolding situation and how to respond. The meeting had been previously scheduled.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/09/obama-administration-continues-explanations-on-benghazi-decision-making/

According to the timeline Panetta and Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, were told of the attack about an hour after it started, as both men were on their way to the White House for an already scheduled meeting with President Barack Obama. Thirty minutes later the president was directing the Pentagon to do all it could to assist, according to senior Pentagon officials.

Background Briefing on Libya
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/10/198791.htm

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL NUMBER ONE: ...At 9:40 p.m., the agent in the TOC and the agents in Building C hear loud noises coming from the front gate. They also hear gunfire and an explosion. The agent in the TOC looks at his cameras – these are cameras that have pictures of the perimeter – and the camera on the main gate reveals a large number of people – a large number of men, armed men, flowing into the compound.

...that agent from the top of this incident, or the very beginning of this incident, has been on the phone. He had called the quick reaction security team, he had called the Libyan authorities, he had called the Embassy in Tripoli, and he had called Washington. He had them all going to ask for help. And he remained in the TOC.(Tactical Operations Center)

(more on the TOC )...The Tactical Operations Center, which is just across the way from Building B, has offices and a bedroom. That’s where the security officers had their main setup, that’s where the security cameras are, a lot of the phones – it’s basically their operations center. So I’ll call it the TOC from now on.

A few minutes later – we’re talking about 9 o’clock at night – the Ambassador retires to his room, the others are still at Building C, and the one agent in the TOC. At 9:40 p.m., the agent in the TOC and the agents in Building C hear loud noises coming from the front gate. They also hear gunfire and an explosion. The agent in the TOC looks at his cameras – these are cameras that have pictures of the perimeter – and the camera on the main gate reveals a large number of people – a large number of men, armed men, flowing into the compound. One special agent immediately goes to get the Ambassador in his bedroom and gets Sean, and the three of them enter the safe haven inside the building.

...The other agents who have heard the noise in the – at the front gate run to Building B or the TOC – they run to both, two of them to Building B, one to the TOC – to get their long guns and other kit.

...I should also have mentioned that at the very first moment when the agent in the TOC seized the people flowing through the gate, he immediately hits an alarm, and so there is a loud alarm. He gets on the public address system as well, yelling, “Attack, attack.” Having said that, the agents – the other agents had heard the noise and were already reacting.

...Okay. So we have agents in Building C – or an agent in Building C with the Ambassador and Sean, we have two agents in Building B, and we have two agents in the TOC.

...A third group of attackers tried to break into the TOC. They pound away at the door, they throw themselves at the door, they kick the door, they really treat it pretty rough; they are unable to get in, and they withdraw.

37 posted on 02/10/2013 4:40:23 PM PST by Son House (Romney Plan: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP.)
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To: Son House
Something isn’t adding up here, first phone call to Washington from the Tactical Operations Center, at the top of the incident, approximately 9:42,...

The first thing you need to do is realize that it was 3:42 PM EDST in D.C. 9:42 is the time in Benghazi Libya which is six hours earlier than in D.C.

38 posted on 02/10/2013 4:52:25 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

I think you meant later, as it was evening in Benghazi. There’s still 108 minutes of accounting for, as the attackers were unable to get in the Tactical Operations Center, so the agent in the TOC surely made that call at “the very beginning of this incident” as noted above from the SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL NUMBER ONE.


39 posted on 02/10/2013 5:03:03 PM PST by Son House (Romney Plan: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Yes, of course, the Democrats (who daily wet their pants over the Contras) would nominate Brennan for CIA. Nope, this doesn’t pass the common sense test.


40 posted on 02/10/2013 5:05:46 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Son House

Usually you state time zones to the east as ‘earlier’ since any given time comes before it does in the west.


41 posted on 02/10/2013 5:16:25 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for all the links. Yes, Hillary blamed the video, but whose idea was it? According to the book alleging this was blowback for secret ops run by Brennan/obama, State was not made aware of any of these op’s. Brennan had to know this was a retaliatory strike. I just wondered if he was the one to suggest it to obama/Hillary.


42 posted on 02/10/2013 5:20:47 PM PST by Girlene
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To: TigersEye

I see, I’m thinking it was later in the day over there, but basically your saying the sun has come and gone earlier. Thanks for helping me think that through.


43 posted on 02/10/2013 5:22:54 PM PST by Son House (Romney Plan: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Frightening, isn’t it? Hopefully some Senators pay attention to these allegations and start digging.


44 posted on 02/10/2013 5:23:05 PM PST by Girlene
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To: blueunicorn6

And Brennan is a convert (muslim)...the converts are the most devout...trying to prove their loyalty, I guess.


45 posted on 02/10/2013 5:25:05 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: Girlene
I think events are moving to fast for those who are in-the-box thinkers. I think all in Congress are in-the-box (or at least in the Beltway...which is the same thing).

If this Benghazi stuff and Brennan stuff is true (and we have no reason to doubt it--given what we know about Brennan and Benghazi)...this is shiite is way out of bounds for those in Congress.

They are scratching their heads wondering what the heck is going on.

Obama and Brennan are reshaping the ME and North Africa to their liking...and those in Congress are saying "what???"

46 posted on 02/10/2013 5:33:25 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Get armed, practice in the use of your weapons, get physically fit, stay alert!)
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To: FreedomPoster

All excellent questions. Congress won’t go near anyone with personal knowledge that doesn’t have a large career to lose, or especially Canadian, British, Australian embassy who offered help. The truth might be revealed.


47 posted on 02/10/2013 5:37:34 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Girlene
Yes, Hillary blamed the video, but whose idea was it?

She did more than just blame the video. The Cairo embassy, which was under her authority as Sec State, was the first to ever say anything about it. Hillary herself used the Cairo embassy twitter account to apologize for the video the last time that day about the time the Benghazi consulate was under attack. Since she was the first to apologize I figure it was her idea.

48 posted on 02/10/2013 5:46:06 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Son House

I’m in the Mountain time zone so it’s always two hours later on the east coast. But the day starts two hours earlier on the east coast than it does here. Keeping time zones straight is a PITA. lol


49 posted on 02/10/2013 5:52:32 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: RoosterRedux
I think events are moving to fast for those who are in-the-box thinkers. I think all in Congress are in-the-box (or at least in the Beltway...which is the same thing).

I fear you are right. I was hoping some of their staff would be quick studies on these latest revelations, but based on past performance, I doubt it.

I'm not sure what brennan/obama are creating in the ME/ North Africa other than a total mess....chaos.
50 posted on 02/10/2013 6:01:51 PM PST by Girlene
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