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Is China Mobilizing For A War With Japan?
Zero Hedge ^

Posted on 02/10/2013 6:36:14 PM PST by Perdogg

We don't know if it merely a coincidence that a story has emerged discussing a Chinese mobilization in response to the ongoing territorial feud with Japan over the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands (and the proximal massive gas field) the very week that China celebrates its new year (and days after news that a Chinese warship was very close to firing on a Japanese destroyer). We don't know how much of the story is based in reality, and how much may be propaganda or furthering someone's agenda. What we do know is that the source of the story: offshore-based, Falun Gong-affiliated NTDTV has historically been a credible source of information that the China communist party desperately tries to censor, such as breaking the news of the SARS epidemic in 2003 some three weeks before China publicly admitted it. Its motto is "to bring truthful and uncensored information into and out of China." If that is indeed the case, and its story of major troop movements and mobilization of various types of military vehicles and artillery into the Fujian and Zhejian provinces, bordering the East China Sea and closest to the Diaoyu islands, is accurate, then hostilities between China and Japan may be about to take a major turn for the worse.

Fujian and Zhejian provinces highlighted below:

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; japan; war

1 posted on 02/10/2013 6:36:20 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Everyone but the US is getting ready for war. Well ok, you could add the EU to that list.


2 posted on 02/10/2013 6:43:31 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Everyone but the US is getting ready for war.

DHS is. They need to be next on the sequester list.

3 posted on 02/10/2013 6:45:19 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Those provinces are next to Taiwan, also...


4 posted on 02/10/2013 6:49:44 PM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Perdogg

Must be a pretty big mobilization if 100 military vehicles are on a road.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 6:50:54 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Perdogg

After what the Japs did to the Chinks during WWII - Turn around is fair play.

See how the Japanese would like having the table turned on them.


6 posted on 02/10/2013 6:53:23 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: Perdogg

If China is gearing for war it is against India and Russia. Japan is about in a same position as it was Britain against Hitler. Looks like an easy pick but not so easy in reality.


7 posted on 02/10/2013 6:56:05 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Perdogg
NO! Not Japan or Taiwan. They're just saber rattling. And, I agree, DHS can handle it.
8 posted on 02/10/2013 6:56:20 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Perdogg

A test of US resolve may be in the offing. Sun-Tzu and Mao-Tse Tung used the correlation of forces as a war strategy and it may be in the PRC’s favor with The US postponing the resupply of a carrier group. If they see us back off, the defense treaty with Japan and the ROC is toast, and so is East Asia.


9 posted on 02/10/2013 7:03:46 PM PST by AU72
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To: driftdiver

The EU doesn’t have anything to mobilize. The only thing left is the French Army, and they’re lost in the North African wilderness.


10 posted on 02/10/2013 7:04:10 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: jongaltsr

That is sort of a silly comment since we are supposed to defend Japan............


11 posted on 02/10/2013 7:08:45 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: AU72

China would like to settle an old score from the war in the 30’s and 40’s. Obama and his two-fisted (/sarc) secy of state Kerry (who served in Vietnam) would offer no resistance.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 7:11:21 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Perdogg

Zero Hedge is occasionally amusing for its financial conspiracy theories. Geopolitics is where it goes off the deep end. ZH’s Tyler Durden is a lot like the character in the movie - mildly retarded. Except the movie character had an excuse - it’s the natural consequence of being hit in the head repeatedly.


13 posted on 02/10/2013 7:11:28 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: jongaltsr

After the millions murdered by the Chinese Communist Party, the only ‘fair play’ will be the downfall of their tyranny, whoever causes it.

On another note, this would provide good cover for a Nork nuke test. I imagine Kim Jong Un has his binoculars out on the balcony of his palace.


14 posted on 02/10/2013 7:13:28 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

While historically the Europeans Africans have been costly, now that the Chinese have tons of mines/farms/ranches would that be a game changer in light of this post?


15 posted on 02/10/2013 7:17:53 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: jongaltsr
After what the Japs did to the Chinks during WWII - Turn around is fair play. See how the Japanese would like having the table turned on them.

Apart from endless Chinese whining, it really wasn't that big a deal by historical Chinese or Japanese standards. If we hadn't intervened by imposing a trade embargo on Japan, the newly-minted Japanese on the mainland would be learning via euphemisms in history books about the late unpleasantness during the unification of the mainland Japanese provinces. That's the way history works - there's a semi-pithy Chinese saying that goes: (history records) winners as kings, losers as bandits.

16 posted on 02/10/2013 7:19:45 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: castlegreyskull

European African wars** have been costly


17 posted on 02/10/2013 7:21:10 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: jongaltsr

I understand where you’re coming from and I’m a believer in karma but if Red China beats up on Japan, the world would be worse off. We cannot judge the geopolitical situation of 2013 by 1931 standards. Japan is a horse of a different color now and a strong ally.


18 posted on 02/10/2013 7:23:50 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Viennacon

What are the implications of a NORK Nuke test? If they do it, what next? I thought they did an underground one a decade ago, and really nothing came of as far as we are concerned.


19 posted on 02/10/2013 7:25:01 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Don Corleone
In 1997 on a trip to Montreal my wife an I went to the botanical gardens and saw at the PRC pavilion their national map that included most of the waters east and south of the mainland China’s coast down to the Philipines.

Looks like they're ready to enforce that claim.

20 posted on 02/10/2013 7:42:29 PM PST by AU72
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To: castlegreyskull

The Norks are trying to perfect their very primitive nuclear technology. Right now, North Korea would have a hard time striking any country successfully beyond South Korea. The better their weapons get, the more countries they can threaten, and the more damage they can do.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 7:44:17 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Perdogg

War?

Isn’t that where two opposing forces are fighting?

China’s next move will be to squash and control Taiwan.

The U.S. will do nothing.


22 posted on 02/10/2013 7:44:50 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: castlegreyskull

I’m not sure I understand the question. Historically, the European African wars have mostly been the opposite of costly (at least for the Europeans), as they colonized the the continent, and tapped into its vast resources. The costly wars have been Europeans putting down African unrest, and then after independence, getting involved in humanitarian efforts, which have been extremely costly.

Are you wondering whether China will pay a heavy cost if it attacks Japan, in light of its great wealth? Well, this depends a lot on whether they win. As I understand, these islands have a vast gas reserve underneath them, and the political capital for the Chinese government in the event of a victory would be incalculable.
If they lose however (which is very possible because Japan is under US treaty protection), the costs would be enormous. China would have lost yet another war, further eroding their military record, the regime would suffer further illegitimacy, and the financial cost of the Chinese navy would be very large I’m sure. Remember, when Argentina lost a war over some resource-rich islands, the military junta collapsed almost overnight. People don’t like it when they lose wars.


23 posted on 02/10/2013 7:54:13 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Nowhere Man
I understand where you’re coming from and I’m a believer in karma but if Red China beats up on Japan, the world would be worse off. We cannot judge the geopolitical situation of 2013 by 1931 standards. Japan is a horse of a different color now and a strong ally.

The Chinese aren't exactly choir boys - every change of dynasty in China involved the deaths of tens of millions, many executed the old-fashioned way, with edged weapons during post-siege massacres. And then there's this account of the Chinese treatment of the Dzungars, during which they were more or less exterminated:

According to Qing scholar Wei Yuan, 40% of the 600,000 Zunghar people were killed by smallpox, 20% fled to Russia or sought refuge among the Kazakh tribes, and 30% were killed by the army.[11][12] Clarke has argued that the Qing campaign in 1757-58 "amounted to the complete destruction of not only the Zunghar state but of the Zunghars as a people."[13] Historian Peter Perdue has attributed the decimation of the Dzungars to a "deliberate use of massacre" and has described it as an "ethnic genocide".[12] Mark Levene, a historian whose recent research interests focus on genocide,[14] has stated that the extermination of the Dzungars was "arguably the eighteenth century genocide par excellence."

24 posted on 02/10/2013 8:06:08 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Perdogg

The Chinese are building cities inland, hundreds of miles from the coast. They are stockpiling tons of rice. They are being provocative around those Jap Islands.

There are a ton of reasons why they might be doing all of this. Not many of them are good.


25 posted on 02/10/2013 8:06:37 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Zhang Fei

Let’s not forget that the current commie regime in China is responsible for more deaths than any other in history. More than Adolf and Uncle Joe. These people are godless monsters.


26 posted on 02/10/2013 8:11:27 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

I think China will lose any war with Japan. I think Japan has so much up its sleeves we would be astonished. At the same time we would help and fight it as well.

About an African war, I just meant, and I am not well read on it, it seems a lot of Europe’s (Britain’s) have been drained in Africa fighting uprising (Zulu, Mahdist wars).

At the same time, I think if we want to fight China we need to destroy their African farm’s/ranches/mines.


27 posted on 02/10/2013 8:28:06 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: CondorFlight

And if the chi-coms invade Taiwan obammy will not receive the call just like Bengazi.
Sorry he was once again at the male bath house with reggie love.


28 posted on 02/11/2013 2:48:30 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((fubo))
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To: jongaltsr; Perdogg
After what the Japs did to the Chinks during WWII - Turn around is fair play.

Is it now? The generation of Japanese who fought in WWII is 90%+ gone. Any Japanese who was born prior to the end of the war will be at least 68 years old this year.

Yeah, that's fair play. Punish all those people who had absolutely nothing to do with The Rape of Nanking. That'll teach to be more careful who they pick for parents.

29 posted on 02/11/2013 6:47:21 AM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: rmh47

Wanta bet? I lay you whatever odds you want that the Chinese still remember what the Japs did to their parents and their country during WWII and would love to take some level of revenge. (Remember the injections of various drugs, viruses, bacteria into subjects and see who dies first when they are stripped naked and placed in a cell at well below freezing? Lay you odds that EVERY Chinese child has heard those stories.

Doubt on the other that that the Japanese would feel the same.


30 posted on 02/11/2013 5:11:06 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: Perdogg

The best part about China vs Japan is the end of the BS Free Trade fiasco. Can’t wait until a Nip sub sinks the first Chink Container Ship.


31 posted on 02/11/2013 5:18:43 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jongaltsr
Of course the Chinese remember. How could they not remember? The whole world should remember, including the Japanese. And, where, exactly did I say the Chinese did or could or would not remember?

What I question is the comment that "turnaround is fair play," and for the reasons I stated.

32 posted on 02/11/2013 11:48:06 PM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: CondorFlight

I have many good friends in Taiwan. Asking for prayers for the people there...


33 posted on 02/12/2013 12:00:18 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Don Corleone

Or just the rape of Nanking.


34 posted on 02/12/2013 12:01:22 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Viennacon
The Royal Navy is trying to get the outboard started on their last remaining troop transport, but they might have to wait for replacement parts from Mercury.


35 posted on 02/12/2013 12:09:46 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Molon Labe!)
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To: rmh47

The Chinese would call it “Turn around is Fair Play” as they have not forgotten the massive experiments perpetrated on thousands of their family members, to see what accelerate death.


36 posted on 02/13/2013 6:26:44 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: rmh47

Post Script. They also killed thousands of captured G.I.s and were NEVER held accountable.


37 posted on 02/13/2013 6:28:40 PM PST by jongaltsr
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