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Needed: A Conservative Counter-Culture
The Jewish Press ^ | February 10, 2013 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 02/10/2013 6:37:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The entertainment industry is too big and powerful, but that will change. What will not change is that the nation is losing its values.

The last election has brought on essays bemoaning the conservative disconnect from popular culture and the need to somehow reconnect with it. The means of this reconnection are hardly ever stated, though there is the implication that conservatives would need to “evolve” on certain social issues in the hopes that its economic viewpoint will be taken seriously by a population whose social way of life doom it to be dependent on government support.

As plans go, this one is nearly as clever as trying to promote weight loss by opening a cake shop. And it ignores the obvious reality that the only way that conservatives will be allowed to participate in popular culture is as the butt of a joke. Whether it’s Sarah Palin’s appearance on Saturday Night Live or Rush Limbaugh’s Family Guy appearance, trying to be a good sport about liberal culture is the strategy of a good loser playing into the prepared stereotype, rather than destroying it.

The culture is polarized. That means there is no place for conservatives in it except by playing the villain’s part, and the villain’s part, whether played with good humor or reluctantly, is not the winning part. But it’s also a mistake to call it the culture, when what we really mean is the culture created and perpetuated by a small number of corporations, their affiliated creatives and their affiliated press.

Take Girls, an HBO series that is one part nepotism and nine parts artificially generated corporate trend, that was recently the subject of several essays insisting that we take it seriously because it is “the culture”...

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishpress.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cabletelevision; hollwood; msm; palin

1 posted on 02/10/2013 6:37:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: All

Electoral success won’t come until some Republicans gain the ability to articulate positive messages of policy and goals that appeal to the electorate in a way that can’t be poisoned by the MSM. And that ability has been made greatly more difficult since pop culture and the MSM have been wholly captured by the manna-from-heaven Democrats.

The MSM has also made use of its poisoning ability to conduct long-term campaigns against politicians (its 6-year negative campaign against GWB) and preventive wars against hopeful candidates (Sarah Palin first, and the tea party, now Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio and Rand Paul).

Obama’s anonymously-funded and unaccountable OFA is also capable of far worse, owning databases of activists and intimate connections inside the government.

In other words, the GOP had better get cracking with articulating its own message, and pointing out the hazards of monster government in terms immediately meaningful to the blokes on the street. Philosophical essays about principles are not enough.


2 posted on 02/10/2013 6:48:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think Jesse Watters is fantastic. I just love when he is interviewing people for O’Reilly. He is always charming and non confrontational. He has a way of making liberals look like idiots but they still like him.


3 posted on 02/10/2013 6:49:30 PM PST by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is already a Conservative Force available but because we include ourselves in the Republican Party we are diluted and the Country Club Republicans and the Liberal Media creates us as minorities and irrelevant.

WE need to be a separate party and split the GOP and force the media to concentrate on US instead of the Spineless Republican Leadership who “just wants to get along”.

We need to be the Spartans and not the Greek Army. (Remember the fact that the Greek Army could not get organized and bickered about who was in charge, how and where to fight.)

Meanwhile the Spartans KNEW where to stand and fight.


4 posted on 02/10/2013 6:49:48 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We don't need to reconnect to a mass culture that is inherently corrupt, vulgar, and corrosive to the values that made this Nation great. We need to reaffirm those values and re-establish what remains of Western Civilization. As exemplified by the great English-speaking democracies of the Twentieth Century, it is the greatest thing that has happened in the long and tortuous history of our world.

It is still worth fighting for, and we must gird ourselves for battle, for war is most certainly upon us.



Keep Faith with the Fallen of Benghazi! Let the Obama Regime, for once, tell the Truth!

Fiat Justitia, Ruat Coelum!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

5 posted on 02/10/2013 6:50:12 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I feel like I am the only freeper that has seen Girls. I am not sure if the show is a self-parody, it doesn't portray young leftist very well.
6 posted on 02/10/2013 6:55:35 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: ConorMacNessa

BUMP


7 posted on 02/10/2013 6:56:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Perdogg

I saw it briefly, horrible show with horrible values being conveyed


8 posted on 02/10/2013 6:57:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Yes, but it also shows the consequences of horrible values; lack of real relationships, lack of income potential, and depression.


9 posted on 02/10/2013 6:59:57 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Perdogg

Just another porn-fed show dragging down the culture


10 posted on 02/10/2013 7:01:35 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You want to hear something completely messed up.

Start this video at 00.26 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zncqb-n3zMo

AND start this song AT THE SAME TIME:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ut_pzoWgY

Listen to them on top of each other.


11 posted on 02/10/2013 7:02:32 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s called the TEA party. Which Rove hates. We will restore our country. F the pundits and establishment. Carry on.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 7:11:01 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That counter culture is emerging. Check out Sherwood Pictures, Pureflix.com and pjmedia.com. Let’s stop supporting Hollywood and start making a lot of purchases from these groups. Also if anyone knows of any other conservative independent media, please share the information.


13 posted on 02/10/2013 7:19:22 PM PST by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: Indy Pendance

In every country that it conquered, the Communist Party started with a small but highly dedicated group of revolutionaries. It is still in control of approximately 2 Billion people in the world today.

Conservatives are lazy and want someone else to save the nation for them. One day there will not be a nation we will care to save.


14 posted on 02/10/2013 7:48:34 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: Perdogg

You’re not the only one:) I caught a couple of episodes during a hotel stay when HBO was included in the cost of the room.
It doesn’t portray these “girls” or the left in a positive light when looking through the lens of maturity, self-worth or values of the right.
But when looking through the lens of the left and what many young “girls” believe today, the show makes perfect sense and is the norm.
As I was watching, all I could think was gross. And how doughy the one actress was. I was thinking she should probably hit up a gym instead of hanging on the street corner.


15 posted on 02/10/2013 8:00:19 PM PST by ebersole
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To: txrefugee

The tea party conservatives are not lazy. The gun grabbers have energized a segment of the conservatives that are not lazy. Communism will not take hold with these patriots standing guard.


16 posted on 02/10/2013 8:01:57 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll put this out to you and anybody that is reading this.

A counter-culture is never going to be from the TOP.

Counter-Cultural movements, by definition come from a mass of people that rebel against the Current culture.

The “ Current” culture of today is the complete opposite of what it was in the 1970s.

While the players have changed what they will be fighting for is the same. Less Government control of their lives, the question has been shifted to the one of Self.

Can you imagine the average narcissist giving any time for the “Greater Good”?

They may pretend to care, but when push comes to shove, they don’t give a rats ass for the other guy.

These are lost souls.

This is the target of the new counter culture.


17 posted on 02/10/2013 8:03:18 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: gspurlock

Supporting good culture is always a winner wherever it comes from.


18 posted on 02/10/2013 8:14:57 PM PST by Borges
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where do we go now?
http://youtu.be/TuL41ohlfZY


19 posted on 02/10/2013 8:27:27 PM PST by EBH ( The 2nd Amendment exists for times like this.)
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To: jongaltsr
INANITY!.... splitting will not do a damn bit of good...it never has, and it never will...

however, those who espouse such nonsense surely are making a good wage from the democrat party, because the democrat party would love nothing more than to divide us more...

this is it....its WE against THEM...period....

some of you are going to have to suck it up and decide if you are one of THEM or one us US....there is no in between....

20 posted on 02/10/2013 8:35:08 PM PST by cherry
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To: Zeneta

WOW...not the culture of the 1970’s I recall...

The communist and hippies were running rampant... all the dawning of the age stuff...

Maybe I misunderstand what you are trying to say.

We need a conservative counter culture.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 8:36:30 PM PST by EBH ( The 2nd Amendment exists for times like this.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nope, it won’t happen until we regain the voting rights of our dead relatives like the democrats do. Coupled with voting multiple times in all ajoining states, and loading conservatives volunteers in the polling places.


22 posted on 02/10/2013 8:49:16 PM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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I'm right here. :-)
23 posted on 02/10/2013 8:49:48 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Zeneta

Sorry, but you are wrong with a capital R. Counterculture did not come from the mass on the bottom- it came from an elite at the top. I was there.


24 posted on 02/10/2013 10:03:57 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: EBH
We need a conservative counter culture.

It exists.

I watch my grandchildren rebelling against the self-destructive policies of their parents who rebelled against traditional values. (You can teach them, but they make their own decisions from there).

The result is that one of my grandchildren will be the executor of my estate, not one of my children.

There is hope, and it springs from those who have seen liberalism fail miserably.

25 posted on 02/11/2013 4:20:42 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

In my opinion, conservatism, in its conventional sense is NOT a culture, or by its very nature to be a haven for activism...

It is supposed to be more of a natural state, or mindset, for lack of any better terms...

Sure, we have grassroots organizations, (i.e.: Tea Party etc etc etc)...But that is still a fragmented and regional specific (to regional issues, for the most part) and they promote regional candidates to national, state and local offices...I’m not saying that is a bad thing, it is a great thing...And it is one that is being rejected by both sides of the political spectrum...

What a poor decision on the part of both parties in this country...


26 posted on 02/11/2013 5:26:56 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Zeneta; All

You sure do know how to make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up...


27 posted on 02/11/2013 5:36:04 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Zeneta; All

Here is the cure...Cue it up to about 00:30, no need for any musical backup...;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY


28 posted on 02/11/2013 5:46:13 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: txrefugee

I couldn’t have said it better myself! Kudo’s.


29 posted on 02/11/2013 6:24:08 AM PST by Ian Hawk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Not bad. Shows can be "conservative" without being labeled as such. If they are labeled "conservative," they're marginalized and discounted. If they aren't, people watch them without explicitly picking up on the conservative message.

Make good shows, maybe something will get through. But I suspect a "conservative counter-culture" would simply convince liberals that conservatism is established and secure and deserves to be taken off some pedestal, and a lot of viewers will pick up on that and follow the trend.

On Girls: "Arts and culture" reporting is about trends and sensations and novelties. Happy, hard-working people don't make much of an impression in the arts pages, which will always be about people trying to attract attention by doing something new or outrageous or daring or disgusting.

30 posted on 02/11/2013 4:05:38 PM PST by x
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To: cherry
INANITY!.... splitting will not do a damn bit of good...it never has, and it never will...

however, those who espouse such nonsense surely are making a good wage from the democrat party, because the democrat party would love nothing more than to divide us more... MANY of the Democrats are good and faithful Christians and they have no apparent qualm about denying the rights of other Christians just because they belong to another political party. At least most on the "Right" do not criticize the left's Christians, we just criticize the left. It is said that we say they are just wrong while they (the left) say we are sick, insane and need to be eliminated, treated with drugs, jailed or just outright eliminated from society.

this is it....its WE against THEM...period....Who are "WE" and who are "THEM"?

some of you are going to have to suck it up and decide if you are one of THEM or one us US....there is no in between....I (and my ilk) are on the side of fact and not on swayed by emotional knee jerk reactions. We deal with fact and not group think reactions. We accept people for what they do and not what others "Say" certain people do and think.

I am and have been prepared for a LONG time now to fight the battle between the bigoted left and defend any & all free thinking people who ONLY want to be free to think and believe what they choose.

31 posted on 02/11/2013 5:43:09 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: cherry
(PPS) I quite frequently attend various denominations of Christian churches. I learn a lot about myself but there are A LOT OF UNANSWERED, NEVER spoken subjects that most churches never discuss. Most just "Gulp" and totally shun the subject.

I meet open minded thoughtful people and I meet many who just don't want to think beyond what their particular church mentions during services.

32 posted on 02/11/2013 5:50:32 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: stevie_d_64

Sadly, it’s not your hairs that I want to excite.

My idea is to undermine the false belief among the zombies.

My tactic is to use popular music, layered on the public speech of our current leadership.

With the music and words running simultaneously. I contend the effect will be a greater appreciation of the music than the words. Simply because the music has more familiarity.

I also contend, with the right music, the words of the speaker, not only get relegated to the background, but become the target of ridicule.

With some ideas from another Freeper, I have reconstructed this with a different tune.

In the meantime I am trying to produce this “final product” myself.

Give this a run and let me know what you think.

PLAY THEM AT THE SAME TIME.

Start the Inauguration at 6:30 or so. I need to work on the timing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zncqb-n3zMo

Then Start this:

Roberta Flack, Killing me Softly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mpqXu0z3wU


33 posted on 02/12/2013 3:49:28 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Zeneta

Now THAT combo works!!! hehehe

I was thinking on the next one just bring Aretha “Respect” to the dance...


34 posted on 02/13/2013 5:48:49 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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