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Some teachers at odds with CSCOPE (Texas, very scary stuff)
Times Record News (Wichita Falls, TX) ^ | Dec. 16th, 2012 | Ann Work

Posted on 02/10/2013 7:43:33 PM PST by BobL

Stan Hartzler has been a math teacher for a long time. The 40-year teacher has written textbooks, taught college math, and given hundreds of presentations on how to teach his subject.

So when he was hired in August 2012 to launch a robust attack on Luling Independent School District's failing math scores, he brought a solid understanding of what his students needed.

But Hartzler would soon become a casualty in a growing state controversy when, shortly after his hire, his superintendent adopted a new teaching system called CSCOPE. It organized each day's classroom topics — minute to minute — and provided scripted talking points and lessons.

He required Hartzler to use it exclusively, despite Hartzler's protests.

Hartzler tried.

He used every quadratic equation, every calculator exercise, and all the algebra tile work.

But it felt like a concoction of leftovers that would seriously harm students — particularly the disadvantaged ones — because it left out so much.

"The course in algebra is not there," he said. "I regard this as being fraudulent."

(Excerpt) Read more at timesrecordnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cscope; education; indoctrination; publicschools; schools; secretcurriculum; texas; texaseducation; texasschools
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The Texas Textbook Wars have often made national news. The ELECTED State Board of Education (SBOE) would review textbooks and decide whether they met Texas standards. If they did, then they would be "adopted" by the state, and the state would pay for their use in any school district that choose the book. Districts were also free to use other textbooks, but they would have to pay for them. So districts almost always took the adopted books. In many cases, the education establishment HATED the books, because they were traditional, said good things about the United States, and didn't play-up non-contributions of under-represented minorities.

This is one of the FREAKIEST things I've ever seen, as you're about to see...

What happened was that the people running our schools, yes, even in Texas, did not like being subjected to the ELECTED SBOE when it came to textbooks, and they didn't have the money to pay for "more progressive" materials, so they were stuck in a bind

So, now, comes CSCOPE, put together by an organization paid for by the schools (collectively). They come out with SECRET materials that only teachers are permitted to see, and guess what - 80% of the Texas schools adopt CSCOPE over the course of about 4 years, right under the nose of everyone.

They basically neutered the entire textbook selection process and all accountable state-level control, because CSCOPE is paid for by the schools (yes, the wonderful schools that many of you send little Johnny to), and thus never reviewed by the SBOE. They charge the schools $7 per student, which is something they can afford (as compared to buying "progressive" textbooks, for more like $100 per student).

As the article mentions, parents must sign a non-disclosure agreement, risking CRIMINAL PENALTIES if they permit CSCOPE materials to leave their reach. It is all done via Internet (now you can understand why there was such a rush to wire-up the schools). Kids have NO TEXTBOOKS, parents have NO MATERIALS to help their kids learn, and being virtual, the curriculum can (and does) change at a moment's notice, especially when bad things about the content manage to get disclosed.

This is the best article that I've found on it, so far. Considering that 80% of the districts have adopted it, it makes it VERY DIFFICULT to not believe in conspiracies...but I'll keep trying, because the alternative is worse.

1 posted on 02/10/2013 7:43:37 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

BUMP


2 posted on 02/10/2013 7:47:20 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: BobL

This is all sustainable development...UN crap. You can thank GW Bush for a lot of this. He perpetuated it with “No child left behind.”


3 posted on 02/10/2013 7:51:20 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: BobL

Homeschool your kids people...at all cost.


4 posted on 02/10/2013 7:52:24 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope

“This is all sustainable development...UN crap. You can thank GW Bush for a lot of this. He perpetuated it with “No child left behind.””

I won’t argue that. He practically OWNED DC his first term, and wound up doubling the “education” budget.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 7:52:40 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

Pshaw. whatever.

If they knew what to do in the ‘50s to educate our kids enough to know how to figure out how to get to the Moon - oh, and back - how to figure out pcs, computers, tv, special effects, commercial air travel, architecture and construction, household convenience devices, cures, diagnoses and treatments of every kind of disease and malady known, military aresenals unbeatable, then what ever the F they’re doing in education now which appears to be determined to confuse IS, in fact devised to do just that. Just get out of it. Stay home and educate your own kids. what is it going to take to figure that out?


6 posted on 02/10/2013 7:54:09 PM PST by stanne
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To: BobL; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; ...

Another reason for the separation of School and State BEEP.


7 posted on 02/10/2013 7:54:57 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: metmom; wintertime

One for the history books (or should I say website), how the schools in Texas did a near-complete END-AROUND of the State Board of Education.

We’re just now uncovering it...unreal.

(I know, I know, MY public schools is better than that. I know the teachers of the school that MY KID goes to. We go to church together, they would never support anything like that....well, it’s almost a clean sweep here, just 20% of the schools are holding out against this [likely] Federally run takeover)


8 posted on 02/10/2013 7:56:54 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

I tell you what we for darn sure have textbooks and books are by far superior to the plasticity of online content.


9 posted on 02/10/2013 7:58:16 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BobL

“It organized each day’s classroom topics — minute to minute — and provided scripted talking points and lessons.”

Before everyone gets too bent out of shape, the answer is in the sentence above.

Even here in Texas, we have jackasses that end up in front of a classroom full of kids. They have liberal ideas, or militant feminist ideas, or some other kind of wacko secular humanist BS they want to push. And that’s what they doing during their class. They send everyone away with a B and sleep confident that they are “making a difference.”

All of the testing schemes are attempts to make these idiots stick to a program and teach what they are actually supposed to be teaching. Firing them and running them out of the teaching profession would be the best solution. But thanks to teacher’s unions, that is all but impossible.


10 posted on 02/10/2013 7:58:16 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: stanne

Oh and another thing, the courts are going all electronic, but the real lawyers are for darn sure hanging on to a hard copy of everything in case the “cloud” disappears.


11 posted on 02/10/2013 8:00:54 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: I cannot think of a name

“even in Texas. . .” is the phrase of the day.

Under attack from all sides.

Incoming.

Be prepared.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 8:01:16 PM PST by stanne
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To: BobL
Texas CSCOPE Review

CSCOPE teaches Allah is God

CSCOPE Promotes Communism

CSCOPE World History Islamic Propaganda-1

13 posted on 02/10/2013 8:05:55 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: yldstrk

Taught english. used a textbook from the ‘70s - literature.

What’s changed since Mark Twain wrote Tom Sawyer? Compared it to the new edition text. A confused mess. Cartoons,snseless memorization questions on things that had nothing to do with what Twain was doing, even if he was’nt aware of all he was doing as most great writers aren’t.

I’d be on drugs if I were a high schooler needing to wade through this filth and boredom.

Kept a hard copy of ever thing I ever did. Made up my own curriculum, too. I used a pencil and a Mead planner. Loved the computer. It’s a tool not a permanent record. Huff.


14 posted on 02/10/2013 8:06:24 PM PST by stanne
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To: BobL

Oh please. The overpriced, overweight textbook system is a dinosaur that needs to die.


15 posted on 02/10/2013 8:08:08 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Why?


16 posted on 02/10/2013 8:08:54 PM PST by stanne
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Oh. you’re one of those people who think that electronic text is cheaper.

No. It is not.


17 posted on 02/10/2013 8:10:10 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Totally agree with you


18 posted on 02/10/2013 8:13:08 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

“Oh please. The overpriced, overweight textbook system is a dinosaur that needs to die.”

So you’re DEFENDING their end-around, their threat of criminal prosecution for disclosing their materials (i.e., the last time I checked, no one had a sign a non-disclosure contract to use a textbook in a classroom), and the rest of what they’re doing.

Why are you even on this site?


19 posted on 02/10/2013 8:14:17 PM PST by BobL
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To: yldstrk

“I tell you what we for darn sure have textbooks and books are by far superior to the plasticity of online content.”

And they can’t change content overnight, when people are looking at what’s in them.


20 posted on 02/10/2013 8:15:22 PM PST by BobL
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To: I cannot think of a name

“Before everyone gets too bent out of shape, the answer is in the sentence above.

Even here in Texas, we have jackasses that end up in front of a classroom full of kids. “

If you can answer why they HIDE it from the SBOE and parents, then, maybe, we wouldn’t get so angry. As to crappy teachers...I’m with you all the way there, but that’s not relevant to this story - the crappy teachers will be crappy with or without CSCOPE.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 8:17:30 PM PST by BobL
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To: stanne

what Pikachu Dad means is this:

the textbooks are a HUGE RACKET, the teachers (or college professors) who teach the class write the textbook, put it on the list as required for the course and make a fortune off it. The books just for my kids’ high school courses are $500! Then next year, they put out a new edition and change a couple sentences and require everybody to buy the new one.

Still, textbooks are better than online crapola


22 posted on 02/10/2013 8:17:39 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BobL
Great article. It quotes actual teachers who've tried teaching this CSCOPE/Agenda 21 crapola. Some teachers began voicing their concerns on chat boards and then confronted the TEA (meeting minutes are linked at article).

One retiree said she thinks it's part of a greater plan to purposely "dumb down" the curriculum -- and kids -- and then bring about a *national* curriculum. Isn't that convenient?

If I'm understanding the numbers correctly, CSCOPE receives about $7/kid for 3 million who are "contracted"....that's $21 million - of OUR tax $$ - going to CSCOPE to indoctrinate our kids!!

23 posted on 02/10/2013 8:24:10 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: yldstrk

I know what he means. I will say this. It is a fact, based upon most recent PT meeting, that if our school goes to the Ipad it won’t be because of saving money on textbooks. There is no savings, as the textbooks companies are charging just as much.

A racket like that will not give up territory nor revenue.

Heavy texts a problem?

The kids are suffering too much?

We carried ours a mile to school uphill both ways in the snow.

And weee Loved It! Weee loved it!


24 posted on 02/10/2013 8:29:54 PM PST by stanne
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Oh please????

Do you even understand what CSCOPE is? Have you read the article - or anything - about CSCOPE?

25 posted on 02/10/2013 8:31:19 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: BobL

“And they can’t change content overnight...”

AND, if you lose electricity or, God forbid,an EMP goes off, you still have a BOOK to read.

I fear what this generation would do if their electricity went out, and they didn’t have their Kindle, or their games, or their Facebook.


26 posted on 02/10/2013 8:36:00 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: BobL; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; ..

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

This is another one of those must see topics, so I'm pinging out both lists.

While this is certainly a GREAT reason to homeschool, homeschoolers need to be aware of what their children are being protected from, especially if they are considering sending their children to public school for any reason.

27 posted on 02/10/2013 8:39:07 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BobL; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; ..

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

This is another one of those must see topics, so I'm pinging out both lists.

While this is certainly a GREAT reason to homeschool, homeschoolers need to be aware of what their children are being protected from, especially if they are considering sending their children to public school for any reason.

28 posted on 02/10/2013 8:40:14 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Mortrey

“I fear what this generation would do if their electricity went out, and they didn’t have their Kindle, or their games, or their Facebook.”

...and that day is coming. Both Iran and the Norks can put satellites into orbit, and both are perfecting their nukes. We will get pulsed, I just hope it’s a liberal city that gets to deal with it.


29 posted on 02/10/2013 8:40:56 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; ..

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

This is another one of those must see topics, so I'm pinging out both lists.

While this is certainly a GREAT reason to homeschool, homeschoolers need to be aware of what their children are being protected from, especially if they are considering sending their children to public school for any reason.

30 posted on 02/10/2013 8:41:02 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Pikachu_Dad; BobL
Oh please. The overpriced, overweight textbook system is a dinosaur that needs to die.

And when your computer dies or the power goes out, your back up is....?

31 posted on 02/10/2013 8:43:44 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stanne

oh and let me say something else-—this deal about taking multiple choice tests online is a bunch of garbage. Kids do better with the number two pencil, the booklet and the fill in the circle test sheet.


32 posted on 02/10/2013 8:51:00 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: metmom

Oh please. The computer is not going to die. The electricity has so many backups it’s not even. . .

You are the dinosaur.

Just spoke w sis two days ago in LI.

Mult million $ income and systems. same ans other mutual sibs.

She said that for the word “generator” to even be part of every day vocab was ridiculous, but true. Said the reports from town were that gas lines were down.

she laughed. Said no one’s going anywhere. Had just heard about the ewather. Said she has a fireplace (clean), and a cord of wood.

And games. She is not a reader.

She said they were all about to cannabalize each other for gas last go around (Sandy).

Saidn they’d been without power - comm out, no computers, refrigeration )not a prob in a blizzard, niether is water) for weeks at a time three times in the past year.

Books are the second thing on my list.


33 posted on 02/10/2013 9:02:33 PM PST by stanne
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To: BobL
Your local government owned and run K-12 schools are the following and NOTHING good can come of it.

—They are godless in their worldview by law and court ruling. I the teachers are sneaking in bits of a Christian worldview then the teachers are teaching an important lesson: Christians are sneaky.

—Your county's children are being trained in their local GODLESS government school to think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperate within the godless classroom, read the godless textbooks, and do their godless assignments.

—Your county's schools are a socialist entitlement.

— Your county's teachers were indoctrinated in Marxist dominated colleges of education.

—Your county's schools are a price-fixed cartel monopoly that gives it service away for tuition-free. They are creating a very hostile business environment for private alternatives. But down on the government's Animal Farm government teachers sleep in the farmer's house. CEOs are prosecuted for cartel activity and get to sleep in prison.

— Your county's schools are the very definition of an archetypal socialist-entitlement and the children who attend risk learning to be comfortable with socialism ( and now even Marxism.) it is embedded in the teacher's training and in many aspects of the curriculum.

—Your county's schools treat children in many ways like prisoners, Their First Amendment Rights are violated every minute of every day. Children who are treated like prisoners risk learning to be compliant socialist prisoners of the state.

And....Finally. ..Your church's government teachers doing great harm because naive parents see them in church. They **FALSELY** conclude that if sweet Mrs. Honey Bun ( who sings in the church choir and loves her cat) teaches in the local GODLESS, socialist-entitlement, Marxist dominated, and prison-like school, then they can't be **that** bad. ( Yes, they are **that** bad.)

—Your local government schools are NOT politically, culturally, or religiously neutral. It is impossible for any education to be neutral. Such a state can not exist in the mind of any sentient human.

— The Barna Foundation studies show that the outcomes for Christian children, from highly active Christian homes, are horrendous! More than 85% of children from these Christian homes fail to be active in their faith 2 years after graduating from their local GODLESS and socialist school. My guess is that outcomes for children from less active Christian homes are appalling in the extreme.

—It is IMPOSSIBLE to reform your local schools. When in the history of mankind was it ever possible to reform godlessness, socialist-entitlement, Marxism, price-fixing cartel and monopoly practices, **national** union domination of every county's curriculum and policies, trashing of basic First Amendment human rights and prison-like treatment of children whose only crime was to be born?

My personal decision: I consider government schooling to be sooooooo evil for the child and such a threat to our nation's continuing freedom that I will not have a government teacher for a friend. I **SHUN** them! I don't have abortion workers for friends either.

34 posted on 02/10/2013 9:04:18 PM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom

:) You know there was sarcasm there, right?

And a serious lack of proofreading.

Power comes and power goes. I think that goes back to Shakespeare.


35 posted on 02/10/2013 9:06:43 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

You could take textbooks from the 50s through early 70s and have a very good base to teach from for many (most?) subjects. Reading, writing, and arithmetic haven’t changed at all. How long has chemistry and calculus been with us? (I have an extensive math background, but I wouldn’t want to learn from the disorganized crap in today’s math textbooks).

What about the structure and functions of government, i.e. showing how bills are passed, discussing the three branches, etc.? Even history—it’s unwise, I think, to discuss “history” that’s less than 30 years old. I think there needs to be some separation there for emotions to die down.

The modern “focus” on diversity and multiculturalism? Ha! Diverse cultures didn’t create this country with its (still) amazing riches, freedoms, and highest standard of living anywhere. So let’s celebrate a bunch of primitives, eh? What a joke!

Get back to the basics.


36 posted on 02/10/2013 10:02:43 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

I like real books, but the ones now are indeed overpriced and overweight. They are significantly heavier than when I was a kid, maybe because they use thicker paper to accommodate more color pictures?

They could also stand some editing. My son’s math book said that the square root of -25 was -5, for example.

The social studies books tend to have a section in each chapter that is fluff— some tie-in to current life to make it “relevant” that never appears on the test and the student does not want to read for fun. The book could weigh noticeably less if this were omitted.


37 posted on 02/10/2013 10:18:50 PM PST by married21
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To: married21

It is not enough to simply advocate home schooling though it is a start

Currently most of the hard left tolerate home schooling because they’ve realized that it takes their most vocal critics out the classroom. It is a good bargain on their part because they get left alone with the other 98% or so kids that are not in private schools.

Even if you home school your kids, maybe because of it you should run for the local school board. But please, please don’t just mouth old platitudes.

Do a little research about what education is, how it developed and look at the actual research. There is plenty of research exposing why public schools do not work and how the progressives ignore the problem

You have to become educated about education.
Start with the book “Getting it Wrong from the Beginning” by Keirian Egan

http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Wrong-Beginning-Progressivist-Inheritance/dp/030010510X

This is a thin book, you can read it in a couple of hours. Once you understand the problem you won’t have to yell or threaten to make the un-progressive afraid of you.

The book basically argues that progressive education does not work because it is based upon faulty assumptions, or the misinterpretation of valid assumptions. As such it cannot be reformed it must be completely rebooted. What makes it so damning to the educational establishment is that they cannot simply brush off the conclusions as the opinions of Ignorant-White-Christian-Fundimentalist seeking a return to the good days of prohibition and Jim Crow.

This is a book on education that every teacher, and every parent with a child in school should read.


38 posted on 02/10/2013 10:37:05 PM PST by Fai Mao
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To: stanne; Kartographer

I’ve met people with that attitude and read it too much on FR from certain people who frequent the survival threads that Kartographer pings to.

Sometimes it’s not to easy to be sure....


39 posted on 02/10/2013 10:50:10 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: YHAOS

America is being Punished... the worst is yet to come..
The sad part is....... America deserves it..

75,000,000 plus murdered babies in the most hateful way has recriminations...
God did not do it.. lazy political action did..
When good people do nothing........ THIS HAPPENS..


40 posted on 02/10/2013 10:57:40 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: yldstrk

You got it.


41 posted on 02/10/2013 11:20:31 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: CitizenUSA; metmom

My ninth graders used to mke fun that I didn’t know world war craft or so, so proud of their knowledge of how to use computers etc.

I’d say, charitably and with some humor and a litlle respect, ah, I knes guys, like my dad and his military academy peers who invented computers and devised the ways to get them into households and they were learning this stuff I’m trying to teach you while they were in high school. Knowing how to use it, bah, try inventing it.

Get back to work!

They’d bury thier heads and come back dishing the dirt on Cassius and Huck Finn.

These kids, they might not like it, who does, but they are hungry for the truth and they know itwhen they see it. THey love a challenge. They love the competition.

They know they need it.

They love survival skills weaons fire cooking all tat stuff.

I do not like to underestimate them.


42 posted on 02/10/2013 11:59:52 PM PST by stanne
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To: BobL
We home schooled our daughter for 11 of 12 years. We already have one of the finest systems of learning right now. It's called ABEKA and Saxon math. Just copy that and teach them discipline with it and they will be ready for college at 16.

Stop trying to change what we already know works.

43 posted on 02/11/2013 12:58:31 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles

“We home schooled our daughter for 11 of 12 years. We already have one of the finest systems of learning right now. It’s called ABEKA and Saxon math. Just copy that and teach them discipline with it and they will be ready for college at 16.”

You need to put a /sarc at the end of your post. I KNOW that Saxon Math uses textbooks, and I believe the same is true with ABEKA. So you lie. There is no way they can learn. Textbooks are a dinosaur, at least according to one person on this site.

...so, just how far behind is she, really.

LOL (and nice work...Saxon kicks butt).


44 posted on 02/11/2013 4:11:47 AM PST by BobL
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To: Pikachu_Dad
The overpriced, overweight textbook system is a dinosaur that needs to die.

You're absolutely right, but that's not what this article is about.

45 posted on 02/11/2013 4:29:07 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: hosepipe
America is being Punished... the worst is yet to come..
The sad part is....... America deserves it..
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God isn't going to intervene when Americans willingly choose ( themselves) to take on the onerous yoke of slavery. Why?

—Abortion: Christians by the millions can show up to buy a chicken sandwich but can't figure out how to legally and peacefully put an end to abortion. Really?

—Godless and socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling: The Boy Scouts are flooded with phone and e-mail messages objecting to homosexuals in the Scouts, but those **SAME** parents then willing send their children into GODLESS schools in which there are **daily** reports of homosexual and heterosexual predation on children. And....Where the Barna Foundation reports that fewer than 15% of children from **active** Christian homes will retain their faith 2 years after graduating from high school.

I doubt God is happy that we murder children in the womb.

I doubt God is happy that, if these children survive the womb, are then sent into GODLESS K-12 indoctrination centers where they are taught perversion and risk having their souls murdered and are preyed upon by the wicked.

46 posted on 02/11/2013 5:30:57 AM PST by wintertime
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To: BobL; chuckles
LOL (and nice work...Saxon kicks butt).

Saxon is the BEST math curriculum EVER.

My husband works with some engineers who are familiar with Saxon and they said that there is no better curriculum for preparing a kid for real world, hands on use of math.

47 posted on 02/11/2013 6:09:18 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BobL
I think it might be even worse than what's covered here. Some parents were told it was ILLEGAL to tell them what was in the lessons. It seems to me that the liberal educators realize that Texas is a conservative state, so they are moving as quickly as possible to indoctrinate the students into the liberal cult. Who knows what it will be like in a decade when they start to vote en-mass.
48 posted on 02/11/2013 6:11:40 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: hosepipe
"God did not do it.."

But every day we are told that God did it . . . and those awful Conservatives.

49 posted on 02/11/2013 8:44:05 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: Mortrey

“I fear what this generation would do if their electricity went out, and they didn’t have their Kindle, or their games, or their Facebook.”

In a short term electronics/electricity loss, the Lil’ Darlins’ will ape their parents behavior. Note the remarkable rise in deliveries some nine months after thr big New York Sh*ty blackout.

Long term, think “Lord of the Flies”.

IMHO, Texans will handle such situations far better than Libtard states.


50 posted on 02/11/2013 9:13:57 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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