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Dorner morphing into an anti-hero?
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Posted on 02/10/2013 10:33:12 PM PST by chessplayer

I have, at times, been accused of being somewhat naive when it comes to modern culture, both by family members and readers alike. Perhaps you’re all on to something there, because I certainly never saw this coming. As the search continues for alleged cop killer Christopher Dorner, there is an emerging theme – at least on the West Coast – that perhaps Dorner is some sort of Robin Hood, standing up for the little guy and taking it to the corrupt LA police force.

"Support Growing For Former L.A. Officer Accused Of Killing Spree

Dorner lost his job with the Los Angeles Police Department in 2008. His manifesto vows revenge for that; and, surprisingly, thousands of people actually support him.

It’s hard to believe but there are those out there who sympathize with the man targeting police officers.

One Facebook page is proclaiming Dorner for president. “We propose electing a man who could no longer sit idly by and watch as malicious tyrants abuse the innocent.”

The description on “We Are All Chris Dorner” chillingly says, “Yes, this is war.”


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KEYWORDS: chrisdorner; dorner; dornerhero; guncontrol; lacell; secondamendment
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So what happens if he kills the children of the cops like he threatened to do. People would probably consider him even more of a hero if he did that.
1 posted on 02/10/2013 10:33:18 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Not that I think this personally, but I suspect there are a lot of people that are so disgusted with the corruption in Cali and everywhere else that they just don’t care.

The lack of morality overall displayed in the last 4 years has only gotten more intense on the left and right. We see it in voting, we see it in the politicians. We see it right here on FR.

So I am not the least surprised that many see this guy as a movie script come to life.


2 posted on 02/10/2013 10:37:34 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: chessplayer

Only crazy leftists and crazy anarchists could support this guy if you ask me


3 posted on 02/10/2013 10:37:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: chessplayer

Just wait until the cops go after gun owners. There will be more of him.


4 posted on 02/10/2013 10:40:30 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: chessplayer

Liberals have never had a problem killing kids...ever. Because deep down they are all communists just like their Chinese comrades.

All of them...brothers in arms.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 10:42:16 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

That’s the thing right there. When people lose respect for the law (when the law becomes corrupt) history shows the same outcome every time. This will be no different. And lots of innocent people will die. Again.


6 posted on 02/10/2013 10:43:11 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Vince Ferrer

Just wait until the cops go after gun owners. There will be more of him.


So gun owners would kill the cops children if they could?


7 posted on 02/10/2013 10:47:32 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: GeronL

>> Only crazy leftists and crazy anarchists could support this guy if you ask me

And racists.


8 posted on 02/10/2013 10:50:30 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: chessplayer
So gun owners would kill the cops children if they could?

No, of course not. But I think there might be some violence if the do try to confiscate weapons. How that might happen I don't know.

9 posted on 02/10/2013 10:51:56 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Norm Lenhart

and we’re talking about the lapd here’ arguably one of the largest, most corrupt police bodies in the country.

it doesn’t make you very sympathetic for them. needless to say i am not on dorner’s side, but i’m not exactly a cheerleader for the corrupt lapd either.


10 posted on 02/10/2013 10:52:28 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: chessplayer

Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence have no comment because this schmuck killed them both in cold blood..meanwhile these freaks actually think their killer is a hero..for what, for brutally murdering two innocent people who did NOTHING to deserve to die..what the hell did they ever do to anyone..nothing..yet you have these freaks come out of their cockroach infested basements cheering this guy on..I wonder how they would feel if Dorner killed a member of their family, would they think it was justified then


11 posted on 02/10/2013 10:54:29 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Secret Agent Man

That’s right where I’m at. I hope someone shoots the bastard dead asap, but I also hope the people involved, if in fact they drove this guy to this as he claims, are held every bit as accountable.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 10:56:04 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: chessplayer

Unfortunately I’ve also seen this support for him. Of course, he’s screaming he’s innocent and didn’t kill anybody. Says he’s being setup by the LAPD. Which, knowing how corrupt law enforcement is becoming, might be slightly believable. However, from all I’ve read about him, I think he’s a loose cannon and is after revenge for his perception of injustice. Ain’t it always about injustice in the black community or how “the man” is keeping them down? Sorry but it’s the truth.


13 posted on 02/10/2013 10:56:25 PM PST by ASouthernGrl (BHO sucks - literally or metaphorically, you decide.)
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To: chessplayer; Yehuda

There appears to be an interesting yet disturbing psychological effect going on here. Thanks to the character/reputation of the LAPD and other abusive police agencies and agents of control such as BATF, TSA, IRS et al, this anti-hero dirtbag-on-a-revenge-mission is herding both the lawful and the lawless to the same cliff edge, in agreement that “the law” is utterly lawless. Because, after all, there is a strong element of truth therein.

Seems like a historical type of community organizing that births the most violent and ruthless totalitarian regimes.

Just an observation.


14 posted on 02/10/2013 10:59:29 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Ezekiel

What difference does it make! Never let a crisis go to waste!

Nah...that’d never happen...


15 posted on 02/10/2013 11:02:51 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

As a follow up to post 15, I should point out the bit about the greatest lie the devil ever told was that he didn’t exist.

If people ever put those things together, we may yet find hope for a future.


16 posted on 02/10/2013 11:04:35 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Gene Eric; GeronL
Only crazy leftists and crazy anarchists could support this guy if you ask me

And racists.

i don't support him, but i have no sympathy for the LAPD... they act as though the above the law... so now they are being sought by someone who has no regard for the law, nor life... his life nor theirs... nor the lives of their loved ones... it's caught up to them... and i doubt any of this, in the long run, will bring about any change...

17 posted on 02/10/2013 11:13:25 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: chessplayer

“He’s no hero. He’s a s***head!” The Jerk


18 posted on 02/10/2013 11:14:13 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I saw your post 6 after I posted. You were much more concise.


19 posted on 02/10/2013 11:18:23 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: chessplayer

Obama/Piers Morgan/Fienstien lover, anti-NRA gun control advocate, and admitted murderer is stalking and killing citizens and police.

Meanwhile, the US Federal Government is issuing warnings to Law Enforcement about grannies in the Tea Party, DHS is issuing memorandums warning about people who believe in the Constitution, and Pentagon Generals are devising mock scenarios against “right wing” terrorists ...

Welcome to LaLa Land.


20 posted on 02/10/2013 11:18:38 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Well, their Hero Obama is famous for saying “they bring a knife, you bring a gun” and “voting is the best revenge”, so who is surprised?

Electing Obama is nothing more than Revenge for them. It doesn't matter how badly he screws up the Country or that he strips Citizens of their Freedoms, the fact that THEY WON and WE LOST is all that matters.

That is why they gravitate to Psychopaths, they already Elected one President.

21 posted on 02/10/2013 11:27:00 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: spodefly

I have a tinfoil theory that sometime mid 90s, HAARP or some CERN atom smasher experiment caused a tear in the spacetime continuum and reality split into the real one, and this reversed/upside down/Bizzaro one we find ourselves in.

I have yet to see a better explanation as to WTF happened.


22 posted on 02/10/2013 11:27:11 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: chessplayer
The thought occurs to me that Chis Dorner may be the Left’s “Punisher” comic book anti-hero come to real life and not just a movie or comic book character.

If that is the case and he's as good as folks THINK he is, the LAPD and surrounding area could be in real trouble. There are lots of people in LA that don't regard the cops operating there with a lot of affection. Dorner is only one small fish in a large population pond. Dorner can pick and chose his targets; it is impossible to defend against that kind of attack — especially if the guy is prepared to die to carry out his plan. This is an entirely new ball game for LA law enforcement and they've been failing the test.

23 posted on 02/10/2013 11:34:08 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: GeronL

exactly....and of course at least a few here at FR but I suspicion they are really anarchists at heart


24 posted on 02/10/2013 11:36:37 PM PST by Nifster
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To: MasterGunner01

Expect to see Guy Fawkes masks in blackface soon.

Seriously.


25 posted on 02/10/2013 11:39:09 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: chessplayer

So if he says the police are corrupt what him makes any different when he kills family members and police officers he deems are corrupt is he not corrupt and evil himself?
He is not a hero he is a scum bag killer. He already did kill a child of a cop.


26 posted on 02/10/2013 11:41:45 PM PST by funfan
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To: funfan

You are thinking rationally. He isn’t.


27 posted on 02/10/2013 11:42:54 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

And neither are the people that are cheering this loser on.
I am sick of this woe is me mentality and as of late more and more black people seem to be using this just like the families who went to Disneyland and are suing the park because they perceived the characters to be racist because the characters snubbed their children. The world is going insane and upside down at the same time.


28 posted on 02/10/2013 11:48:49 PM PST by funfan
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To: chessplayer

He got kicked out in 2008 so why wait 5 years to rampage?


29 posted on 02/10/2013 11:50:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: funfan

Honestly, it all comes back to liberal BS. People say ‘You can’t ascribe every bad thing that happens to libs.”

In many cases you can and this id a big one. People need to stop thinking about the events happening right now in an attempt to sort this out. They need to look to how these events came to be.

We have a world filled with people, stripped of a historical education by lib teachers/government policy, told they were only capable of being something through liberal ideas...by liberals, fed policies that reinforced a sense of victimhood, by liberals, to what end? Power for liberals over society.

Most minorities are not stupid, helpless or useless. They have become what many are today, and plenty of whites along with them, because they were taught to be, legislated to be, redistricted to be and employed/benefitted/EBT’d to be...

By liberals.

And until the people of America see and accept this documented fact, nothing changes. They will continue to rah rah killers/gan bangers et all. Because they were taught to.


30 posted on 02/11/2013 12:01:03 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: chessplayer

Dorner is the Official Cop Of Occupy Wall St


31 posted on 02/11/2013 12:16:59 AM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Norm Lenhart

The other thing here I should point out is obvious, but by design, a lot of people forget.

Libs use this and any number of concurent events to keep people hopping rapid fire from one emotion to the next...so they never have time to stop and think about anything very long. AKA, never let a crisis go to waste.

That’s what that phrase really means. It’s not one big thing, it’s a bunch of little/not so little ones in rapid succession. If you are the opposition, you are always on defense hopping from one fire to another trying to keep up with what crisis is happening this news cycle.

So don’t.

Fix your minds on the root of all of these myrad issues. Because they are the same one. And it does not matter if it’s a lib or a Republican spouting lib policies and calling himself a conservative.


32 posted on 02/11/2013 12:17:48 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
I have a tinfoil theory that sometime mid 90s, HAARP or some CERN atom smasher experiment caused a tear in the spacetime continuum and reality split into the real one, and this reversed/upside down/Bizzaro one we find ourselves in.

You do realize that now our reality will be replaced by an even weirder one?

33 posted on 02/11/2013 12:18:24 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: My Favorite Headache

When society and the law not only allows but praises the killing of innocents (late-term abortion) then things like we are seeing in Los Angeles are to be expected.

It’s just unbelievable what now passes as normal and civilized in America. I could just start weeping.

I am shocked by some new atrocity every damned day.
WTF has happened!?


34 posted on 02/11/2013 12:19:22 AM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Yea, but it’s a fact of physics that if you go far enough to the left in a spherical continuum, you end up back where you started on the right. So MOAR!!!! ;)


35 posted on 02/11/2013 12:21:32 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Bobalu

As I said above, go back to the root of the issue.

When the GOP fronts candidates that have records of personally funding abortion, the pendulum swings left. When the political right voters support that, the pendulum swings further.

Over on the left, it’s swung nearly to full communism. And there has been nothing on the right to slow it down.

People don’t like hearing that. But it is logically and demonstratively true.


36 posted on 02/11/2013 12:27:50 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

The following link is to an old FR thread, about an even older conservative booklet called “The Revolution Was”, written in 1938 about FDR and the New Deal. FDR used the theory of crisis very well. And it is ALL happening again - amazingly, chillingly so. Only worse.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts

An Excerpt:

...It took off from a revolutionary base. The design was European. Regarded from the point of view of revolutionary technic it made perfect sense. Its meaning was revolutionary and it had no other. For what it meant to do it was from the beginning consistent in principle, resourceful, intelligent, masterly in workmanship, and it made not one mistake......

Having passed this crisis, the New Deal went on from one problem to another, taking them in the proper order, according to revolutionary technic; and if the handling of one was inconsistent with the handling of another, even to the point of nullity, that was blunder in reverse.

The effect was to keep people excited about one thing at a time, and divided, while steadily through all the uproar of outrage and confusion a certain end, held constantly in view, was pursued by main intention.

The end held constantly in view was power.


37 posted on 02/11/2013 12:31:38 AM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 21twelve

Those who forget history (or were intentionally never taught it) are doomed to repeat it. A gar wiser man than I can be credited with that.


38 posted on 02/11/2013 12:33:58 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: 21twelve

Those who forget history (or were intentionally never taught it) are doomed to repeat it. A far wiser man than I can be credited with that.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 12:34:26 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

That entire booklet is long, but a VERY interesting read. It goes by pretty fast really as it is SO similar to today. Obama even uses some of the same phrasings and words that FDR used.

As a young child I always wondered why my old man (WWII vet) hated FDR so much. Once I was older I figured it out.


40 posted on 02/11/2013 12:43:31 AM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 21twelve

There is so very many things going on right now that people can’t wrap their heads around. But like your example, it’s all there in the pages of history. And exactly as you say, the very same words and phrases are used.

Obama was truthful about one thing. He is completely transparent in what he is doing. It’s just that people don’t know where to look.

Hell if a couple regular people on the net can figure it out and document, it’s not like he’s hiding anything.


41 posted on 02/11/2013 12:47:21 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: chessplayer
As a citizen, I would be far more worried about the cops than this kook.

cops harass helicopter shoot dorner pickup women

cops shoot innocent truck dorner idiots murder


Halt! Show me your papers!
helicopter nazis harass woman rockcollector police

42 posted on 02/11/2013 12:52:19 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: chessplayer
So gun owners would kill the cops children if they could?

If the cops on the raid were not sure they wouldn't come home to a smoking hole and bodies, maybe they would not go after gun owners with vigour. Maybe they'd stay home and play with their kids instead.

Consider that thought.

Because if it comes down to forcible seizure of previously legal firearms, it will take tactics on that level to stop the raids.

Direct confrontation will likely lose every time against body armoured, well trained, drilled, armoured vehicle driving forces with virtually every toy the military has at its disposal.

It's an ugly concept, but those would be ugly times if they come to pass.

43 posted on 02/11/2013 12:58:12 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

The reason he has cheerleaders is because he is a left wing wacko, and so are they. If this was a right wing nut job killing cops and innocent relatives of cops they would be screaming for blood, his blood.


44 posted on 02/11/2013 12:59:01 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

As I said last night...

Zodiac 2...coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

The same people running around pretending to be Guy Fawkes now have a real live one to call their own. They won’t do anything but lionize him until he becomes a liability to the cause. And so far he is helping several fronts of the left and anarchist cause immensely.

Trouble is, he’s focusing the right as well. Trouble for the left anyway.


45 posted on 02/11/2013 1:04:05 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Sarah Barracuda
I don't think this guy is a hero, far from it.

I think his grievances may be as much made up as not.

But then, all I "know" about the situation is what the Media say.

Consider that the mass media have handled Waco, Gordon Kahl, and Ruby Ridge with such unbiased fairness, and it almost makes you wonder.

Those raised on violent video games and gangsta rap will likely see someone 'heroic', getting back at "the man".

46 posted on 02/11/2013 1:23:24 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The difference is that Dorner is on the same side of the ideological fence as the media.


47 posted on 02/11/2013 1:56:12 AM PST by DangerZone (If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
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To: ASouthernGrl

Dorner is a combination of The Great Society, Affirmative Action, an Obama voter, one of Holder’s people, and now - DJANGO!


48 posted on 02/11/2013 2:32:33 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: MasterGunner01

You might be on to something here. Maybe there are some copycat DJANGOs out there? Maybe there is a lot of support for murdering people one is unhappy with in the DJANGO communities? DJANGO communities, populated by Holder’s people and Obama voters.


49 posted on 02/11/2013 2:38:09 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: chessplayer

Just find it interesting that when a nutjob goes after specifically cops, there are thousands of cops out there gunning for him, but when some nutjob mass murderer is targeting civilians the response by law-enforcement is anemic.

Also find it interesting that two innocent civilian women get shot up in the process and no apparent consequence for the shooters who are cops.

The police in America have morphed into a paramilitary elitist clique with a distinct “us” versus “them” perspective never before seen in American law-enforcement.

It is chilling.


50 posted on 02/11/2013 2:48:23 AM PST by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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