Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Benedict: a conservative whose papacy was dogged by scandal
Reuters ^ | February 11, 2013 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 02/11/2013 8:32:29 AM PST by EveningStar

Pope Benedict was cheered by conservatives for trying to reaffirm traditional Catholic identity but liberals accused him of turning back the clock on reforms and hurting dialogue with Muslims, Jews and other Christians.

The 85-year-old German-born pontiff announced on Monday he would step down at the end of the month because of the effects of old age meant he was unable to complete his ministry. It was a decision that stunned Church officials and Catholics around the world, but one that he had hinted at in the past.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: popebenedict; popebenedictbio; poperesigns

1 posted on 02/11/2013 8:32:37 AM PST by EveningStar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: EveningStar
... al-Reuters is consistent ...


2 posted on 02/11/2013 8:38:47 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24660
3 posted on 02/11/2013 8:39:03 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza is like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

F the Muslims. Pope. Catholic. Get it?

How much “outreach” is there from muslims to Christians????


4 posted on 02/11/2013 8:43:36 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

Reuters, Reuters, Reuters,

“Conservative whose papacy was dogged by scandal...”

Do da names Bill, Hillary, Nancy, Harry, Obama, Michelle, (continue by naming virtually ANY dim-bulb-crat in the known multiverse)...mean anything to you?

Get real.

Once you do that, shove it up your collective, sceptic, and extremely smelly Obamas.


5 posted on 02/11/2013 8:44:26 AM PST by Da Coyote
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Da Coyote

I guess to the media, doing something that liberals don’t like is a “scandal.”


6 posted on 02/11/2013 8:46:14 AM PST by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

The writers of Reuters have the talent of putting the words “conservative” and (put a word that people dislike here) in the same title or sentence.

However, they lose that same talent when the word “liberal” is used.


7 posted on 02/11/2013 8:55:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Happy Rain

Does it fry your egggs that I got your thread posted with one reply for posting this garbage?


8 posted on 02/11/2013 8:55:58 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

Leftists rewrite history. It’s what they do. The small minded idiots who read the media will say “Oh, yes, he was dogged by scandal, wasn’t he?”
The reality is from the moment he took office the left was out to get him. They distorted his words about the founder of the religion of “peace.” They called him a nazi.


9 posted on 02/11/2013 9:03:01 AM PST by I want the USA back (The media is completely irresponsible.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

Reuters...with its typical secular, political drivel.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 9:04:45 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

Just seem strange for the Pope to go cross current with 600 years of tradition. I’d say that there is a chance something is making him resign.


11 posted on 02/11/2013 9:07:32 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: catfish1957
I’d say that there is a chance something is making him resign.

Something like perhaps he believes the church needs leadership that he cannot provide at his age and with his health. Perhaps he see this as the best thing for the church at this moment.

12 posted on 02/11/2013 9:12:43 AM PST by ALPAPilot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: catfish1957

Well, if you have read his theological expositions of the past, his weightier tomes and popular books and compared them to his most recent, “The Infancy Narratives,” which was delightful and a great Christmas gift, he’s slowing down to full-stop.
That was obvious from this last book.

He’s 85 for pete’s sake. He’s leaving the bark to someone younger and stronger in this mightily turbulent time.


13 posted on 02/11/2013 9:41:00 AM PST by OpusatFR
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

Sorry, reaching out to muslims to understand and befriend them, negates all claims to conservative or Christian.

Nope, and I am not talking about evangelizing, because that is not what he did.


14 posted on 02/11/2013 9:41:50 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ALPAPilot
"Something like perhaps he believes the church needs leadership that he cannot provide at his age and with his health. Perhaps he see this as the best thing for the church at this moment."

I tend to agree. The world is entering a period of great crisis, and the Church will need to be able to stand firmly visibly for the Kingdom of God. I believe Benedict knows the Church needs vigorous leadership, more vigorous than a man of his years can provide. It is unprecedented, to be sure, but so is the size of the world's population and the percentage of that population who wish only evil on the Church.

Time to start praying that his successor be at least as bold in leadership and as pious in his personal life as this great "Rottweiler of God."

15 posted on 02/11/2013 9:45:08 AM PST by redhead (PRAY DAILY for a Restoration of the Righteous Intent of America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Servant of the Cross

They get their information from liberal Catholics, who hated both him and John Paul II. John Paul’s popularity infuriated them, and they hated Joseph Ratzinger as a traitor to their cause, for at Vatican II, he had been regarded as a liberal. Then came 1968, and he saw with existential horror what was happening.


16 posted on 02/11/2013 9:51:08 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: redhead
The world is entering a period of great crisis, and the Church will need to be able to stand firmly visibly for the Kingdom of God. I believe Benedict knows the Church needs vigorous leadership, more vigorous than a man of his years can provide. It is unprecedented, to be sure, but so is the size of the world's population and the percentage of that population who wish only evil on the Church.

I have to admit that this scares me becaude depending on what happens at the conclave, this could promote even greater crisis. Suppose the next pope is from the liberal wing of the church who sets out to un-do all that Benedict and John Paul did? Do good conservative Catholics just take it and follow obediently? Or do they take advantage of the fact that for the first time in 6 centuries those opposed to the pope's policies still have a living person to rally around? Recent schisms within the church had been very small affairs. If the conclave chooses unwisely then the potential is there for a much larger one. I guess we just have to pray that the Holy Spirit guides them and leads them to choose a strong individual to replace Benedict.

17 posted on 02/11/2013 9:55:32 AM PST by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

Shocking development, but perhaps wise if his health truly prevents him from his duties.


18 posted on 02/11/2013 10:36:52 AM PST by GVnana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

Shocking development, but perhaps wise if his health truly prevents him from his duties.


19 posted on 02/11/2013 10:37:23 AM PST by GVnana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg

Yes. Pray and fast that the Holy Spirit’s inspiration be followed and not frustrated.


20 posted on 02/11/2013 10:39:02 AM PST by wiley
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: OpusatFR
He’s 85 for pete’s sake. He’s leaving the bark to someone younger and stronger in this mightily turbulent time.

I understand that. I also know that 2000 years of many steep traditions are hard to change in the Roman Catholic Church. I hope you are right, but I remain skeptical.

21 posted on 02/11/2013 10:52:49 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Williams
How much “outreach” is there from muslims to Christians

Only when they "reach out" to slice your throat.

22 posted on 02/11/2013 12:35:12 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg
Remember the parable Jesus taught about the boy demoniac the disciples were unable to exorcise? Jesus casts out the demon, then explains that "This kind can only be driven out through prayer and fasting." It's going to be Lent in a couple of days. I think I know what I'm going to be doing.

God knows all the details, and He alone. His plan is Perfect, as is His timing. We waste valuable prayer time worrying (I'm learning this lesson the hard way this month, so I know what I'm talking about here! LOL!) when we need the firm understanding and confidence in the loving care of the Mighty Ruler and Creator of all that exists. He has a plan. That's enough for me. I'm just going to pray that I get to see it advance HIS GLORY.

23 posted on 02/11/2013 12:39:26 PM PST by redhead (PRAY DAILY for a Restoration of the Righteous Intent of America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: catfish1957

Why skeptical? We saw the result of an incapacitated pope after the sex scandal broke. We have heard that Benedict urged John Paul II to resign, and he got to see that slow death upclose. Meanwhile, there was no one at the rudder. The liberals were livid when he was chosen pope and they have dragged their feet on even reform he has made.


24 posted on 02/11/2013 12:59:28 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg

The odds of a liberal pope now are slim to none.

It will be hard to replace Pope Benedict though; he sets a high bar.


25 posted on 02/11/2013 1:51:26 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar
Benedict: a conservative whose papacy was dogged by scandal

I just HATE when that happens!!




Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

26 posted on 02/11/2013 2:19:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: verga
Does it fry your egggs that I got your thread posted with one reply for posting this garbage?

Patience.

It's up to 26 now...

27 posted on 02/11/2013 2:21:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: D-fendr
The odds of a liberal pope now are slim to none.

But higher if the conclave looks to Latin America or Africa for a replacement, as has been speculated. Regardless, no Pope has had his predecessor looking over his shoulder for 600 years, and that one had his predecessor tossed into prison. I doubt the next Pope will have that option.

28 posted on 02/11/2013 2:24:28 PM PST by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: D-fendr

It seems whenever we elect a new Pontiff the left salvates with hope that the new Pope will mean the Church will sanction gay marriage and abortion and contraception. Not likely. A new Pope scares me that something will happen...like state interference with the Papal election process either flagrantly or covertly. Dictators, in a creepy sort of way, are obsessed with the power and influence of the Church. They want it for themselves.


29 posted on 02/11/2013 2:36:38 PM PST by virgil
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg
"Liberal" is a tricky term here. Any pope is going to look liberal on economic issues to a lot of Americans. The last two popes would, but theologically, they're seen as conservative.

From what I've heard African Catholics are more conservative theologically than the Western Europeans or North Americans. If that's true, there will be a greater chance of changes in doctrine if a "Westerner" is the next pope. But it's hard to say. I suspect there could be big changes whoever accedes.

Philip Pullella has written a lot of articles. From what I can tell he has it for Benedict's or John Paul II's Catholic Church. This article is just so much paint by the numbers stuff. Any pope is going to be seen as "conservative" and "dogged by scandal" by the secular left. Pullella didn't have to think or research much to come up with such an expected and unsurprising boilerplate verdict.

30 posted on 02/11/2013 2:46:34 PM PST by x
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg
The odds of a liberal pope now are slim to none.

But higher if the conclave looks to Latin America or Africa for a replacement, as has been speculated.

Wow, what would that be like -- a "liberation theology" red-hot from S.America in the Vatican, to pull in harness with Barack I?

That'd be a real pair of jokers!

31 posted on 02/11/2013 3:11:28 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: verga
Not really...as all these brainwashed papists gush and prostrate over the departure of an old anti-Protestant bigot I felt it only...well, American...to point out his shortcomings...

...the old Nazi fart was just a man like anyone else, get it?

32 posted on 02/11/2013 3:50:16 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza is like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg

Pope Benedict has no veto over the selection; however, he did select a lot of those doing the selection. And I believe his legacy will include bringing the Church back from some of the over-reaching implementation of Vatican II.

I think I will be praying and trusting in the Holy Spirit - which brought us Pope Benedict!

Thank you very much for your reply, much appreciated.


33 posted on 02/11/2013 4:39:18 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: OpusatFR

Pope John Paul II was in far worse health, and did not resign. As smart as Pope John Paul II was, Pope Benedict was even probably even smarter, and more rigorously well-versed in the issues impacting the Church, and he knows what a terrible consequence this action will have.


34 posted on 02/11/2013 7:47:41 PM PST by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: EveningStar

ABC radio news blurb captured the liberal spin against Ratzinger in about three lines. He’s stepping down but is still power hungry because he will influence the next pope’s election from behind the scenes. He was too conservative and a more progressive new pope should be chosen. This point was made through audio of a college girl saying Catholicism should permit women priests.

A perfect gem of liberal agitprop, and thoroughly typical of ABC radio news.


35 posted on 02/11/2013 7:57:26 PM PST by Yardstick
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Happy Rain; verga

Happy Drain, aren’t you missed on huffingtonpost?


36 posted on 02/12/2013 1:35:42 AM PST by Cronos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Cronos
Like I said the haters are out in full force.
I was in the Seminary (as a Lay student) when JPII passed away. I warned the vocational candidates what was going to happen and they thought I was nuts. Three days later everyone of them apologized.
37 posted on 02/12/2013 2:30:49 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: verga

I call them liberals, not haters. These are people with no life and no beliefs except that they have this uncontrollable urge to say they are not Caflix


38 posted on 02/12/2013 2:51:27 AM PST by Cronos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Elsie
Patience. It's up to 26 now...

Hippy Drain is walking around all bent out of shape because he posted a bigoted thread about B XVI and I helped to get it pulled before more than 3 people replied.

39 posted on 02/12/2013 6:42:18 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: verga

AHhhh... I see.


40 posted on 02/12/2013 9:22:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson