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Church in Crisis: Pope Benedict Polarized More Than Unified
Speigel Online ^ | February 11, 2013 07:57 PM | A Commentary by Peter Wensierski

Posted on 02/11/2013 8:03:38 PM PST by haffast

Ever since his appointment in April 2005, Benedict XVI has been a divisive figure. The euphoria over the election of a Bavarian pope that first swept Germany has long since receded. With all due respect to the first pope to voluntarily step down in hundreds of years: In the eight years he held office, the pope did more to polarize than to unify Catholics in his country of birth.

Benedict XVI never managed to grow beyond his former self, the conservative professor of theology Joseph Ratzinger. The pope did not build bridges as a Pontifex Maximus should. Here in Germany, his election led to an increasing split within the Church. On the one side were the disappointed advocates of long-overdue reform. On the other were the fundamentalists, the upholders of tradition and self-appointed guardians of the faith who wanted to turn the clock back to before the Second Vatican Council and sought salvation in an authoritarian and hierarchical Church of the past.

Some in Germany are already speaking of a schism within the Conference of Bishops. During his years in office, Pope Benedict boosted the reactionary wing of the Catholic community, with its frequently obscure splinter groups, more than his predecessor did -- be it with his approaches to the ultra-conservative Pius Brothers, his scolding of renegade theologians or his fondness for the Traditional Mass. His efforts to address the abuse scandals that rocked the Catholic Church all over the world were too little, too late. Neither in the United States, Ireland nor Germany did he and his bishops manage to regain the trust subsequently lost.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholic; germany

1 posted on 02/11/2013 8:03:49 PM PST by haffast
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To: haffast
Polarized More Than Unified

Well it works well for Barack the Kenyan so what's the point? It works for some people and doesn't work for others.

2 posted on 02/11/2013 8:07:54 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: haffast

Says the liberal German rag.


3 posted on 02/11/2013 8:08:30 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: haffast
On the one side were the disappointed advocates of long-overdue reform. On the other were the fundamentalists, the upholders of tradition and self-appointed guardians of the faith who wanted to turn the clock back to before the Second Vatican Council and sought salvation in an authoritarian and hierarchical Church of the past.

Hmm. So who are the good guys and who are the bad guys in this characterization?

I feel like I am back in fourth grade taking a reading comprehension test: "What do you think the author's attitude is towards conservaives?"

Gee, if Der Speigel hates Benedict this much, he was a better pope than I gave him credit for.

4 posted on 02/11/2013 8:10:31 PM PST by Martin Tell (Victrix causa deis placuit sed victa Catoni.)
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5 posted on 02/11/2013 8:10:48 PM PST by narses
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To: Mastador1

Spiegel = “looking glass.”

Anyhow. Even though this pope hasn’t actually kicked any priests out of their congregations no matter how lefty liberal their ideas of Christianity are, Spiegel is screaming.


6 posted on 02/11/2013 8:15:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: haffast

I’m not a Catholic however as a protestant Christian if the world loves us then something is awfully wrong.


7 posted on 02/11/2013 8:16:14 PM PST by RginTN
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To: haffast

Those seeking “long-overdue reform”, are a band of fake Christians looking to destroy the church by shaming it into accepting sodomy and infanticide. The Bidenites as I like to call them. What branches of the faith have not succumbed to the rotting influence of this filth? Now, even our capital’s cathedral wallows in sin. Disgusting. I refuse to even acknowledge them. They are priests in the service of darkness.


8 posted on 02/11/2013 8:16:42 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: haffast

The Catholic-bashers of all stripes are certainly reveling in this news. Sensible conservatives, whether Catholic or not, had better hope that this works out for the good of the Church—meaning its return from dissidence and liberal rot throughout too many of its members, up to and including some of the bishops and other people in key roles.

No doubt Der Spiegel dreams of a new Pope who will approve of abortion, gay marriage, women priests, and all the rest of the liberal agenda. That will not happen. But we could get a weak Pope who lets the rot spread again by default.


9 posted on 02/11/2013 8:20:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Martin Tell

If the Church embraces the side of the “disappointed advocates of long-overdue reform,” I believe I will find another faith.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 8:20:09 PM PST by HawkHogan
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To: haffast

I think the Catholic Church along with many Protestant ones need to clear out the dead wood, get rid of the poisoned practices so many of their leaders espouse.

If you unite the good churches with the poisoned ones, they will soon all be poisoned.

The Church needs some polarization so we can tell the good from the bad.


11 posted on 02/11/2013 8:24:26 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: haffast

So standing firm for God and Christ is polarizing?

Christ told us that it would be.


12 posted on 02/11/2013 8:27:11 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: haffast

Hey. . .Peter Wensierski . . .who died and made you Pope?


13 posted on 02/11/2013 8:28:10 PM PST by McBuff
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To: haffast

Go ahead German press, eat your own. Shame.
Ratszinger was the best thing to come out of Germany in the past 100 years (some beers excluded as they may be somewhat comparable in quality).


14 posted on 02/11/2013 8:29:47 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: Martin Tell

I was about to quote the same lines and say something similar. How are we supposed to coexist with these people?


15 posted on 02/11/2013 8:32:25 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

We’re not. We’re supposed to segregate ourselves from them at all costs.


16 posted on 02/11/2013 8:45:13 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: haffast

He was only polarizing to those who felt guilty about their lifestyles, as he reminded them of their sinfulness.


17 posted on 02/11/2013 8:46:50 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: haffast

You can’t unify the evil half with the good half unless the Holy Spirit changes their hearts


18 posted on 02/11/2013 8:49:53 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SuziQ

Joseph Ratzinger was one of the more influential persons at Vatican II, but when 1968 came, he saw that matters had gone awry, and he set his face against those who wanted to separate the Church from Holy Tradition and from Rome.


19 posted on 02/11/2013 8:54:10 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: yarddog

Yes. It’s time to get back to the good old days of denunciation. If a church practices filth, this is not “another way of loving Christ’. This is perverting Christianity. These are FAKE churches.
The devout denominations need to hold an emergency conference, putting aside differences at least temporarily, and must agree to join in disavowing those who practice ‘Progressive Christianity’.

The Washington National Cathedral is a ROGUE church, meaning it is no longer a church glorifying the Lord. Dare I say ‘heretic’.


20 posted on 02/11/2013 8:54:29 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: haffast
". . . the reactionary wing of the Catholic community,. . ."

This is obviously a completely unbiased news report. /sarc

21 posted on 02/11/2013 9:11:14 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: haffast

Funny interview on TV tonight with a girl on Philly’s St. Josephs Univerisity campus, hoping the new Pope will be more “progressive” than the current one, who’s “too conservative on gay marriage and women’s rights” - bizarre people who believe the Chirch should change its teachings to conform with their “beliefs”, rather than accepting the Church’s teachings to guide their lives.....


22 posted on 02/11/2013 9:18:27 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: haffast

Germans like the majority of Europe are socialists, they hate the fact Pope Benedict never allowed gays to marry and thought abortion was wrong! Benedict never gave into their insanity, Benedict is a great yet humble man who knows that good is good and evil is evil!

Socialists put darkness for light and light for darkness, they will fail in their efforts to place faith in governments and flawed elites, God will not be mocked nor will He tolerate His Laws being ignored! Our governments like the media are insane! God is slow to act, yet they will know His wrath and the elites will be gnashing their teeth!


23 posted on 02/11/2013 9:22:27 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: haffast
Benedict XVI never managed to grow beyond his former self, the conservative professor of theology Joseph Ratzinger. The pope did not build bridges as a Pontifex Maximus should. . .

Folks in the news business always seem to put their fingers in their ears to keep out the news. Ratzinger kicked @$$ with a smile—a genuine smile. He phased out bad bishops and priests and installed good ones, lots of them, putting tough young men in influential positions. He reformed the English liturgy and made everyone accept it, despite predictions to the contrary. He was utterly beloved by the young, as was was JPII, drawing millions to World Youth Day. He has built for the future, and will even get to influence the choice of his successor—unlike popes who serve to the end of their lives. Just as important as all that, he has spoken the truth about Moslems, homosexuality, and holiness, among other things, in season and out of season, and never backed down.

As to whether Der Spiegel or other socialists with bad consciences speak well of B-16, well, he has been a soldier in a holy war against the devil and his useful idiots for 85 years. We don't think less of Eisenhower for being unpopular with Hitler.

24 posted on 02/11/2013 10:14:44 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: haffast
Lemming’s are unified when going over a cliff.

Just saying.

25 posted on 02/11/2013 10:23:14 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: haffast

Expect a schism among the liberals in Europe if the Cardinals elect another Catholic Christian as Pope.... And all the US press is cheering for a Latin American with liberation theology ideas to be elected.


26 posted on 02/12/2013 12:07:49 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: haffast

What a “screed.” Starts off with the Pope’s being “appointed,” rather than elected, and goes from error to raving bitterness in very short order.


27 posted on 02/12/2013 2:49:45 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: BenLurkin; fatima; narses; SkyDancer; Kaslin
Seems to me Christ was polarizing. Didn't they nail him to a cross?

Reckon the Pope's in good company.

28 posted on 02/12/2013 3:43:27 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Cicero

I am not Catholic but respected the Pope for standing up for what was right against many CINOs. Weaken the Pope, weaken the church. I have no use for “all get along” protestant leaders, either, or rabbis, for that matter.


29 posted on 02/12/2013 4:37:51 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: haffast
Pope Benedict Polarized More Than Unified

Well then considering that Jesus did the same thing, he's in good company in that department.

30 posted on 02/12/2013 4:43:52 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: haffast

To me, he comes off as a Pope that got the appointment through intrigue and power plays...just a “feeling” I have. He doesn’t seem devout or caring...cold. What the church needs is someone caring and loving yet strong in the traditions of the church. (Probably no Pope John types are left).


31 posted on 02/12/2013 4:58:49 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: Northern Yankee

I always liked Ratszinger,when he became Pope I was happy.He said the church would get smaller and he started to clean house.To tell you the truth anybody can own a newspaper and also be a writer.So I don’t pay attention to them.There is one thing that I wanted him to finish before he left and it looks like that is not going to happen.I prayed the rosary for him yesterday.


32 posted on 02/12/2013 5:36:53 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: haffast
the pope did more to polarize than to unify Catholics

Exactly, and that is Pope Benedict's greatness. The last thing we as Catholics should want is unity in the Church that was nearly crippled by Vatican II. The Pope did great work to unify the forces of the Holy Tradition in the Church by opening the door to the Latin Mass and to the Anglicans longing for authentic Christianity. But this work of unifying the authentic and the traditional in the Church could not have come but at a price of alienating the foreign and the syncretic in the left field. This work, of unifying the right and scattering the wrong must continue, and it will.


33 posted on 02/12/2013 5:57:09 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: RginTN

Eventually, and I think soon, there will be a pope who will unite the religions under one banner as in revelations, to be the one world religion. I think it will be under the catholic banner.

Hold true to the word of God, things today are increasingly uncertain, and I think true persecution is coming.


34 posted on 02/12/2013 6:19:34 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: BenLurkin

Yeah - from Der Spiegel April 30 A.D. - “Christ declares he came to bring a sword. He is proving to be a polarizing figure and not the unifier that advocates of long over-due reform had hoped for.”


35 posted on 02/12/2013 8:46:33 AM PST by stop_fascism (Love your country, but never trust its government - R.A. Heinlein)
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To: haffast

Oh, well. Life is about choices, and a little clarity at last is a good thing.


36 posted on 02/12/2013 9:04:54 AM PST by Romulus
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To: haffast
Benedict XVI has been a divisive figure.

He follows in the footsteps of his Master.

Matthew 10:
32 Every one therefore that shall confess me before men, I will also confess him before my Father who is in heaven. 33 But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven. 34 Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword. 35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And as a man's enemies shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it. 40 He that receiveth you, receiveth me: and he that receiveth me, receiveth him that sent me. 41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet, shall receive the reward of a prophet: and he that receiveth a just man in the name of a just man, shall receive the reward of a just man. 42 And whosoever shall give to drink to one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, amen I say to you, he shall not lose his reward.

37 posted on 02/12/2013 9:08:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Even though this pope hasn’t actually kicked any priests out of their congregations no matter how lefty liberal their ideas of Christianity are, Spiegel is screaming.

Imagine the howling from the left if a Pope were to reinstitute the Inquisition, as many of us 'conservative' Catholics have suggested?

The "apostolic visitations" sent to certain seminaries and religious congregations was extremely mild, but the leftists screamed like stuck pigs.

38 posted on 02/12/2013 9:52:20 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Exactly so. Faithful Christians—and Jews—should stick together and work against the common enemy.

I spent a good part of my professional life as a Catholic working together with Evangelical Christians toward those things we could all agree on. We could agree to disagree on other matters, but we could all agree on things like religious freedom and the right to life.

Having another strong and faithful Pope, who can continue to weed the liberal heretics out of positions of power in the Church, will be vital to the conservative cause in general. No need to agree on everything, but that should be clear enough.


39 posted on 02/12/2013 11:39:06 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: haffast
This is a news outlet that calls "Mothers, let your babies live" a "divisive, controversial position" that the Pope needs to "grow out of."

They portray betrayal of all decency as "growth."

Which indeed it is, as in broncho-pulmonary carcinoma.

40 posted on 02/12/2013 11:42:34 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and Judgment are the foundation of His throne.")
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
I think your "feeling" may have been influenced by secular media portrayal, which has always been either uncomprehending or malicious toward Benedict, and has always cast him in a cold light. Unfortunately, most of us get our info from the secular media, more to our detriment.

If you have the chance, I would like to recommend that you read some of Benedict's writings first-hand. They're not hard to find. His major works are available used for under $10 at (This LINK) and really, it's good stuff.

I find him actually tender, as well as clear and above all truthful, even when he's speaking "Truth to Power" --- and by "power" I mean, he's speaking to powerful hostile audiences, like 90% of the secular press.

"The fact that the Lord can work and act even with insufficient means consoles me, and above all I entrust myself to your prayers."
Pope Benedict XVI

41 posted on 02/12/2013 12:06:11 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Benedictur qui venit in Nomine Domini.)
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To: haffast

I’ve just heard someone who knows the history of the Church in and out say in response to a similar MSM report: “The Church has been in crisis for 2,000 years and it survives!”


42 posted on 02/12/2013 12:08:47 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Bulwyf

I don’t think so. Not under a Catholic banner. Only moral relativists -— the very ones has been Benedict warning us about -— could unite all religions in this world, and then only when they have all the true Catholics -— all true Christians -— in prisons or in the grave.


43 posted on 02/12/2013 12:10:22 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Benedictus qui venit in Nomine Domini.)
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To: RobbyS

He fought against those who were making changes ‘in the Spirit of Vatican II’ that bore no resemblance to anything in the documents.


44 posted on 02/12/2013 3:34:28 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SamuraiScot

Your post reflects my first thoughts when I heard the news about our German Shepard stepping down.

I remember when he was elevated to Pope and everyone thought he would only be in office for a few years at most.

I believe he has done what the Holy Spirit has called him to do.

What a joy and a blessing he has been.

May God’s grace by always upon him.


45 posted on 02/12/2013 5:17:04 PM PST by Jvette
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
He doesn’t seem devout or caring...cold. What the church needs is someone caring and loving yet strong in the traditions of the church. (Probably no Pope John types are left).

Pope Benedict XVI was exactly what we needed at the time. We had enjoyed years of the happy Pope, who was so warm and effusive, but as he declined in health, the people who wanted to change the Church started their sniping and pushing, thinking they can make headway because they perceive the Pope as weak.

When Cardinal Ratzinger preached the sermon at the funeral of John Paul II, it was exactly what we all needed to hear, and I believe the Cardinals felt the moving of the Holy Spirit in him, so that's why it didn't take long for them to choose him. They'd known him for years as strong in faith and full of love for God; it was a logical step. He was strong and sure, and stood against modernity and those who would change the Church simply because she was standing against the things they wanted to do.

I pray our next Pope is a good mix of the two who preceded him.

46 posted on 02/12/2013 6:56:32 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: fatima
I am with you on the Pope. I thought he was excellent.

He has a brilliant mind, and understands the liturgy better than anyone living.

Have a blessed Lent.

47 posted on 02/13/2013 3:28:48 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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