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Catholic military chaplains could soon become outlaws
Spero News ^ | Wednesday, February 06, 2013 | Father George Rutler

Posted on 02/11/2013 11:24:48 PM PST by robowombat

Catholic military chaplains could soon become outlaws

By Father George Rutler

The Geneva Convention’s classification of military chaplains as noncombatants has traditionally been interpreted in the United States to mean that chaplains normally do not carry weapons. This often puts them in precarious positions when they are in war zones. Over four hundred chaplains have been killed in the line of duty. Catholic chaplains are especially exposed to dangerous situations by their obligation to administer Absolution and Anointing. They have received every kind of decoration for valor, and seven have been awarded the Medal of Honor.

All four chaplains awarded the Medal since the Civil War have been Catholic. Among them, Lieutenant Vincent Capodanno, a Maryknoll priest and Navy chaplain, who served with the Marine Corps and was killed while aiding the second Platoon of M Company at the battle of Dong Son in Vietnam, has been proposed for heaven’s highest honor, canonization as a saint.

The military chaplaincy is under threat by our own government as part of its social agenda. One year ago, the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains tried to forbid Catholic chaplains from reading a statement from the Military Ordinary, Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who oversees all priests in the Catholic Ordinariate for the Armed Forces, in which he objected to federally mandated health insurance covering sterilization, abortifacients and contraception in violation of the right to religious freedom. Now the government would compel chaplains to acquiesce in “same-sex” simulations of marriage. The Army’s deputy chief of staff in charge of personnel has said that military members who dissent from this agenda are “bigoted” and “need to get out.”

As behavior contrary to Christian morality becomes a civil right, Catholics in particular could soon become, quite literally, outlaws. Our current President recently announced that he will disobey a provision in the National Defense Authorization Act, signed by his own hand, which states that chaplains cannot be forced “to perform any rite, ritual or ceremony that is contrary to the conscience, moral principles or religious beliefs of the chaplain.”

I am always edified by the sacrificing spirit of good soldiers, and as a chaplain to West Point alumni here in New York, I am pleased when cadets serve at Mass. Governments that have tried to manipulate soldiers and doctors and teachers in perverse ways have always had a short shelf life. The nineteenth-century French political philosopher Frédéric Bastiat warned: “When misguided public opinion honors what is despicable and despises what is honorable, punishes virtue and rewards vice, encourages what is harmful and discourages what is useful, applauds falsehood and smothers truth under indifference or insult, a nation turns its back on progress and can be restored only by the terrible lessons of catastrophe.”

Military chaplains do not bear arms, but they have recourse to another arsenal: “Therefore take unto you the armour of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and to stand in all things perfect” (Ephesians 6:11).


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Now the government would compel chaplains to acquiesce in “same-sex” simulations of marriage. The Army’s deputy chief of staff in charge of personnel has said that military members who dissent from this agenda are “bigoted” and “need to get out.” The disgrace to the uniform that uttered those words is Lieutenant General Thomas P. Bostick

Over two years ago Bostick, who the Mahdi has chosen to make the new commander of the Corps of Engineers displayed both his hubris and moral squalor as reported here in a letter to the Washington Times:

By Rob Fulcher-The Washington Times Thursday, September 23, 2010

The military community of Stuttgart, Germany, hosted the only “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” sensing sessions for Europe. I was one of about 500 people who attended.

As we say in the Army, bottom line upfront - I have zero confidence in Lt. Gen. Thomas P. Bostick and his committee’s ability to produce a fair and balanced report on their findings. From his opening remarks all the way through the last question, Gen. Bostick and the other members on his panel were more condescending than parents to their children. When members of the audience asked questions or gave opinions in opposition to the proposed change, Gen. Bostick and his crew responded with phrases or sentences beginning with “when the policy changes” and “after implementation,” if we were lucky to get a response.

There were several points and ideas presented by members of the military that Gen. Bostick didn’t even deem worthy to respond to. The best question came from a warrant officer, “Before we rush to possibly ruin our military, wouldn’t it be best to have an anonymous survey to find out how many gay people are in the military and how many of them would actually openly admit being gay if given the opportunity?” Gen. Bostick simply asked for the next question, which wasn’t really a question. A black senior noncommissioned officer stood up and challenged the general on the issue of civil rights stating, “I am black, and I find it highly offensive that you would consider homosexuality to be the same as civil rights of blacks.” Again, Gen. Bostick sat smug in his chair without a response.

After awhile, the sanctimonious and pompous answers given by him and his panel were easy to overlook. However, the simultaneous gasp of a few hundred people came when Gen. Bostick responded to the morality and religious aspects of homosexuality. It is absolutely true that Gen. Bostick in part thinks that Christians were bigots and racists and those who felt homosexuality was immoral should start looking for a new line of work. He even went on to say that there will be zero tolerance for chaplains to preach against homosexuality and those that did would most likely be dealt with under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

The real question that needs to be asked before any change to the military should be “Will this make the military stronger?” Regardless of what the answer is, we must not be afraid of the truth, no matter how much we might not like it or how unpopular it might make us.

ROB FULCHER

Patch Barracks

Stuttgart, Germany

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/23/witness-to-bostick-comments/#ixzz2KfNSZtZz

Bostick is an evil looking person who positively exudes arrogance and drips the sin of pride. With such men as this leading our military I leave it to the reader to draw the appropriate conclusion as to what the judgement of history will be.

1 posted on 02/11/2013 11:24:54 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

So Mr. Obama is now to the Left and much more radical than former German Chancellor Adolf Hitler on matters of the military chaplaincy? Doesn’t that seem strange to you?


2 posted on 02/11/2013 11:37:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, but the Wehrmacht also did not have twisted little turds like Bostick as GO’s either. Corrupt careerists yes, plenty of them but yet real soldiers in an evil cause. Is the cause we promote virtuous? That is getting harder and harder to defend.
3 posted on 02/11/2013 11:51:52 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat
Many of them felt they were fighting against Bolshevism.
4 posted on 02/12/2013 12:03:20 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That is certainly true. Once Barbarossa was launched the Reich was in a war for existential survival. Caveats about the regime seemed pretty unimportant balanced against simply surviving. Americans have no real idea what such a war as that was like. Southerners have some inkling of what real fighting to the death means but the Union Army on its worse day (Columbia SC) was a polite and gentlemanly organization compared to the Soviets on their best behavior.
5 posted on 02/12/2013 12:08:54 AM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Military chaplains ping


6 posted on 02/12/2013 12:50:23 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: robowombat

Bostick appears to be one Holder’s “people”.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 1:02:57 AM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: beelzepug

...one OF Holder’s people.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 1:04:18 AM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: xzins

This might interest you.


9 posted on 02/12/2013 1:15:19 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: robowombat

With an atheist Marxist, strutting little would-be dictator as president, it’s no surprise that chaplains are “anathema.”

In fact, it would be more surprising if they weren’t.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 4:13:21 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: robowombat
Let's be brutally honest here. In an all-volunteer U.S. military, the whole notion of a "Catholic chaplain" is really an oxymoron. A Catholic priest these days has a duty to counsel his flock that they have no business joining the U.S. military anyway.

I've never been comfortable with the idea of having clerics serving in uniform, where they are constantly under the often-adversarial wills of God and Caesar.

11 posted on 02/12/2013 4:19:32 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: robowombat

Here is reality, if you are not an outlaw in one way or several descriptions of what the Obama regime describes then you are doing nothing to defend the Constitution.

We are REQUIRED by the 2A to be outlaws, the illegal usurped supremacy regime of course will call us all sorts of dirty names, but never the less its our stand, our belief, to defend our way of life..NOT theirs.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 4:20:52 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: robowombat
Catholic military chaplains could soon become outlaws

The REAL outlaw is infesting 1600 Penn.

13 posted on 02/12/2013 5:36:29 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Gene Eric; gleeaikin; Buggman; XeniaSt; P-Marlowe; LiteKeeper; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; ...
I think this author has it right. There is great potential right now for chaplains to be forced to operate against the doctrine of their denomination and their conscience.

At this point in time, I believe they are protected by public law that requires them to be representatives of their denomination, but I'd have to reread the exact wording of the law to see if it is worded for an era in which no one could have ever conceived of this era of have military gays, gay weddings, and the like.

In a recent lawsuit, an Army SSG filed suit against a chaplain for saying "our heavenly father" in a prayer he prayed at the end of a training session. In other words, it was an entirely innocuous prayer that would have held up in most religions, except those with female deities. (Even then it could be argued as a figure of speech.)

I have no use for innocuous praying in any required event, but that's the state of our military today. At a religious event the chaplain can pray however (s)he likes. At a non-religious event, the chaplain is strongly encouraged to be "pluralistic". (O thou the one who might or might not be there?...oi veh...)

The army responded with this bit of gobbledygook, which at least was trying to give support to their unit and their chaplain.

The Army denies any wrongdoing.

“The Battalion Chaplain spoke to the companies gathered in the theater and he encouraged the young Soldiers to lean on a higher power in their journey through life,” it wrote in a statement in October of last year. “The chaplain’s prayer had no reference to any specific deity, and ended with the words, ‘through Your holy name.’ This is the same ending offered during each training course, graduation ceremony or other military-sponsored event.”

“The Army is cognizant of our soldiers’ religious freedoms, and would never violate their free exercise of religion or choice not to profess a religious faith,” it added.

The army makes it sound as if the politically correct phrase that they now teach chaplains to say is: "through your holy name."

We might do better to return to the procedure of our messianic brethren who don't speak the name at all.

I'm serious.

Thou Unnamed One.

The future of the chaplaincy should this Obama term be replaced with another liberal?? I think the chaplaincy will be terminated as part of the military and replaced with psychology degreed political officers in each battalion, as was the old soviet army.

14 posted on 02/12/2013 5:43:05 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: robowombat

Perhaps, perhaps, he envisions an army similar to the “300” Spartans, who were totally immoral and ultimately wiped out by who? (Providential that Sparta no longer exists?)

I believe God still judges nations by their legal systems. We are facing the wrath of Jesus who has been given all authority.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 7:24:33 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: xzins

I like “I AM WHO I AM”


16 posted on 02/12/2013 7:29:12 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

It has merit


17 posted on 02/12/2013 7:34:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Alberta's Child
This is a somewhat different question. James Madison opposed the appointment of chaplains anywhere in government and opposed official days of religiously oriented national prayer or thanksgiving. He accepted and signed such resolutions as President when sent him by Congress but never initiated such events. Why? Not because he was an atheist or secularist. Quite the contrary, Madison was a profoundly religious man whose faith was represented by a sort of broad church Episcopalian-ism similar to that of Robert E. Lee in which the purposes and methods of G-d are considered beyond mortal knowledge and faith is man's surest guide amid the perils of life. Madison opposed any religious involvement with the secular forces of government as he saw it as the surest path to the corruption of religion in that man cannot serve two masters. Many or at least some in the military and the nation as a whole whether religious or secular are going to be forced to choose soon which master they will serve. Caesar is demanding or going to demand that we render unto him things that are not of his portion. Beyond that the norming of homosexuality and the elimination of bars to women serving in the combat arms can be seen as classic expressions of the American penchant for functional pragmatism and experimentalism. If there is a national heresy it is in the tendency to take these trends to their logical ends. That is being done here and there are very bad consequences to flow from these actions.
18 posted on 02/12/2013 7:48:41 AM PST by robowombat
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To: xzins

Makes my heart sick to read what obama and the left are doing to our military and to our chaplains. Who needs the chaplains’ service, counsel, honest prayers more than those who would protect the rest of us? To tie their hands or shut their mouths shows absolute distain for their value to our fighting force.

As far as replacing Jesus, Father, God, .......I DO like The Great I Am. The Word, The Way, The Truth,....there are so many possibilities


19 posted on 02/12/2013 8:30:58 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Something tells me the muslim chaplain will not be told to “shut up with the allah talk.”

That is unfair to those who are being told to “shut up with the Jesus talk”, but that’s not surprising. Christianity scares liberals to death. (One of the many proofs that Christianty is true is the unreasonable opposition to it when other religions don’t receive that same opposition.)

“I Am” definitely appeals to me. Even now, I still pray, “We pray for the peace of the Messiah. Amen”

I wonder if that would still fly.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 8:41:46 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: beelzepug
That may be true. I wish i knew what Mr. holder had in mind other than mere group identity. If that is his meaning than he is no different than many white Southerners whose unofficial but real mantra was ‘the white boys all stick together’. Unfortunately I think the meaning is much more profound than just some jejune ethnic cliquishness. Most black people of Gen. Bostick’s generation had a pretty heavy dose of black church evangelical religion. Whatever messages of economic liberalism and state-ism these churches promulgated there was a lot of standard evangelical personal morality based on Biblical principles taught. Bostick specifically rejects these moral teachings in his abrasive dismissal of the profound ethical dilemma the official norming of homosexuality by the armed forces presents any serious Christian in uniform and more especially so those who are chaplains. that leads me back to the beginning. I fear ‘Holder's people’ are not just all people of color but only those who can only relate to statesim, moral relativism, and perpetual agitational anger. All of these things are implicit or explicit rejections of fundamental moral tenets of Christianity.
21 posted on 02/12/2013 8:43:27 AM PST by robowombat
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To: xzins; betty boop; P-Marlowe; Thermopylae
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

The future of the chaplaincy should this Obama term be replaced with another liberal?? I think the chaplaincy will be terminated as part of the military and replaced with psychology degreed political officers in each battalion, as was the old soviet army.

When my daughter recently faced the decision of whether to do the right thing even though it would likely result in her losing her job (which it did) and possibly her career - her response was "My God died for me, what's a job compared to that?"

I suspect many Christian Chaplains will have a similar "red sea moment" during the term of this presidency - and I pray their response will be like hers. Better to be a nomad in a wilderness following God's leading than to rest in a land controlled by people who do not care Who He IS or What He wants.

22 posted on 02/12/2013 10:13:06 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; xzins; P-Marlowe; Thermopylae
Better to be a nomad in a wilderness following God's leading than to rest in a land controlled by people who do not care Who He IS or What He wants.

Or worse, controlled people who are satanically adverse to God, who loathe Him and all His Works and seek to enslave His people.

These are trying times, testing times: Endure by faith in the Word of the Lord thy God and all will be well.

23 posted on 02/13/2013 9:38:00 AM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop
So very true, dearest sister in Christ!

Endure by faith in the Word of the Lord thy God and all will be well.

Amen!

24 posted on 02/13/2013 9:40:03 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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