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Could a Constitutional Amendment for Term Limits get passed, and would you support it?
The People | 2/12/2013 | Me

Posted on 02/12/2013 8:51:43 AM PST by goodnesswins

OK....is it time, finally, for Term Limits? It seems the only way we can BEGIN to get some control over our "public servants." Here is a Gallup poll (FWIW) that says 75% of Americans would approve Term Limits.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159881/americans-call-term-limits-end-electoral-college.aspx

Could we make it happen? Would you support it?


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1 posted on 02/12/2013 8:51:53 AM PST by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins

Not in favor of anything that puts restrictions or limitations on who I can vote for - outside of the limitations already in the Constitution (age, residency etc.)


2 posted on 02/12/2013 8:55:50 AM PST by Paisan
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To: goodnesswins

And end electoral college?

LOL


3 posted on 02/12/2013 8:56:32 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: goodnesswins

Yes, if...

One term in office

Second term in prison.

Congress is slime.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 8:56:40 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: goodnesswins

Term limits-reluctantly yes (because the voters are so stupid)

Eliminate the Electoral College-No (most low information and some who think they are informed, have no clue as to the sound reasoning behind this)


5 posted on 02/12/2013 8:57:12 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: goodnesswins

yes—i would support term limits... but the power-hungry hypocrites would never pass it... not setting limits on the Congress is one thing our Founding Fathers—for whom i have the highest esteem—got wrong...


6 posted on 02/12/2013 8:58:05 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: goodnesswins

you have a poll and i have an opinion. Living here in NYC and having seen how Bloomberg circumvented term limits and oh just this once and only for him because hey the water won’t flow without him. Forgive me if i don’t trust term limits to actually work.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 8:58:54 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: goodnesswins

Hell YES!!

Term Limits:

One term in office, Two terms in Jail.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 8:59:57 AM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416 "It’s one thing to make a law, It’s another to enforce it.")
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To: goodnesswins

Unreal...

List of members of the United States Congress by longevity of service
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_longevity_of_service


9 posted on 02/12/2013 9:00:34 AM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: cripplecreek

I never suggested ending the Electoral College....just term limit idea.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 9:01:49 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins
I would rather have an amendment that prevented Congress from excluding themselves from the laws that they make, and also do away with retirement benefits for elected officials.

Also, I think we could self-term-limit Congress if all Federal buildings in DC did not have air-conditioning like it was for the first 100+ years...

11 posted on 02/12/2013 9:03:13 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: wiggen

Yes, I worry about the reshuffling of the deck chairs too, although it WOULD put a major crimp in their style, AND, also challenge the bureaucracy. I would think it would allow for more challenges from newcomers...eh?


12 posted on 02/12/2013 9:03:32 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: kosciusko51

I LIKE the way you think! And, you have an excellent point about the retirement benefits, however, that may be harder to get rid of than getting term limits, I’m afraid.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 9:04:54 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

I doubt term-limits would work.

Term limits would just create a more entrenched class of behind-the-scenes DC careerists, whose stock-and-trade would be knowledge of the vast Federal bureaucracy (and corporations) in their area of expertise. They would become the “brains” behind a politician who could never become as expert in their limited time.

Politicians would cycle in and out, but these people would remain the same - indeed, they would become indispensable to new representatives who know little about how the Empire operates at the center.

As we saw with Obamacare, no politicians wrote that monstrosity. All, or most of it, was sitting there already prepared beforehand, created by long-time party and policy wonks and lobbying groups. Term limits would just give them more power.


14 posted on 02/12/2013 9:06:31 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Wurlitzer

+1


15 posted on 02/12/2013 9:06:31 AM PST by skimbell
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To: goodnesswins

ideally yes but i have trust issues with politicians.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 9:06:35 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: goodnesswins

I am in favor of term limits. I don’t feel any person has a right to be elected over and again. Let’s be honest here. Incumbents have unusually high chances of being re-elected because they have a political machine behind them. I realize that some will argue COL Allen West against this, but he’d have been easily re-elected had his first district not been redistricted...and it appears that some within the party did it on purpose.

Our founders did not envision career politicians. They envisioned the people having a representative government where anybody that was not a felon could run for office. They envisioned that people would serve and go back to their homes as citizens. We have a group that feels threatened and pulls out all the stops, regardless of how ugly it gets, to maintain their power. And this is why we need term limits. These people take more power away from us every time they are elected. Look how long it takes to get some of these people out? Some will never be voted out. (Pelosi, Boxer, Reid, Feinstein, et al) We need term limits. If we had a perfect society, or even a more polite one, we’d not need them so much. But those days are LONG past. We need to face that.

Term limits would rein in the “lion of the Senate” mentality, where we honor people for service who have done more to destroy the country, have NO MORALS, and win on their family name and the power they hold over a segment of the population. This MUST stop if we are to redeem our society.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 9:08:20 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Wurlitzer

Actually I’d rather do away with the election of senators by popular vote. I’d rather that senators were elected by a system like the electoral college within their states. A set number of votes per state with the winner getting most.

I’m sick of Detroit and Flint choosing our senators and president.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 9:09:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: goodnesswins

NO!

There is a two term limit for the president now. It is not the federal governments business to say how a state chooses it’s representatives. If you want term limits in your state go for it, but leave the choices up to the other states. It gives the federal government more power. Is that what you want to do?


19 posted on 02/12/2013 9:09:08 AM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: goodnesswins

Six terms for a Representative, two terms for a Senator [or combination thereof - 3 in the House, 1 in the Senate]. Twelve years total each.

In order to pass, it would have to be by Constitutional Convention - you’re never going to get the votes from Congress to then send to the states.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 9:10:21 AM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: goodnesswins

If we restrict terms of elected officials then the real power in the government (state or federal) will be the entrenched bureaucrats to whom the newly elected officials must turn to in order to find out how to run the government. We must therefore also limit terms of the bureaucracy.

But term limits on either group miss the broader problem: government is just too big. It intrudes into too many areas of life that government is not suited by its very nature to deal with. Bureaucrats write far more regulations having the weight of law than Congress passes in the form of just laws. And Congress often passes a law that gives power to the bureaucrats to define even more law via regulations yet to be written. (hello ObamaCare).


21 posted on 02/12/2013 9:12:08 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Shery

Yeah baby! Limit to two terms, they can’t ever be elected to both legislative branches. Pay them more money for the two terms but they don’t get the “golden parachute” when they leave. Enough is enough!


22 posted on 02/12/2013 9:12:08 AM PST by Ab Alius Domitor ("In the end; the winner")
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To: goodnesswins

Not term limits. move tax day to the last tuesday in October and a lot of this nonsense would sort itself out.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 9:12:34 AM PST by BudgieRamone (Everybody loves a bonk on the head.)
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To: goodnesswins

Robert Byrd, senator 1957-2010
Daniel Inouye, senator 1962-2012
Ted Kennedy, senator 1962-2009
Ted Stevens, senator 1967-2009
Joe Biden, senator 1973-2009
Patrick Leahy, senator 1975-present
Orrin Hatch, senator 1977-present
Thad Cochrane, senator 1978-present
John Dingell, representative 1955-present
John Conyers, representative 1965-present
Charles Rangel, representative 1973-present
Bill Young, representative 1973-present
Don Young, representative 1973-present

Yes, we need term limits. And yes I would support such an amendment. Equal terms for both House members and senators. Either twelve or eighteen years consecutive max.


24 posted on 02/12/2013 9:12:53 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: goodnesswins
Term limits - Yes. These people go to Washington as paupers but retire as multimillionaires (all of them). How can they do that on their government salaries alone?
Those who are in Washington write laws that benefit their own wallets - obviously. If time is limited, the millions aren't there for the taking. We might actually have a government that does something for people other than for themselves, their own unlimited power, or their own life time unlimited luxuries.

Eliminate the Electoral college - No. Without it, the smaller states would have no voice - ever. It would be a mob rule. California and NYC would decide for the entire country. All the states in between would be used as their slaves.

25 posted on 02/12/2013 9:14:31 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: cotton1706

I smell a bait-and-switch, or some other way to implement “term limits” in such a way as to allow the Fraud to serve more than 8 years and/or reduce Republicans’ terms.


26 posted on 02/12/2013 9:16:19 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: ThomasThomas

I want term limits for Senators and Representatives at all levels....not just the Presidency. Why just the Presidency, and not the others? We live in different times. I’d also like to see all Senators and Reps required to stay in their states, and vote from their (electronically)....but, that’s just me. With technology, they don’t all need to be in DC anymore.....except for the bennies, which it seems is what they want. Look at Patty Murray....dumbkoff of Washington...she should have been gone years ago!


27 posted on 02/12/2013 9:17:25 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

Term limits of ONE term...that way; we don’t p*ss away any time on re-election while in office.


28 posted on 02/12/2013 9:18:23 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: goodnesswins

If they don’t fulfill the promises they made when elected, they don’t get another term. No nepotism & if convicted of a crime, NO PENSION.


29 posted on 02/12/2013 9:20:10 AM PST by FES0844
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To: goodnesswins
I’d also like to see all Senators and Reps required to stay in their states

I agree, there's no reason for them to spend so much time in Washington. In fact I would require them to remain in their districts as if they're on probation.

A requirement for congressmen to spend at least 21 days per month in their home districts was the first bill my congressman introduced in 2010. It was shoved aside naturally.
30 posted on 02/12/2013 9:21:17 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: goodnesswins

Nope, it’ll never happen, but yes, I would support it as a means of limiting foolishness.


31 posted on 02/12/2013 9:24:18 AM PST by pallis
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To: Paisan

While I agree with that in principle, the low information, low IQ, angry feral adolescents (both chronological and intellectual) now roaming the countryside will soon outnumber the rest of us. They already do in the big blue states.


32 posted on 02/12/2013 9:24:30 AM PST by Dick Bachert ("Those who hammer their swords into plowshares will likely plow for those who do not." B.Franklin)
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To: goodnesswins

How about no...

Lets pass a constitutional amendment to limit the government’s activities to those actually listed in the constitution.

The issue of term limits then, resolves itself.


33 posted on 02/12/2013 9:25:00 AM PST by Hugh the Scot
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To: cotton1706

In actual years....WOOOWEEE...

53 years....Robert Byrd, senator 1957-2010
50 years....Daniel Inouye, senator 1962-2012
47 years....Ted Kennedy, senator 1962-2009
42 years....Ted Stevens, senator 1967-2009
46 years....Joe Biden, senator 1973-2009
38 years....Patrick Leahy, senator 1975-present
36 years....Orrin Hatch, senator 1977-present
35 years....Thad Cochrane, senator 1978-present
58 years....John Dingell, representative 1955-present
48 years....John Conyers, representative 1965-present
40 years....Charles Rangel, representative 1973-present
40 years....Bill Young, representative 1973-present
40 years....Don Young, representative 1973-present

Yes, we need term limits. And yes I would support such an amendment. Equal terms for both House members and senators. Either twelve or eighteen years consecutive max.


34 posted on 02/12/2013 9:25:47 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: goodnesswins

Maybe. If congress only met every other year for 100 days and all the benefits got pulled, NO.

Without that, I would look at it.


35 posted on 02/12/2013 9:25:54 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Hugh the Scot

THAT would be great....but would a majority vote for it???


36 posted on 02/12/2013 9:26:50 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: ThomasThomas

Limit them to being in session 100 days every other year, and no term limits would be fine.


37 posted on 02/12/2013 9:27:25 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: goodnesswins

No need for a term limit law.

- Just cut their pay by at least 25%
- Cut their allowable expenses by 75%
- Limit their staffs to about 6 people so they actually have to work
- Do away with their gold plated retirement and medical plans
- Put them on social security like the rest of us
- Pass a law they cannot work as a lobbyist for 10 years after leaving any government office or job
- Pass another law that they have to resign their current office before they can run for a different office
(no more 2 to 3 year presidential campaigns while drawing pay as a senator like Obama and Hillary)


38 posted on 02/12/2013 9:28:02 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Iron Munro

I agree with all of those....BUT....how you going to get them passed?


39 posted on 02/12/2013 9:29:15 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Lmo56

“...Six terms for a Representative, two terms for a Senator [or combination thereof - 3 in the House, 1 in the Senate]. Twelve years total each....”

That MUST be specified, with no ambiguity, that one individual gets those twelve years ONLY. doesn’t matter how it comes. ONLY TWELVE YEARS to one individual. That’s it. And, after they finish that twelve, they CAN’T take a few years off and come back for more. One individual gets those twelve years max on The Hill. No more. It has to be specified that way.


40 posted on 02/12/2013 9:29:29 AM PST by NCC-1701 (The LEFT's intolerance of the RIGHT is intolerable.)
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To: goodnesswins

Elections are term limits .....vote !

Concentrating on defeating election fraud seems to be the priority right now...

Ensure our votes are valid an counted .....

My opinion.


41 posted on 02/12/2013 9:31:35 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: goodnesswins

If we want incumbents to actually lose periodically the path is to get rid of campaign finance “reform”, which accomplishes none of the stated goals of reducing the money influence but every time it gets stricter the incumbent reelection rate goes up.


42 posted on 02/12/2013 9:33:34 AM PST by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: goodnesswins
I agree with all of those....BUT....how you going to get them passed?

In my dreams while hunkered down in a bunker waiting for troops from Obama's National Civilian Community Corps to blow the doors off.


43 posted on 02/12/2013 9:34:14 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Wurlitzer

Term limits are NOT the answer for voter stupidity.

The Founders did not impart term limits off the bat for a reason. We were number one in the world, because we had the best education system in the world.

Voter stupidity is a symptom of a larger problem. The Federal government needs to get out of education, and unions need to be banned from the education systems in the state-run era of public education.

Federally-run education is an abortion and should be immediately shut down. States should then focus on CIVICS and the basics of living in a constitutional republic.

Pie-in-the-sky, warm-feelings, never-gonna-happen scenario, but that’s the root of our issues. Liberals have controlled the education systems in this country for too long and have summarily turned out increasingly retarded kids out into the world as “educated.”


44 posted on 02/12/2013 9:36:34 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: goodnesswins

Ask congress to vote against themelves returning to office?

Another Fantasy Island post I see,


45 posted on 02/12/2013 9:38:47 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: goodnesswins

Term limits are a double-edged sword. They get rid of some good conservatives as well.


46 posted on 02/12/2013 9:39:20 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: goodnesswins
Better still I'm more in favor of Revolution. America needs a complete toilet flush. Term limits would just be one solid reason that we must have it.
47 posted on 02/12/2013 9:40:05 AM PST by Logical me
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To: kosciusko51
I would rather have an amendment that prevented Congress from excluding themselves from the laws that they make

OMG. They'd never write another oppressive law again. With a flat tax, they wouldn't be pushing tax increases on everyone else, either.

This is a good one. There's no reason they shouldn't be subject to the same laws as those they "SERVE".

48 posted on 02/12/2013 9:40:17 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: latina4dubya

Since those elected had to ride a horse or a bumpy coach
to work many miles, the FF, didn’t think many would want
to serve more than two terms. Now, of course, we can’t get
them out since the unions and benefactors control the vote.


49 posted on 02/12/2013 9:40:31 AM PST by cliff630
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To: cripplecreek
So am I !

CC

50 posted on 02/12/2013 9:42:33 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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