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Support for Dorner Troubling (Dennis Prager)
Townhall ^ | February 12, 2013 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 02/12/2013 4:35:26 PM PST by beaversmom

Just when you thought you’ve seen it all with the Sandy Hook murders of a classroom full of children, America experiences another new low: A man named Christopher Dorner murders (as of this writing) three innocent people in order to air personal grievances. And his grievances are given serious attention by the national media, not to mention left-wing websites.

To better understand this, imagine the outcry if, let us say, a white student who was certain that he was denied admission to a prestigious university because of affirmative action, murdered a university official and the daughter of the dean of admissions and her fiance.

Imagine further that this man had posted a lengthy manifesto delineating how unfairly he had been treated by that university, and that he would continue to murder admissions department officials until the university admitted he was wrongfully rejected.

And imagine if the murderer had listed Fox News and conservative talk show hosts as media personalities he admired, as Dorner listed Chris Matthews, Tavis Smiley and Soledad O’Brien, among others, nearly all on the left.

Finally, imagine how the media, and perhaps the president himself, would have reacted.

A tsunami of vilification of conservatives and of conservative media would have ensued. We would be told 24/7 that talk radio is hate radio and that Fox News should be ostracized from civilized company. We would be told how right-wing hate had produced such a murderous man.

Moreover the murderer would be labeled exactly what he was, a murderer, and would not be regarded by any conservatives as in any way heroic. Conservative commentators would, rightly, outdo one another in condemnation of the murderer.

This has not been the case with Christopher Dorner. He is widely depicted as a man with legitimate grievances that caused him to “snap.” His “manifesto” is widely read and often praised, a Facebook page has been set up to defend him, and thousands of commentators on left-wing sites concentrate their fury on the Los Angeles Police Department, while portraying Dorner sympathetically.

It is important to remember that Dorner murdered a young woman and her fiance simply because she was the daughter of a cop — the man who acted as Dorner’s defense advocate in the LAPD proceedings against him. But as one comment on a left-wing site noted, that was a good idea because if the cop had been murdered, he wouldn’t have suffered, but if his daughter and her fianc? are murdered, then the cop would experience real pain until he died.

Any public figure, especially any member of the clergy, who does not unambiguously condemn Dorner as a psychopathic murderer, is failing in his or her duty. This is not the time to discuss allegations of racism in the Los Angeles Police Department. For one thing, being wrongfully dismissed from a job — if, indeed, that is what happened to Dorner — inhabits a different moral universe than murder. For another, the more the public pays attention to this murderer’s “manifesto,” the more murders-for-attention will take place.

How could any number of self-pitying angry individuals who see themselves as victims not get the idea that murdering people is a great way to get people to take you and your grievances seriously?

Constance Rice, a prominent Los Angeles civil rights attorney, a black woman called by NPR last year the “Conscience Of The City [Los Angeles],” wrote in a Los Angeles Times op-ed column about “the disturbing support for Dorner’s manifesto from the black community on the Internet and on black radio.”

And Rice, who has said that she woke up every day for years wondering how she could sue the Los Angeles Police Department for alleged abuses, went on to write, “Dorner is absolutely wrong when he states in the manifesto that ‘the department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days’. ... The good guys are now in charge of LAPD culture.”

But that apparently does not matter to the many black Americans who have so much anger and so clearly define themselves as victims that they will, in too many cases, support black murderers — from OJ Simpson to Christopher Dorner.

What we have here is another proof that nothing leads to murder and other evils more than a sense of victimization. This is true for nations, just as it is for individuals. The German sense of victimization led to World War II. Dorner believes himself to be a victim and consequently feels entitled to murder.

But the real victims are decomposing in their graves.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: dennisprager; obamanation

1 posted on 02/12/2013 4:35:30 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

I would burn the cabin down And light his @ss up when he ran for it


2 posted on 02/12/2013 4:39:16 PM PST by reefdiver
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To: beaversmom

One victim that few are mentioning is officer Michael Crain who was killed while sitting at a red light. Crain was a former Marine and father.

From what I’ve read, Crain was a training officer due to his even temper and ability to spot potential problems with recruits.


3 posted on 02/12/2013 4:42:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: beaversmom

My feelings on the LAPD are directly related to their willingness to take away my 2A rights.

If they, like the NYPD are anti-2A, then I can’t really bring myself to care whether some crackpot lights them up.

meh.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 4:46:16 PM PST by delapaz
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To: cripplecreek
One victim that few are mentioning is officer Michael Crain who was killed while sitting at a red light. Crain was a former Marine and father.

Thank you for pointing that out.

5 posted on 02/12/2013 4:50:43 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Those who support Dorner most likely also support Obama.

I can’t get along with either one.


6 posted on 02/12/2013 4:57:34 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: delapaz

I don’t particularly have a fondness for the LAPD...especially after seeing that truck those two women were in. I’m sure it’s a corrupt political organization. But this man is a murderer. He killed innocents unless we are going to be like Ward Churchill and figure they deserved it.

Reminded of Unforgiven:

The Schofield Kid: [after killing a man for the first time] It don’t seem real... how he ain’t gonna never breathe again, ever... how he’s dead. And the other one too. All on account of pulling a trigger.
Will Munny: It’s a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he’s got and all he’s ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 4:57:50 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Excellent movie.

I disagree with Prager, I don’t find it troubling at all, it should be expected.

the LAPD burned its bridges with the black community long, long ago, and we’re all familiar with that aspect.

But now the LAPD and other local LE communities are burning their bridges with the liberty/freedom loving communities as well as they are all too willing to use any and all means to uphold the wishes of the (liberal) governing class. Drones, stop and frisk, only we get guns, red light cams, you name it, they’ll do it.

If any actual oathkeepers exist things might get really interesting.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 5:07:43 PM PST by delapaz
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To: beaversmom

It’s not all that surprising. Disturbing, yes, but not surprising.

It’s no coincidence that the leftists in this nation are conspicuously silent or subtly applauding when it’s a lefty running around murdering people.

It’s also no coincidence that the left screams bloody murder every time one of their own is in the crosshairs, it’s no surprise that they scream to high heaven about a “culture of violence” and “incitement” when they think a right-winger is responsible.

These are the same people feeding mentally deranged failures like Dorner a constant, 24/7 dose of vitriol and race-hate. Dorner learned from left-wing hatemongers in the media, and left-wing academics and politicians as well, how to blame his every failure, every inconvenience, and every setback on the fictional boogeyman of white racism. When Dorner finally and predictably went off the deep end, the media was right there to glorify his actions and make them seem appealing to any other seething left-wing racists out there waiting to snap.


9 posted on 02/12/2013 5:14:17 PM PST by jameslalor
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To: delapaz

I think the black community has burned its own bridges. They are their own worst enemy and they are so deep in dysfunction and hate and incivility that there’s no hope for them. We saw it in the aftermath of Rodney King, O.J., Katrina and countless other cases, and we are seeing again.

But that’s neither here nor there. The organization may be corrupt, but it doesn’t mean everyone that works there is corrupt and deserves to die.

If those people that Dorner killed deserved it then you and I deserve it too.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 5:18:34 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Yes it is troubling and even more troubling when you realize the President has set up an organization to exploit this type of thing.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 5:19:10 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: beaversmom
And where is the call for gun control in this? It would be hard to use this as a call for gun control as the (probably deceased) Mr. Dorner is a cop and would have access to weapons even in a completely gun controlled society.

As a matter of fact, with his victims piling up, this is an argument against gun control because citizens may need guns in case members of the government blow their stack and start killing police and civilians.

12 posted on 02/12/2013 5:20:01 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: freekitty
Yes it is troubling and even more troubling when you realize the President has set up an organization to exploit this type of thing.

I'd say not just exploiting it, but actively inciting it.

13 posted on 02/12/2013 5:27:29 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: delapaz

I don’t think that the leftist support for Dorner has as much to do with LAPD as is does with the left’s agreement with the evil spewed forth in the manifesto. Frankly if Dorner had killed a random group at starbucks I think you would see the same level of support. The left worships at the alter of depravity.

The things you point out are why many on the right don’t care (or are happy) that he has killed a couple of LAPD cops. There is no support for Dorner but there is no concern for the jackboots either. It is just two enemies fighting each other.


14 posted on 02/12/2013 5:28:18 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: beaversmom

We all deserve it, that’s beside the point. but if they want my sympathy they should be willing to uphold the constitution.

If they aren’t at some point it’s going to be our California brothers who are looking down the business end of their guns and getting their cabins burned down.

And when this happen the media will be on our side right? unlikely.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 5:28:25 PM PST by delapaz
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Exactly.

The enemy of my enemy is, well, probably just another enemy.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 5:31:34 PM PST by delapaz
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To: reefdiver
I would burn the cabin down And light his @ss up when he ran for it

Wow, burn some one else property just because you have an emotional outbreak>?

Support the Costitutiton much do you?

17 posted on 02/12/2013 5:44:01 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Even though this is an allegedly conservative site, there’s not a lot of support for the Constitution here. Hard to figure.

They’re going to burn him alive and everybody will cheer. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

The lying thugs will keep their secrets.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 5:53:39 PM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: ladyjane

Big Bump here.

I can’t believe what I’m reading here.

Next thing I expect is apllauding drone attacks.

*Sigh*


19 posted on 02/12/2013 6:00:47 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: beaversmom

Better said.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 6:10:32 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: beaversmom
Statement: "Support for Dorner Troubling (Dennis Prager)"

Response: No it isn't. Support for a killer publishing a "manifesto," "struggles against the system," and is of the correct race and fights "racism" is an expected response from a people whose political view bases their expressions on emotion. By such a statement Prager reveals either his naivete or a wilfull supression of facts,or a disassembling in the expression of his true beliefs.

21 posted on 02/12/2013 6:12:55 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: beaversmom

22 posted on 02/12/2013 6:16:04 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: delapaz

Well it’s pretty f-ed up in this country when there is nobody to cheer for any more. I just know that I can’t cheer for Dorner like so many are doing.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 6:22:26 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Lets call him Travon Dorner.


24 posted on 02/12/2013 6:23:09 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: beaversmom

Troubling yes, surprising no.


25 posted on 02/12/2013 6:23:17 PM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: beaversmom

In order to cheer for Dorner you would have to throw out all the propaganda from the media and look at it like a big old conspiracy.

Considering the credibility of the media, this is frighteningly easy to do.... but probably not warranted.


26 posted on 02/12/2013 6:41:32 PM PST by delapaz
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To: delapaz

Well this is what leftists like to do. This is part of the plan. To create this chaos. To make it where there are no good guys and bad guys. To muddy the waters so there is no longer truth about anything. I hate these people with a passion what they have done to our country.


27 posted on 02/12/2013 6:46:09 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Stepan12

I notice that many outlets are careful to label him a “cop killer” rather than the equally accurate “killer cop.” They’re working the angles.


28 posted on 02/12/2013 6:51:26 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: jameslalor; beaversmom
It’s also no coincidence that the left screams bloody murder every time one of their own is in the crosshairs, it’s no surprise that they scream to high heaven about a “culture of violence” and “incitement” when they think a right-winger is responsible.

I'm not hearing anything from the MSM regarding "ban guns" and "gun violence" when the focus is on Dorner. With Sandy Hook: yes. With Dorner: No. The gun control lobby is strangely silent.

29 posted on 02/12/2013 6:55:59 PM PST by thecodont
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To: beaversmom
And imagine if the murderer had listed Fox News and conservative talk show hosts as media personalities he admired, as Dorner listed Chris Matthews, Tavis Smiley and Soledad O’Brien, among others, nearly all on the left. Finally, imagine how the media, and perhaps the president himself, would have reacted.

If this killer had been 'right wing' the Southern Poverty Law Center would be putting out "FYI" letters to every police department in the country saying "we told you so". Now? Crickets.

30 posted on 02/12/2013 7:03:21 PM PST by GOPJ ( Illegal immigrants: violent boorish party crashers. Send them home, call police - make them leave.)
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To: beaversmom
whats not to love, he is one of Holders people and could have been like a son to Obama...(does this need a sarcasm note.
31 posted on 02/13/2013 2:24:08 AM PST by goat granny
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