Posted on 02/12/2013 4:44:58 PM PST by Kevmo
AGEFI Geneva: Chauvin/LENR-Cars presented. Funded by the founder of Logitech
Thread: AGEFI Geneva: Chauvin/LENR-Cars presented. Funded by the founder of Logitech
05-02-2013, 21:29#1
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AGEFI Geneva: Chauvin/LENR-Cars presented. Funded by the founder of Logitech
an incredibly positive (in french) article in the AGEFI, 'the dayly newpaper of economic and financial agency in Geneva' : http://www.agefi.com/une/detail/arch...ectriques.html (in googlish)
http://www.agefi.com/une/detail/archive/2013/february/artikel/lenr-cars-la-start-up-lausannoise-developpe-une-nouvelle-generation-de-moteurs-electriques.html (version francaise de cet article)
Applied nuclear fusion Lenr cars.The start-up develops Lausanne a new generation of electric motors.
"The technology we are developing will allow a car to travel 40,000 kilometers on a single tank of fuel without generating any waste." This ambitious project comes from Nicolas Chauvin, founder and CEO of startup LENR Cars, based at the EPFL (Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale). To meet this challenge, this Logitech and NASA former engineer, uses a technology called nuclear fusion LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions).
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To date, the prototype is being developed. Its final version should be released in 2014. Funded initially by private funds, including those of its creator, the company can also count on the support of the founder of Logitech , Daniel Borel. "He was immediately fascinated by the project. His many contacts we are also very valuable. "However, the company seeking additional funds. "We are not looking for significant funding for now. 200,000 francs (swiss franc) allow us to continue the development of our prototype. "LENR Cars is currently in talks with several automakers, including PSA (Peugeot-Citroen) and Telsa groups. Though the start-up is only on the development of this specific segment of the market can change quickly. "This is a risky area or can go very fast. It is likely that within five years the energy giants are involved significantly in this revolutionary technology. " Many scientists and journalists are indeed of the opinion that LENR technology represents one of the greatest discovery of mankind. "The problem is that the huge economic stakes and the pressure of oil and nuclear industries likely to jeopardize this new breakthrough."
in the body of the article, there is an attack of the oil lobby, even if lobbies in my opinion is not needed to explain that tragedy. Dysfunctional ego of physicists, coupled with technical problems preventing a rapid industrial success killed this research area... That physicists are less proud, or that cold fusion would be usable in 1993, all would have been accepted without worries.
The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List
http://www.agefi.com/une/detail/archive/2013/february/artikel/lenr-cars-la-start-up-lausannoise-developpe-une-nouvelle-generation-de-moteurs-electriques.html (version francaise de cet article)
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles
Interesting ~ they still have this problem with the mafia ~ they don’t want any competition with their windmills.
But when it hits kilometer 40,001 - hoo boy! Somebody light a match!
What a complete load of crap. I predict the 200,000 SFr will disappear with no results (AKA “The Rossi Effect”).
"The problem is that the huge economic stakes and the pressure of oil and nuclear industries likely to jeopardize this new breakthrough."
You accuse the former founder of Logitech of Fraud? Got any evidence for it?
So... someone tilting at the Mafia’s windmills and decrying their lack of honor would no doubt be called Quixotic. Like the Chinese say, may you live in interesting times....
Where did I say he was committing fraud? I said that I predict that the money invested will go “poof” without a product being produced. Regardless of whether or not the founders intend fraud, there is no science behind this project, and consequently there will be no end product. It’s pseudoscientific crap, just like Rossi’s e-Cat.
there is no science behind this project,
***Then address the science. The Anomolous Heat Effect has been replicated more than 180 times per National Instruments, who certainly have nothing to gain by sticking their neck out. Do you accept the observations?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19
“The Rossi Effect”
Mystery factories in mystery locations producing mystery products for mystery customers that will certainly be on the market soon even if not one has been produced.
The electric car people should love the Rossi-Cold Fusion-Lenr-2X-Non Nuclear Hot Water and Steam engines in their cars.
Interviews given, papers are written, denials, assertions, secret this, confidential that....but never anything to show for the promised deliveries.
“You accuse the former founder of Logitech of Fraud? “
No, stupidity and running a con game.
By the way, do you get a commission for pitching for funds for your beloved fusion scams?
I met Chauvin at the E-Cat conference in Zurich last September. I didn’t know he worked for Logitech, but there seems to be some confusion here: he’s not the Logitech founder, he’s just a former employee. The founder may be putting some money into the effort, but it’s Chauvin who’s leading it.
Chauvin is a young entrepreneur who’s trying to figure out how to base an automobile on a new heat source, E-Cat. That’s what E-Cat is — fundamentally, it’s a heat source. The characteristics of E-Cat are a moving target, however. Before the September E-Cat conference, E-Cat was only a source of low-grade heat, OK for water heating and space heating, but not a good heat source for an engine. At the conference, Rossi announced the new Hot Cat, which reportedly can produce heat at a temperature suitable for steam engines and Sterling engines.
Chauvin is following the moving target of E-Cat practicality, and working on the best way to get E-Cat energy to turn the wheels of an automobile. If E-Cat actually works, he will have developed the knowledge and contacts to design and build an E-Cat car. If E-Cat doesn’t work, he’ll have to find another project.
Should be a cinch to work in place like, ah, Texas or Death Valley.
After his credibility is ruined his next project will involve the phrase, "do you want fries with that?"
“”The problem is that the huge economic stakes and the pressure of oil and nuclear industries likely to jeopardize this new breakthrough.””
This seems to be a common excuse for energy schemes that don’t work.
running a con game.
***That IS fraud. I gather there’s plenty of stupidity on your part. Feel free to PROVE fraud. I know, I know, you won’t do it. That’s how things work with you guys.
By the way, do you get a commission for pitching for funds for your beloved fusion scams?
***No. Do you get a commission for all the hot-fusion funds you’ve secured, and all the careers you’ve participated in ruining?
thanks for bumping the thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19
I check the breathless announcements of progress on E-cat web sites regularly.
***I don’t. When was the last time I posted any article focusing on Rossi? Yet you guys consistently harangue me for it. You are far more focused on that guy than I am.
thanks for bumping the thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19
he’s not the Logitech founder, he’s just a former employee.
***Thanks for the update/correction.
If E-Cat doesn’t work, he’ll have to find another project.
***I wish him the best but he should start looking for something else now. Let’s assume there’s a breakthrough in LENR by June this year. By June of next year there will be $hundreds of billions focused on generating a LENR car. Starting with Stirling steam engines and moving forward to better stuff. He’s already out of his league.
Oh, I don't know...When was the last time you called the non-believers “seagulls”.
Look...For all the experiments and papers there is still no good reason to think any practical application is possible.
If it were just a matter of producing excess heat there would be no problem, mix the ingredients, pump water past it and bingo! Cheap space heating!
Anyone doing that? NASA, MIT, auto companies? No and none in sight, for a good reason.
Oh, I don’t know...
***Ya got nuthin’
thanks for bumping the thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19
“To date, the prototype is being developed. Its final version should be released in 2014”
Whatda ya mean “nuthin’”? Why...Next year we’ll all have the nuclear fusion powered car. 40,000 km. on a tank of some kind of fuel, “green” fuel since there’s no waste.
No one has produced so much as a single workable water heater but next year “Le Car Nuclear”, final version, will be released!
That should be plenty of time to work the excuses for why it doesn’t happen. Maybe 2015, 16 or more likely, never.
If the fuel pack on a newly purchased vehicle actually did provide that much evergy over an extended period of time, we would likely see the marketing of the concept of the "disposable vehicle."
40,000 kilometers is about 25,000 miles. That isn't a lot of driving for many people but OTOH people like me that only drive five to six thousand miles per year could be a customer for such a vehicle. Drive it for four or five years, then trade it for a new model.
Your used vehicle then either gets refurbished, re-fueled and sold as a rebuilt car or it is scrapped and recycled for materials to make new vehicles.
Whatda ya mean “nuthin’”?
***I mean, nothing — as in, what you contribute.
thanks for bumping the thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19
Rather than a disposable vehicle, I think it will be like a core charge for a battery. You turn in the old one and buy a new one, and the store recharges/refurbishes or disposes of the old LENR heat pump. It’s like getting 25k miles on a tank of gas. Refilling stations will be fewer and farther between.
Make lead box about the size of a bread box. Loop pipe in box.
Attach water tank on one end.
Attach boiler on other end.
Place steam driven generator between boiler and return.
Place a fist sized amount of Palladium or Thorium in bread box.
Attach contraption to any electric car.
Now you can drive it for 16 billion miles or 150,000 years.
I can develop this and have it ready by next month, but I will need capital.
My pin, your balloon. It’s enough. Now about those cars...
Head out on the h$ghway
Lookin for inve$tor$
Who'll believe what'vr we say
Ooh baby gonna talk it happen
Take the funds in a love embrace
Run all of our mouths at once and
Play around and get paid
Like-a true conjob smile
We were born, born to this guile
We can drive so high
We'll never...run out of li-ii-es.
Born_ to_ this_ guile. (repeat)
Dealerships will soon be available. Get in early while you can.
I would, but it would contribute nothing to this thread.
it’ll still be much better spent than if he’d invested in a major daily newspaper or a serious monthly magazine.
So, the guy who founded Logitec is, by your way of thinking, engaging in fraud?
One proposal was to provide diamond films around candybars so they could have almost unlimited shelf-life.
Along the way someone came up with the idea of welding small, cheap diamonds, into large, not so cheap, but not outrageously expensive diamonds.
That right there almost wiped out the industrial diamond producers, then the Russians showed up with this black diamond material that is harder than diamond.
I still remember the principals in the diamond racket telling us these 'fake diamonds' would never be an adequate substitute for 'the real thing' ~ more recently they've demanded that all welded diamond products have a serial number cut into them by a laser.
Still, from the viewpoint of the customers a big diamond on your girlfriend's finger does what it's supposed to do, and you're happy and she's happy.
The use of the phenomenon underlying LENR is like that ~ if it provides anomalous heat, the market place will use it anyway and be happy provided it doesn't slag out and burn down the block.
LENR might well be THE ONLY THING by June ~ simply because Obama has wiped out all of our research into space or fusion.
Get ready for another flood of highly trained physicists with nothing to do ~ and they can't all turn into day traders.
What I see is the creation o a standard power pak ~ you guy it seperately from everything else and have it installed. otherwise it looks like the same old automobile.
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