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Is DHS Ammo For Obama's "National Security Force"?
Investor's Business Daily ^ | February 12, 2013 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 02/12/2013 5:18:39 PM PST by raptor22

Gun Control: Our future president in 2008 called for "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military. Should the "bitter-clingers" be worried?

As Andrew Malcolm has noted on these pages, the Department of Homeland Security has been buying lots of ammo, enough by one calculation to fight the equivalent of a 24-year Iraqi War. Some have speculated about a link between the stockpiling between candidate Obama's off-prompter campaign remarks about a national security force and the stockpiling by DHS of more than 1.6 billion (with a 'b') bullets.

DHS has been buying more than bullets. As we noted in a recent editorial, DHS is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO "personal defense weapons" (PDW) — also known as "assault weapons" when owned by civilians. The request, issued on June 7, 2012, calls these AR-15 variants "select-fire" weapons, meaning they can be both semi-automatic and automatic.

Additionally, DHS is asking for 30 round magazines that "have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds."

To what purpose is a civilian agency arming itself to the teeth at the same time the administration has been making war on the Second Amendment and pushing for stricter gun control measures such as universal background checks, while others, such as New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, hint at outright confiscation?

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1 posted on 02/12/2013 5:18:51 PM PST by raptor22
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To: raptor22

no for the lapd for remedial gun training


2 posted on 02/12/2013 5:19:40 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: raptor22

Civilian army.


3 posted on 02/12/2013 5:20:32 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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4 posted on 02/12/2013 5:21:32 PM PST by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: raptor22

While we should be aware of what the DHS is doing, one explanation I’ve read that makes a lot of sense is that somebody is simply making a ton of cash from buying all these bullets.

By buying the bullets straight from the manufacturer, they are getting a huge discout. Then they are turning around and re-selling them to the government agencies at a huge markup.

I don’t know who that person is, but that may be what they are doing.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 5:22:47 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: raptor22

Just bc you have the latest toys doesn’t mean you win. Without the mindset and training you’ll get you rear-end handed to you and toys taken.


6 posted on 02/12/2013 5:23:32 PM PST by 556x45
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To: raptor22

i would suggest ammo manufacturers follow suit of gun makers and gun sellers and refuse to sell to every level of law enforcement ad the military, until the assault on the 2nd amendment is stopped dead.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 5:23:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: raptor22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

I wonder how many times 0bama will refer to union-related jobs tonight such as 'roads, bridges, highways, high-speed rail, education, teachers, police, fire, etc'?????? More times than he says the word "I"???? We shall see.

8 posted on 02/12/2013 5:25:22 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: raptor22

It would be a dream if they all wore blue helmets.


9 posted on 02/12/2013 5:26:59 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: raptor22

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


10 posted on 02/12/2013 5:27:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: al baby

Don’t forget the NYPD a few months ago.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 5:28:02 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: raptor22

Anyone know where all these munitions are stored?


12 posted on 02/12/2013 5:28:23 PM PST by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: 556x45
Without the mindset and training you’ll get you rear-end handed to you and toys taken.

I don't think the average liberal has what it takes to stay in a fight. They'll be happy with marching, flashy uniforms and catchy slogans. When it gets up close and personal with a pissed off patriot they'll wilt.

13 posted on 02/12/2013 5:29:30 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: raptor22

I’m surprised IBD would fall for this. If you do the math it works out to be about two boxes of shells a month for everybody in the DHS who is issued a gun.


14 posted on 02/12/2013 5:29:54 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Jonty30

Or perhaps causing a massive shortage of ammo so civilians can’t get it. Some of these gov’t orders are multi-year orders.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 5:30:24 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: raptor22

I’ll take civilian national security force for $500 Alex.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 5:32:41 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: raptor22

It is time to mustard a legitimate militia.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 5:33:00 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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18 posted on 02/12/2013 5:34:23 PM PST by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: 556x45

“Just bc you have the latest toys doesn’t mean you win. Without the mindset and training you’ll get you rear-end handed to you and toys taken.”

Here’s my fear. The Tyrant is trying to wind down the wars and at the same time cut back on the military. But I think that it’s a ploy.
The employment situation, as you know, sucks. With all of these people being released from the military there aren’t going to be any jobs for them.

This is where the Tyrant announces that he’s going to hire all of these ex-military to become his new civilian defense force.

Think about it, they’re already trained and it’s obvious that the Tyrant and his minions are stockpiling supplies and equipment but for what purpose?

That’s just my 2 cents but I think that’s what’s coming down the pike.


19 posted on 02/12/2013 5:34:35 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Excuse me. I’ve been eating too much sausage with mustard. The correct spelling is muster.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 5:34:39 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: raptor22

Obama’s SS


21 posted on 02/12/2013 5:36:06 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: raptor22
To what purpose is a civilian agency arming itself to the teeth at the same time the administration has been making war on the Second Amendment and pushing for stricter gun control measures such as universal background checks, while others, such as New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, hint at outright confiscation?

A possible purpose: suppression and slaughter of those who voice opposition to the regime once it completes its ongoing coup d'etat against The People.
22 posted on 02/12/2013 5:36:28 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Jonty30

DHS is buying at a discount from mfgers then reselling the ammo to other gov agencies at a profit???

eh?


23 posted on 02/12/2013 5:38:03 PM PST by Principled
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To: Principled

Just somebody is buying that ammo, and then reselling it.


24 posted on 02/12/2013 5:39:49 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: 556x45

Just bc you have the latest toys doesn’t mean you win. Without the mindset and training you’ll get you rear-end handed to you and toys taken....

LOL
Reminds me of the saying “Old age and treachery Always overcomes youth and skill Ain’t too much that we won’t do”


25 posted on 02/12/2013 5:41:01 PM PST by Hang'emAll (If guns kill people do pencils make spelling errors.)
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To: tbpiper

Yeah, I agree with you. I was at a gun show Sunday and saw a bunch of o-bummer looking types fondling firearms.

None of them displayed any knowledge of firearms. They would pick up a gun with fingers on triggers, muzzle sweep everyone around and then muzzle their own face with their finger on the trigger.

We’re safe, they’ll shoot themselves. In the face!!!


26 posted on 02/12/2013 5:41:54 PM PST by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: Jonty30

I thought these contracts for the ammo were via DHS itself. Is it someone else buying them?


27 posted on 02/12/2013 5:42:15 PM PST by Principled
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To: Principled

I don’t know anything for certain. Nobody does, because we have a complicit media.


28 posted on 02/12/2013 5:44:06 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: raptor22

I suspect some of that ammo went to Syria along with the guns Amb. Chris Stevens was running for Obama.


29 posted on 02/12/2013 5:44:38 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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30 posted on 02/12/2013 5:44:38 PM PST by raptor22 (Visit my blog at True Conservatives on Twitter: http://t.co/IKpP3cwq)
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To: Stormdog

That’s just my 2 cents but I think that’s what’s coming down the pike.

Sounds plausible.


31 posted on 02/12/2013 5:45:21 PM PST by Hang'emAll (If guns kill people do pencils make spelling errors.)
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To: Jonty30

“While we should be aware of what the DHS is doing, one explanation I’ve read that makes a lot of sense is that somebody is simply making a ton of cash from buying all these bullets.

By buying the bullets straight from the manufacturer, they are getting a huge discout. Then they are turning around and re-selling them to the government agencies at a huge markup.

I don’t know who that person is, but that may be what they are doing.”

If D.H.S. is buying all of this ammunition I don’t see why they wouldn’t plan on Using it.Unless they had something else in mind.Like getting all of that ammo off the market by making it Prohibitively expensive.

If they are doing this that indicates that this administration is up to no good.Keep your eyes open Folks.


32 posted on 02/12/2013 5:46:20 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: raptor22

Consider another angle. Through executive order or other action Obama intends to make it very difficult or expense to acquire ammunition. That would partially explain the purchases and stockpiles. The firms go out of business and the only ones who have ammunition is the government.


33 posted on 02/12/2013 5:46:52 PM PST by georgiarat (Obama, providing incompetence since Day One!!)
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To: georgiarat

Went to walmart today.

Their normally full ammo cabinet was bare.

The guy had no idea when there would be more. He also said it’s false that walmart stopped ordering ammo.


34 posted on 02/12/2013 5:53:28 PM PST by bicyclerepair (Zombies Eat Brains. Half of FL is safe.)
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To: raptor22; Travis McGee; Jack Black

Heads up!


35 posted on 02/12/2013 5:55:41 PM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: raptor22
Most of the ammo is for 40 caliber MP5 machine guns.

That means they're preparing for SWAT-like dynamic entries.

Machine guns are useless at 100 yards.

Good thing the peasants don't have accurate rifles.

36 posted on 02/12/2013 6:01:50 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: bicyclerepair
He also said it’s false that walmart stopped ordering ammo.

Yeah, well, one thing they've done that's pissed me off is remove rifle and pistol ammo from their web site.

A couple of days ago you could go and find what local store had particular ammo (if so) - but now they removed the links to rifle and pistol ammo.

And yes, I've done my web site comment and corporate email thing. Probably some Lib webmaster doing it on his own hook.

37 posted on 02/12/2013 6:03:40 PM PST by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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To: davetex
We’re safe, they’ll shoot themselves. In the face!!!

Good. It'll save my ammo.

38 posted on 02/12/2013 6:07:26 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: raptor22

Thanks for the ping.


39 posted on 02/12/2013 6:12:04 PM PST by GOPJ ( Illegal immigrants: violent boorish party crashers. Send them home, call police - make them leave.)
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To: raptor22

Moving to the Black Hills very soon in South Dakota.

I’ve had enough of California, comradefornia, commiefornia. need time to actually have a little freedom, to work with folks in that state who I know already have plans and a better legislature than sinking California. I tried to hold it together the last ten years but it’s impossible. I’m tired of living behind the lines, the hatred towards Christians, the love of homosexuality, the love of the EPA rules and taxes and their dagumed dope and so much more.

They can have their leaders, or alleged leaders. They HAVE to do all Obama says because the cities and counties are all going bankrupts and the thin blue line now has so many holes Mexican drug cartels and illegals have the run of many streets after dark.

Yes, South Dakota. I’d go for Texas but I like the colder climates and even more rural than where I live. And they’re trying to take our weapons when all the above is even more despairing unless you live out here and see it.
Now out here, it’s still nice but gas, food, lodging, everything is going up and doctors are even planning their escapes.

Please pray for America, for those true American’s stuck behind the lines with their children propagandized similar to the Hamas Minnnie mouse, ...I just can’t take it anymore and I have a real bad feeling California might be the beginning of a real class/race war. Obama is fanning the flames and there’s too much division. I was young during Watts, saw Bobby Seale and those cronies in Oaklans in 67 or so, barely lived through the horrors of the Rodney King riots9 i worked in Norwalk as a nurse and taught Korean martial arts and was forced to work and defend the studio and worked OT as a nurse, that showed anyone with any sense, it was just the tip of the hatred and the next time it was nearly promised to be more deadly so I moved North.

Now, a short reprieve, but enough of a breather to realize if FLY-Einstein can just ignore her conservative and be voted in by not debating; Californian’s just blindly voted for her, voted down meg what’s-her name, voted in fifty nasty folks including Pelosi, gavin newsome, Moonbeam, Boxer, Waters, voted for taxation and weirdly worded propositions...no mas, NO MAS!!!

This is just not the California i loved so much in the late fifties and sixties, a bit of the 70’s but then I guess I lied to myself thinking things would get better. Well, they haven’t. So I will sing” Cry for me California,” as I drive EAST into the rising sun about a year from now. I do hope they let me in that beautiful state.
I need to make good friends and figure out how to move out there.

Anyone have notes or ideas on moving and living in South Dakota, please let me know. I’ll need only a small cabin, or studio with a fireplace and garage, i want to work full time and have a small pension. Thanks for reading.


40 posted on 02/12/2013 6:13:45 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Ramius
If you do the math it works out to be about two boxes of shells a month for everybody in the DHS who is issued a gun.

One point six billion cartridges? What calculations bring you to a couple boxes each?

41 posted on 02/12/2013 6:23:44 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Jonty30

Homeland Security’s not reselling ammo to anyone. Who would they ‘resell’ to anyhow? A foreign country? The Sauds? Social Security’s also making large buys.

Too bad we don’t have a free press or they could ask and investigate and find out. If a Republican President5 was setting up a personal army the press would care... Hey New York Times, I’m talkin’ about you.


42 posted on 02/12/2013 6:25:21 PM PST by GOPJ ( Illegal immigrants: violent boorish party crashers. Send them home, call police - make them leave.)
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To: GOPJ

I didn’t say the DHS was buying it at a discount, to resell it. I said somebody was buying it at a discount and selling it at a generous markup.

Who is the DHS buying these bullets from?


43 posted on 02/12/2013 6:27:26 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: 556x45

Zactly....and it would be an immense pleasure to do exactly that.....


44 posted on 02/12/2013 6:29:53 PM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: ConservativeInPA
Excuse me. I’ve been eating too much sausage with mustard. The correct spelling is muster.

"Seasoned troops" are those who have been mustered by their officers and assaulted and peppered by the enemy.

Sorry, I couldn't resist it.

45 posted on 02/12/2013 6:36:26 PM PST by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: Jonty30; Principled
Just somebody is buying that ammo, and then reselling it.

These orders started as Government Purchasing RFQ's that were negotiated finally becoming long range PO's.

This ammo is being sold to the government not just some guy. The RFQ's were specific by agency and then broken down into the various rounds required. Also noted that very little of it was target ammo.

Here is an example from the Social Security Administration:

SSA RFQ

46 posted on 02/12/2013 6:41:26 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: raptor22

to shoot to kill any and all Americans


47 posted on 02/12/2013 6:53:26 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: raptor22

Would you like brown shirts of black shirts with those bullets?

/S/


48 posted on 02/12/2013 7:01:10 PM PST by ripley
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To: Jonty30
Who is the DHS buying these bullets from?

DHS Purchase of 450 Million Rounds

In March of 2012 the Department of Homeland Security had an order filled by ATK of Minnesota to provide 450 million rounds of .40 caliber bullets.

Purchased from ATK

If one was really interested the information is all over the Internet.

49 posted on 02/12/2013 7:03:19 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: raptor22

The Border Patrol is just one agency among many in DHS and it uses nearly 20 million rounds a year just on basic qualifications.

Over a ten year period that would be almost have of the 450 million DHS order.

To me this is somewhat of a non issue. The more important development is the creation of the Office Diversity and Civil Rights under CBP.


50 posted on 02/12/2013 7:35:21 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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