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Greeks strip country for scrap cash
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/377030/Greeks-strip-country-for-scrap-cash ^ | February 11, 2013

Posted on 02/12/2013 7:27:10 PM PST by dennisw

Greece has been hit by an unprecedented wave of metal thefts as its recession-hit people turn to crime.

Train lines, bridges, cables and even cemeteries have all been targeted for scrap to feed a market driven by China and India.

Police now arrest an average of four metal thieves every day, compared to a few cases every month before the crisis started in late 2009. The profile of the metal thief is also changing, authorities say, from gypsies and immigrants living on the margins of society to mainstream Greeks who have fallen on hard times.

Roadside crash barriers, storm-drain covers, heavy factory doors, as well as mining equipment, irrigation machinery and even cemetery planters made of metal have all gone missing in and around Thessaloniki, the country's second largest city, amid concerns that previously law-abiding Greeks are turning to crime in growing numbers.

In northern Greece, rogue merchants have an additional advantage: An 800-mile border with four countries that makes it easier for them to dodge stepped-up police checks on local scrap yards.

Police near the frontier with Turkey last month arrested 18- and 19-year-old suspects accused for stripping nearly 1,000 feet of cable from street lights, blacking out a stretch of newly built road that runs across northern Greece.

Recent inspections also turned up more stolen cable on a passenger bus headed to Albania, along with a cache of candle holders, snatched from graveyards and loaded onto small trucks, that were stopped and searched at the Greek-Bulgarian border.

(Excerpt) Read more at express.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 02/12/2013 7:27:12 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Our grim future.


2 posted on 02/12/2013 7:31:08 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: dennisw

How’s that socialism and equality working there?


3 posted on 02/12/2013 7:32:16 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Viennacon

Forward!


4 posted on 02/12/2013 7:32:48 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob

The Portuguese Communist Party publishes the weekly Avante! (Forward!)


5 posted on 02/12/2013 7:34:22 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Viennacon

Future? We’ve had an epidemic of metal bandits for the past few years.


6 posted on 02/12/2013 7:37:50 PM PST by wideawake
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To: dennisw

These ‘metal’ crimes pass under the radar here. For now. My ‘Significant Otter’ works in construction. He says building sites, new housing divisions (few), etc. are locked down like never before because of this and he’s been in the biz 25+ years now.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 7:38:06 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: dennisw

Broken Window Theory says Greece should be Utopia

and Syria should be a superpower soon


8 posted on 02/12/2013 7:39:52 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Viennacon

It is happening here now. Down on their luck men are taking anything they can steal.


9 posted on 02/12/2013 7:39:56 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Viennacon

You mean our grim present. Copper thieves are rampant throughout Texas, breaking into abandoned homes or any abandoned building to strip copper, plumbing fixtures, and anything of value. It’s getting to be a problem.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 7:40:13 PM PST by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

heh heh She said ‘Significant Otter’ .


11 posted on 02/12/2013 7:40:26 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: BipolarBob
heh heh She said ‘Significant Otter’ .


12 posted on 02/12/2013 7:43:17 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dennisw

Gee. The ultimate end-point of socialism: society collapses.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 7:43:19 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: BipolarBob

*SNORT* It feels dumb to call someone your ‘Boyfriend’ when we’re both in our 50’s, LOL!

I guess ‘S.O.’ sounds dumb too, LOL!

What am I SUPPOSED to call him? I’ve never been in this particular situation before. *Scratches Head*


14 posted on 02/12/2013 7:45:07 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: dennisw

Starting to sound like they are not improving. lol.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 7:47:26 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dennisw

They were better off when the military junta was running the country.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 7:48:26 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

honey?

or the Korean variant “deng shin”

lol


17 posted on 02/12/2013 7:51:29 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I have heard the term “manfriend” being used. Cumbersome but accurate.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 7:52:39 PM PST by Bryan
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To: Viennacon
Our grim future.

In a Mad Max economy people will be bartering with stolen bronze plaques....Greece is moving in this direction

19 posted on 02/12/2013 7:53:18 PM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

And that though Wisconsin is a generally honest state. Boring honest sober population compared to many other parts of America. (maybe skip the sober)


20 posted on 02/12/2013 7:56:56 PM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: dennisw

Society eventually reflects its leaders. If the leaders were criminal, the people eventually become what their leaders are and were.


21 posted on 02/12/2013 8:03:17 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: dennisw

That cant happen here because, well, we’re special. /sarc


22 posted on 02/12/2013 8:05:57 PM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: dennisw; Viennacon

This has been going on in the US for four years; the Greeks are slow on the uptake.

You can’t turn in any scrap metal without leaving a finger print, driver license copy.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 8:15:19 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I read in the paper last week that several intersections in Vallejo had no signals working because the wires were stolen out of the conduits.


24 posted on 02/12/2013 8:19:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dennisw

I live in a new sub-division just completed construction. Our house was one of the first on the block, and we witnessed trucks coming by after all the workers had gone home and taking materials from partially finished homes.

I have seen foreclosed houses stripped of everything removable by their broke owners before moving out.

We are on a speeding train going 100 mph through the dark tunnel and at the other end is Greece. Buy guns. Might save your stuff and even your life.


25 posted on 02/12/2013 8:21:20 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: dennisw

>> “And that though Wisconsin is a generally honest state. Boring honest sober population compared to many other parts of America” <<

.
You’ve never been to Madison?


26 posted on 02/12/2013 8:21:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: batterycommander

“Copper thieves are rampant throughout Texas”

In the LA area, copper thieves stole some grounding cables from an electric power sub-station (successfully; they did not die). The utility required replacement of those ground cables for safety. So the sub-station was shut down; traffic signals stopped; traffic accidents occurred; all due to the salvage/recycle (low) value of some copper cable.

Citizens’ lives were put at risk from these %%##@@%% copper thieves.

Other “copper harvesters” have been fried while “finding” copper.


27 posted on 02/12/2013 8:25:13 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Viennacon

Come to NC and see this. You don’t need to go way over to Greece. They’ve been stealing whole Central Air units, copper gutters and man hole covers here, for years.


28 posted on 02/12/2013 8:53:00 PM PST by drs1969
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To: Viennacon
Our grim future.

Not the future. It's already happening in a big way. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't scrap metal our leading export to China? Much of this coming from good, usable machines that have no value here but as scrap because there is nothing to use them for.

29 posted on 02/12/2013 9:06:50 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: dennisw

I call it infrastructure cannibalism


30 posted on 02/12/2013 9:19:23 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: Viennacon

Read VDH, it’s our present...


31 posted on 02/12/2013 9:34:52 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This is the perfect example of the the decline of a civilization. The poor start looting the abandoned sites of the former country. Next comes the makers trying to defend their property from the barbarians. Then comes local warlords who can protect what’s left. This has been repeated over thousands of years.


32 posted on 02/12/2013 9:35:16 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: dennisw

It sounds like locusts are eating up the countryside!


33 posted on 02/12/2013 9:36:06 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: drs1969

The A/C units just kill me. They steal $20 of copper and do $10,000 of damage. I’ve actually suggested taping a $20 in a plastic envelope to A/C units.


34 posted on 02/12/2013 10:22:03 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: wideawake; batterycommander; VanShuyten

Civilizations advance then revert to barbarism. Instead of raw materials being used by craftsmen to make valuable products like buildings and railroads, we now see scavengers reducing sophisticated products back into raw materials by having copper drain pipes or grandma’s gold jewelry melted down.

It’s the same process that occurred in Rome in the wake of their empire. The Colosseum and Forum were dismantled by the locals to make crude stone shelters to live in.


35 posted on 02/12/2013 11:29:52 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: no-to-illegals

You got it backwards....


36 posted on 02/12/2013 11:44:17 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: no-to-illegals

You got it backwards....


37 posted on 02/12/2013 11:44:17 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: dennisw

This has been happening in Detroit for years.


38 posted on 02/13/2013 2:03:03 AM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: The Antiyuppie
I’ve actually suggested taping a $20 in a plastic envelope to A/C units.

Save your money. They will take the $20 and still rip out the copper.

Around here, any scrap metal you put out for trash pickup will be gone within hours, long before the trash trucks come by.

39 posted on 02/13/2013 2:22:09 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

Copper is not “low value” in the scrap world. why do you think they are taking it? it’s worth more than most metals.

For some copper wire I am paying over 1 dollar a foot for.

I get a buck or so a pound for my scrap copper. And yes, I need ID and have to explain why I am cashing in my box of scrap wire every few weeks.

(I am a low voltage electrician)


40 posted on 02/13/2013 2:26:35 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: dennisw

I find this very hard to believe. After all, the utopian statists were telling us a mere 20 years ago that Greece was the ideal socialist state.


41 posted on 02/13/2013 9:00:35 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: dennisw

Sounds like Greece is becoming a lot like Detroit....


42 posted on 02/13/2013 9:07:13 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Kozak
Could you explain?
43 posted on 02/16/2013 1:32:50 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Kozak
To be precise, I do understand your point though when this nation was first settled and a representative form of government was instituted and the Founders formed a Republic after having defeated the British, my thoughts vary in significant understanding of the time at our beginning where good people sent good leaders to perform miracles through the grace of God. Don't think I'm wrong when viewed from the perspective of History of two hundred and fifty plus years ago. Of course as History has progressed one might surmise our nation has taken paths which have been less than what the Founders intended or paths which were intended by God and God's miracle of America. If yours is a different perspective, would love to view your opinion.
44 posted on 02/16/2013 3:35:32 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Viennacon; All
Our grim future.

Thayrone-X, 1600 am talker here in SE Michigan was talking about Detroit yesterday.

It is not lit at night because the thiefs are going after the lighting infrastructure mainly street lights and note, this is a city own and operated operation if my memory is correct. To the point one guy recently electrocuted himself doing it....

45 posted on 02/16/2013 3:43:00 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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