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Pope resigns: Peter Turkson reveals vision for the Church and 'alternative lifestyles'
The Telegraph ^ | 2-12-2013 | Malcolm Moore

Posted on 02/12/2013 8:44:53 PM PST by plain talk

Cardinal Peter Turkson, a 64-year-old Ghanaian prelate, is the bookmaker's early favourite to succeed Pope Benedict XVI. He told The Daily Telegraph Tuesday that his biggest challenge, should he be elected, would be to maintain an orthodox Catholic doctrine while "at the same time knowing how to apply it so that you do not become irrelevant in a world that has continuous changes".

Cardinal Turkson, who holds one of the most important jobs in the Roman Curia and has been repeatedly promoted by Pope Benedict, was quick to take a conservative line on gay marriage and other "alternative lifestyles".

"We need to find ways of dealing with the challenges coming up from society and culture," he said, adding that the Church needed to "evangelise", or convert, those who had embraced "alternative lifestyles, trends or gender issues". He added: "We cannot fail in our task of providing guidance."

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He also said ".

"It is going to be a life-changing experience and I think that is what it has been for Benedict and those who have gone before us. The challenge will also be with the individual to want to make his mark, not trying to fit into anybody's shoes but finding his own shoes to wear."

sounds very presumptous. In fact I can't ever recall a Cardinal speaking so publicly about the possibility of them becoming Pope ... particularly in this manner.

1 posted on 02/12/2013 8:44:59 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk

Do they really want to choose a man named Peter from Romana? It would be like begging Malachy to be correct.


2 posted on 02/12/2013 8:52:12 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Ingtar

There is a plan. And it will play out.

The strangest thing about it is why doesn’t everyone see it?


3 posted on 02/12/2013 9:00:01 PM PST by DManA
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To: plain talk

Self promotion? Self nomination?

Not a good sign.

Not a welcome characteristic.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 9:04:35 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: plain talk

If the next pope is against gay marriage, or disagrees with the U.N. in any way, he will be hounded until he resigns. Because after all, now we know, popes can resign for anything.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 9:06:01 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Ingtar

Perhaps we are living in the End Times.


6 posted on 02/12/2013 9:06:37 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: plain talk; All

I don’t know but it’s important to keep in mind he’s African so even if he’s speaking in english, it may not exactly ‘translate.’ Still may be presumptuous though.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 9:10:52 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: G Larry

Self promotion is usually self-defeating.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 9:11:49 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: plain talk

Such a humble man.....


9 posted on 02/12/2013 9:18:59 PM PST by O6ret
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To: plain talk

There is a saying that he who goes into a conclave a Pope comes out a Cardinal.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 9:21:52 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: plain talk

Last pope = antipope?


11 posted on 02/12/2013 9:25:15 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Ingtar

Cardinal Peter of the Roman Curia...

Here’s hoping the old adage holds true: “He who walks into the conclave a Pope, walks out as a Cardinal”...


12 posted on 02/12/2013 9:28:29 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Rockingham

Argh, ya beat me!


13 posted on 02/12/2013 9:32:43 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: plain talk

Da Popizzle In Da Hizzle!!!


14 posted on 02/12/2013 9:39:53 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: Ingtar

Oh gawd, I didn’t notice Cardinal Turkson was a Pete until now. Need to read up on the guy.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 9:41:54 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: plain talk
I liked this part, so OK with me if the Holy Spirit choses this man as our next Pope...

Cardinal Turkson has caused controversy in the past both by screening a video claiming that Europe faced being overrun by Muslims and by insisting that condoms were not the solution to preventing HIV.

It never ceases to amaze me how the hand wringing left insist that the Church should endorse condoms to stop AIDS...but don't seem to get the logical disconnect that the people contracting AIDS are already living lives discordant with Christian and Catholic teaching...i.e. having promiscuous sexual relations with multiple partners...so why would they pay heed to what the Church had to say about condoms?...no they don't wear condoms..because well they just don't like it, nothing to do with the Church teaching on the subject.
16 posted on 02/12/2013 9:52:55 PM PST by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: steve86
Well, a quick reading doesn't turn up any "bad pope" tendencies whatsoever.

And he appears to speak the languages of many of the world's Catholics, in addition to a few others...

An accomplished polyglot, Turkson is able to speak English, Fante, French, Italian, German, and Hebrew, in addition to understanding Latin and Greek.

No Arabic though (whew!)

17 posted on 02/12/2013 9:57:28 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: plain talk
In October 2011 Cardinal Turkson called for the establishment of a “global public authority” and a “central world bank” to rule over financial institutions that have become outdated and often ineffective in dealing fairly with crises. The document, Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority was very specific, calling for taxation measures on financial transactions. It notes that “The economic and financial crisis which the world is going through calls everyone, individuals and peoples, to examine in depth the principles and the cultural and moral values at the basis of social coexistence,” it said. The document condemned what it called “the idolatry of the market” as well as a “neo-liberal thinking” that it said looked exclusively at technical solutions to economic problems. “In fact, the crisis has revealed behaviours like selfishness, collective greed and hoarding of goods on a great scale,” it said, adding that world economics needed an “ethic of solidarity” among rich and poor nations.

This dies not bode well. The rest of his biography has other telling clues as well.

18 posted on 02/12/2013 9:57:54 PM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: Ingtar

Yes they will


19 posted on 02/13/2013 12:17:13 AM PST by peter the great
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To: Ingtar

Where’s the “from Romana” come from? I don’t get it; he born in Wassa Nsuta in Western Ghana.


20 posted on 02/13/2013 12:44:05 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Read the Wiki post on "Turk-Son"

The Roman connection is surprisingly explicit.

21 posted on 02/13/2013 1:11:49 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Prospero

One would expect ‘the Roman’ to be a Roman, yes?


22 posted on 02/13/2013 1:22:25 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Prospero

I mean other than every pope is the Bishop of Rome.

And, of course it is the office of Peter.

So, no matter what, the next and every pope is “Peter the Roman”?

What am I missing?


23 posted on 02/13/2013 1:25:14 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Old Sarge

As in Jeopardy, one must not only be right but quick on the buzzer.


24 posted on 02/13/2013 2:02:21 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: nickcarraway
If the next pope is against gay marriage, or disagrees with the U.N. in any way, he will be hounded until he resigns. Because after all, now we know, popes can resign for anything.

Hey Johnny; Why don't you see if your guitar can play a different note.

25 posted on 02/13/2013 2:32:16 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: plain talk

Gee, ya think this guy sounds...entitled or something

Maybe Papal humility has at times, been an illusion maintained only in public

However

it is very very unusual and off putting for a prognosticated Papal successor to be so arrogant about “his” presumptive future role

I hope they pick someone else because of this man’s lack of humility, and his politicking on his personal agenda


27 posted on 02/13/2013 4:08:29 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf; FatherofFive
I hope they pick someone else because of this man’s lack of humility, and his politicking on his personal agenda

Based on previous things I had read about Turkson I liked him, a lot. But this Article really shows something much different. If these quotes are accurate (It is the UK telegraph, not the most supportive of the Catholic Church) then I have to agree with you.

28 posted on 02/13/2013 4:24:21 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: All

If this doesn’t bump Cardinal Ouellet up to clear front-runner status, I don’t know what will.

As of this morning, Turkson’s odds on PaddyPower have dropped from 3:! to 4:1 (third place) behind Ouellet at 7:2 and Scola at 4:1.

The more I read about Cardinal Ouellet, the more I’m convinced he’s everything the catholic church needs in a pope.

And I’m not catholic.


29 posted on 02/13/2013 4:29:21 AM PST by Preston Manning (When standing on the edge of a cliff, a "giant step forward" is NOT progress!)
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To: plain talk

This would dove tail with another “prophecy” about a converted Turk becoming Pope.

Then who is the great Monarch?


30 posted on 02/13/2013 4:32:18 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: steve86

And he appears to speak the languages of many of the world’s Catholics, in addition to a few others...

________________________________________________________

But he does not speak Latin, the language of the Church. Go figure?


31 posted on 02/13/2013 4:44:16 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: nickcarraway

Still pushing that phoney strawman, eh Nick? The current Pope was 85. He did not resign over nothing. A whole lot of people never even live to 85.


32 posted on 02/13/2013 5:12:57 AM PST by plain talk
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To: D-fendr
World Net Daily (I know,I know) thinks it's going to be this guy(From an email):

"Cardinal Tarcisio Pietro (Peter in English) Evasio Bertone, born in Romano Canavese, Piedmont"

33 posted on 02/13/2013 5:14:22 AM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: silverleaf
There may be some reverse psychology going on. Acting like you have the Papacy "in the bag" going into the conclave is a good way to ensure you won't get elected. If we know this, Cardinal Turkson certainly does.

I know who I want. He has all the qualifications, is the right age, says all the right things. I'll light a candle for him tonight at church. It's not Cardinal Turkson.

34 posted on 02/13/2013 5:22:10 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: plain talk
Peter from Rome.

Well I'll be damned.

35 posted on 02/13/2013 5:38:10 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: plain talk
Peter from Rome.

Well I'll be damned.

36 posted on 02/13/2013 5:38:17 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: nickcarraway

You are a clown!

The next Pope will continue to hold fast the teachings of Scripture and the traditions of the Church.

The Pope is NOT susceptible to his detractors, and do not resign lightly, as evidenced by history.


37 posted on 02/13/2013 5:56:11 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Jaxter

Cardinal Bertone is 78 (too old; they’ll want a man younger than 70 IMO) and has great difficulty with English. (When Pope Benedict toured the US and Cdl. Bertone was required to speak, he spoke Spanish.). Bogus prophecy or no bogus prophecy ... nope, won’t happen.


38 posted on 02/13/2013 5:58:52 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: redgolum
Then who is the great Monarch?

he (lowercase "h" on purpose) hasn't entered the world stage yet. he'll come forward in some convoluted "world" office that has an equally convoluted title, like Global Public Authority, the very thing Turkson has called for.

In response to the global economic crisis started in 2008, Cardinal Turkson, together with bishop Mario Toso, elaborated a proposal to reform the international financial system by creating a Global Public Authority and a Global Bank that consider the interest of all developing countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson


39 posted on 02/13/2013 6:00:11 AM PST by silent_jonny
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To: D-fendr

Oops. I mixed up the two Pete/Peters that are both considered top candidates.


40 posted on 02/13/2013 6:25:56 AM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Rockingham

The “heir apparent”, the “odds-on-favorite” almost NEVER wins a papal election.


41 posted on 02/13/2013 6:32:21 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: silent_jonny

In (some) Catholic prophecy, the Great Monarch is NOT the anti Christ. Rather he is the last great Christian monarch who will lead the last Crusade which destroys Islam.

I may have some of the time line wrong, as it is based off a book I read years ago on a whim.


42 posted on 02/13/2013 6:38:59 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Campion

Cdl Burke.


43 posted on 02/13/2013 6:59:34 AM PST by wiley
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To: Campion

Cdl Burke.


44 posted on 02/13/2013 6:59:42 AM PST by wiley
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To: vladimir998

I think that there is something about conclaves that recoils against those who are ambitious to become pope.


45 posted on 02/13/2013 7:10:05 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Lion Den Dan

Oh, I’m quite sure he can say the Mass in Latin.

I think he is said to “understand” Latin, not speak it, because Latin is no longer a conversational language, nor is ancient Greek.


46 posted on 02/13/2013 7:37:56 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Jaxter

I thought he was supposed to be from Rome.

So the prediction is for Peter the Turinese?

:)


47 posted on 02/13/2013 9:29:20 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
"So the prediction is for Peter the Turinese?"

"Cardinal Tarcisio Pietro (Peter in English) Evasio Bertone, born in Romano Canavese, Piedmont"

48 posted on 02/13/2013 11:41:36 AM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: Jaxter

Ah, Peter the Romanese then.

Prophecy fail.

:)


49 posted on 02/13/2013 11:49:28 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Jaxter

You can check also, but I found that a native of Romana is Romanese, not Roman.


50 posted on 02/13/2013 11:54:15 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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