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Wildlife officials play surprise role in tracking down Dorner
LATimes ^ | February 12, 2013, 10:44 p.m. | By Julie Cart and Matt Stevens, Los Angeles Times

Posted on 02/13/2013 12:42:44 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

While law enforcement officials scoured the hillsides above Big Bear on Tuesday for murder suspect Christopher Dorner, wardens from California's Department of Fish and Wildlife were called in to patrol the rugged terrain of Highway 38.

It was on that highway that the officers first encountered Dorner, engaging the former cop in a white-knuckle chase involving two commandeered vehicles. The pursuit culminated in what officials described as a wild shootout between Dorner and a state game warden.

The actions by alert wildlife officers may have set in motion Dorner's last stand — in a snowbound cabin, surrounded by police. The cabin burned to the ground and there were conflicting reports over whether a body had been found inside.

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1 posted on 02/13/2013 12:42:56 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

He was driven to earth by fish cops. Good old boys with AR’s.


2 posted on 02/13/2013 12:48:15 AM PST by Oldexpat
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Watched the interview of the Lieutant and the description of the encounter....there is no doubt of the pfficiers recognizing him and he they passed on the road and he fired his piston at the officiers vehicle.

The Gentlemen whose pickup was taken by Dorner with assaul weapon in his face said it was Dorner.

I believe he was the man in the fiery cabin and he did not escape.

Confirmation will come in due time.

I watched the interviews on Channel 5 here in Orange County.

Local Channel 5 also has a reporter on stakeout as his mothers house in La Palma.

3 posted on 02/13/2013 12:48:40 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Oldexpat

They had a new and shiny AR 15 with 308 caliber they fired at the fleeing white pickup according to the interview on Channel 5.


4 posted on 02/13/2013 12:50:54 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

He fired his Piston? Well, that bastuhd....


5 posted on 02/13/2013 12:50:54 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Camouflage is critical when hunting or being hunted. Too bad he didn’t realize that his real camouflage would have been in Watts or Harlem.


7 posted on 02/13/2013 12:52:49 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They had an AR with .308???

Reeeeeelly?! I have one I made but, cops and departments are both lazy and cost sensitive.

They usually shoot .223/556.

An AR .308 cost mucho thousands of $$$’s. Ain’t no forest ranger gonna have a badazz weapon that has a .25 MOA @ 300yrds.

Departments know the average SWAT sniper encounter is 53yrds.

Almost David and Goliath range....


8 posted on 02/13/2013 12:55:53 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Jack Hammer

Theory has it that the Storm locked him on the mountain after the asle on his first vehicle broke.


9 posted on 02/13/2013 12:56:37 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It wuz OJ.

Trust me...


10 posted on 02/13/2013 12:57:05 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

That is what I heard on the interview....but I am not knowledgable regarding guns....but I have gone deer hunting....


11 posted on 02/13/2013 12:59:17 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'm curious to know if Dorner had some lead in him since he had to know that
if he didn't stay on the move the gig was up. Apparently he wasn't a good driver on dirt roads.
12 posted on 02/13/2013 1:12:23 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
... there is no doubt of the pfficiers recognizing him and he they passed on the road and he fired his piston at the officiers vehicle.

I've fired my piston too. But never in anger.

13 posted on 02/13/2013 1:18:35 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’ze messing wit yoo bro....

I doubt yer Deer hunting sperience but, your Dear spleezing experience, like mine, is prolly simluhh...

LOL

Weeezzz loooozuhhs!

It’s toosday?....Wait....Just reeelized it’s Weddingsday.....if yer in Massachusetts....


14 posted on 02/13/2013 1:21:23 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
he apparently shot up the vehicle fairly well,...but didn't hit either officier.

But he was shooting with intent .

15 posted on 02/13/2013 1:21:52 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

And then they alerted Bo Bo and they set out a Pica nic Basket... and he could not resist!!!!

Jellystone will never be the same


16 posted on 02/13/2013 1:24:34 AM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Jack Hammer

Lol....or 1600 Penn Ave


17 posted on 02/13/2013 1:31:59 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Has anyone noticed that all pictures of the perp had him smiling and looking like a real sweet guy...that face smiling couldn’t have done such bad things...


18 posted on 02/13/2013 1:42:17 AM PST by goat granny
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
wild shootout between Dorner and a state game warden...

I guess we have here the total justification for the recent govt purchase of 7000 AR's, and the BILLIONS of hollow points to agencies like NOAA. See? It's totally innocent after all, in pursuit of justice and the American way!

19 posted on 02/13/2013 1:52:45 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

He must’ve been trained by the Marksmanship Training Unit of the LAPD. I think we see a trend here.


21 posted on 02/13/2013 2:29:05 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: C210N

From these reports, Obama doesn’t have to outlaw guns or ammo.

He just needs to mandate all weapon owners are trained by the LAPD in target practice and all the ammo in the world will be expended with only 2 rounds hitting their intended targets with non lethal casualties.


22 posted on 02/13/2013 2:32:48 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Oldexpat
And while the five wardens were "certainly rattled," said Lt. Patrick Foy, Fish and Wildlife spokesman, they were all highly trained and had just received the rifles.

He was driven to earth by fish cops. Good old boys with AR’s.

They just got them. Doesn't sound like "good ol boys" but rather DHS trained and supplied with recent purchases.

23 posted on 02/13/2013 2:59:56 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Oldexpat

Django outFoxxed by Fish and Game cops, barbecue ensues.


24 posted on 02/13/2013 3:05:17 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: MaxMax

For a guy who ought to be smart and have plans....it just seemed like everything he dreamed up...got screwed up in the end. He’d been better off to just rent some RV trailer under an assumed name, and park it on the beach at Malibu.


25 posted on 02/13/2013 3:23:40 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Enterprise

Hi!

Trying to do a bit of catch up here, since I pretty much took a break from the news last night, the night before the start of Lent.

Did Donner get caught? Thank-you for your response.


26 posted on 02/13/2013 3:24:31 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Enterprise

Maybe dead>

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/12/authorities-responding-to-big-bear-home-on-report-of-hostage-situation-unknown-if-connected-to-dorner/


27 posted on 02/13/2013 3:30:47 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Enterprise

Opps. ?


28 posted on 02/13/2013 3:32:04 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Wed. Feb.13 2013, between 1pm and 5pm, I was listening to San Bernadino sheriffs dept. on my android phone’s scanner app as San Bernardino sheriffs battled with accused killer Christopher Dorner, I was riveted. This animal had viciously murdered two innocent kids and by then two officers and two more wounded. Make no mistake, corrupt LAPD or not, he was evil. After a couple hours of shooting and positioning themselves, I heard them say, BEFORE the fire started, they were going to intentionally set the cabin on fire. The officers in the armored vehicle moved in and tore both the front door and front wall down (Wall number one.). They said they could see blood spatter from the bullet the sniper had just shot him with and that Dorner had piled matresses in the corner. (There must be a video camera on the robotic arm.) Then it got scary. They said they were proceeding with “fire” as “per plan”. Next there was a confirmation the fire had been set. Then they confirmed fire was successfully showing. externally on corner of walls 2 and 3. Stunned, I listened to a surreal play by play as the cabin slowly was consumed by fire and Dorners ammo cooked off. They let it burn through the floor as the cabin had a basement.

None of this was reported. It was evident they had intentionally killed him. A single shot was heard from inside as the fire took hold, indicating he may have suicided before burning. As it began burning heavily, officers were instructed to be alert and to watch their backdrop when they fired as the cabin was surrounded and officers were on all sides opposite. It was no accident. They had no intention of capturing him although they could have simply gassed him or even waited him out. That is murder. Badges do not justify murder as far as I know. Even under the NDAA.

I swear to God. On the life of my own daughter and all I hold precious. May God strike me dead if I’m lying. THIS STORY IS ALL TRUE!

We are all GUARANTEED our rights under the Constitution that are neither subject to cancellation by each other, public opinion, politicians or police order. Dorner, the innocents he murdered, you, me, all Americans have rights that must be defended and protected especially by law enforcement and all who swear an oath to do the same.

This man served America with honor in Iraq. Most likely twisted by things he had to see and do there. He deserved his day in court as much as the innocents he killed deserved to have him convicted. A wise man, a famous man senselesly shot dead once said “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

The police denied his rights because they were motivated by pure hate. This precedent is unacceptable and if tolerated will reinforce it’s acceptability. Because of the trust and authority WE give them, police must be held to a higher standard than citizens not a lower one.

You can hear it all. The files are online andvarchived offshore.
You can download the scanner app below. Connect to the system channel below and listen to the archived files for that channel yourself. This story in less detail is starting to show up online. There were around 29,000 people listening as well.

Android phone app. “Scanner Radio version 3.8.5”
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Channels:

San Bernadino County Sheriff System 7/8
Archived 2-13-13

San Bernadino County System 6 ,7,8 East Valley and SB Mountain Police, Fire, EMS
Archived 2-13-13


29 posted on 02/13/2013 3:57:28 AM PST by Speed of Dark (This is dark?)
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30 posted on 02/13/2013 4:04:41 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Technically, that would be an AR-10.


31 posted on 02/13/2013 4:08:09 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Speed of Dark
Dohner was a steroid crazed killer who deserved to die.

Kindly stfu about his "rights".

32 posted on 02/13/2013 4:13:22 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Speed of Dark
You are right. The police were Judge, Jury, and Executioner when they had him surrounded.
They had no reason to kill him at that point. Personally I would have liked to see
him dragged into court in leg chains and hand irons. Then executed lawfully in 12-15 years.

33 posted on 02/13/2013 4:15:06 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: Speed of Dark

Yes I believe you. Got that same conclusion from other reports. The LAPD was out to kill this guy. That much was obvious from the “blue pickup” incident.

Yes, they improperly skirted the law. Yet, at the same time: there was no doubt who this guy was, what he did, what he was guilty of, and - most important the the final incident - no doubt he intended to kill at least one more person in any attempt to capture him. In other words: “he needed killin’.”

Yet Haasan still breathes...


34 posted on 02/13/2013 4:25:19 AM PST by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: Speed of Dark

Sounds like a tinfoil conspiracy theory you found on DU or HuffPo to make the poh widdle persecuted minority victim into a martyr of police racist brutality torture evil capitalist pig hatred.


35 posted on 02/13/2013 4:26:48 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Speed of Dark

But then no. 34 says others are reporting the same. Well, of course there might be a concerted effort to gin up a “police burned him alive” myth.

Or it might be true.

Dunno. But it reads like it was made-to-order for the libs defending the poh widdle persecuted-because-he’s-black victim of police brutality Dorner.


36 posted on 02/13/2013 4:29:00 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Speed of Dark

This guy, despite his history, had become a rabid dog.
There’s only one thing you do with a rabid dog where I come from.


37 posted on 02/13/2013 4:48:24 AM PST by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“They had a new and shiny AR 15 with 308 caliber they fired at the fleeing white pickup according to the interview on Channel 5.”

Not too be picky but I question a little bit Channel 5’s description of the rifle. I’m not an expert on this but I have not seen an AR-15 of 308 caliber. Now, I have seen chopped versions of the M-14 with pistol grips, folding stock, rails, etc, in 308 caliber. in fact, Seals are very fond of this weapon. Just chatting, not looking to be flamed :)


38 posted on 02/13/2013 4:52:28 AM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: MaxMax

Okay, so we have one vengeful homicidal maniac executed by law enforcement. And let’s not kid ourselves, this was an execution. Yeah, maybe he “needed killin’” but once they had him surrounded, burning him alive was not any more acceptable than it was with all those people in Waco. We’re supposed to have courts and juries and all that, but with so many willing to strap on kneepads for anything wearing a badge, we need not bother with it.

Whatever position you had during this man hunt, some things have become very clear. Anyone who still thinks that cops are your friends, are there to protect you and would never use these tactics on gun owners when confiscations are ordered are going to be in for a rude awakening, just like the people the cops tried to murder just because they were driving pick up trucks.


39 posted on 02/13/2013 4:59:05 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Fireone
This guy, despite his history, had become a rabid dog. There’s only one thing you do with a rabid dog where I come from.

What about his constitutional right to due process as an american citizen? Do we just forget about old ideas like that and give police the right to be judge, jury and executioner when they feel like it? Just "burn that motherf#@%ker" is just dandy now?

I don't want a police force like that, but that's what we have.
40 posted on 02/13/2013 5:12:15 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Speed of Dark

This is murder and very wrong.

Law enforcement as a whole is out of control. This country has gone to hell.


41 posted on 02/13/2013 5:16:14 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mac_truck

You are going to the evil side.


42 posted on 02/13/2013 5:17:21 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Houghton M.

Look, he heard it as it happened. The LE killed the guy and they have sunk to his level. He was surrounded and they were too chicken-hearted to arrest him.


43 posted on 02/13/2013 5:19:04 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mac_truck
Dohner was a steroid crazed killer who deserved to die.

Dorner was a citizen of these United States, accused of a crime. He, like all citizens of these United States (including you) deserved his day in court. Police are not judges or juries. We have those for a reason, and we throw them away at our own peril.

A real citizen of these United States would understand this.

You are a citizen of these United States, right?

If you aren't, STFU and GTFOOMC!

44 posted on 02/13/2013 5:20:21 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: FreedomPoster

“Technically, that would be an AR-10.”

Yep. I doubt that the accuracy statement was correct either </sarc> Eagle arms makes a target model AR-10 that will group under .75” at 100 meters, which is pretty impressive. My carefully rebuilt FN FAL gives up 1.5” and I am tickled with that in a 50+ year old rifle.


45 posted on 02/13/2013 5:30:16 AM PST by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: Orangedog
Fortunately we have States that push back against unlawful tyranny instead of accepting
a one-law-fits-all from the Feds. Then unfortunately there are States who would implement
any confiscation of our 2nd Amendment rights making the 1st an easy target.
Each Amendment supports the other which is why they are 1st and 2nd.
46 posted on 02/13/2013 5:31:46 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So the Fish & Wildlife guys did what the LAPD could not do.


47 posted on 02/13/2013 5:35:46 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Vendome

Not True on the Cost. On DPMS.COM the difference is $50.00.
I opted for a 308LR and it is great to have the extra power at a marginal cost difference.


48 posted on 02/13/2013 5:41:31 AM PST by DeweyShootem
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This has gotta be embarassing for the LAPD.
The LAPD couldnt take him down, but a bunch of Fish and Wildlife Game Wardens did.


49 posted on 02/13/2013 5:49:33 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Your only guarantee of Free Speech is the Gun in your hand.)
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To: ZX12R

He shot and killed a man during the “negotiations”. At what point do you cut your losses? Let him keep killing because
he has “rights”? I think he surrendered those rights during
the firefight, if not before.


50 posted on 02/13/2013 6:12:23 AM PST by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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