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Who Makes the Cut for the Worst Presidents Ever? (What a Question)
Townhall.com ^ | February 13, 2013 | Michael Medved

Posted on 02/13/2013 7:59:52 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: donmeaker
On civilian was killed at Gettysburg from small arms fire. Nobody is sure which side fired it.

Mary Virginia Wade, better known as Jennie Wade, was the only civilian killed during the American Civil War Battle of Gettysburg, Pennsylvania on July 3, 1863 while baking bread for Union soldiers in the now famous tourist destination, the Jennie Wade House. She was struck by a single bullet that traveled through two wooden doors killing her instantly. Jennie Wade was 20 years old. The house looks very much the same as it did over 140 years ago. The house was actually the residence of Jennie's sister, Georgia McClella

141 posted on 02/17/2013 6:18:42 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker

The terms of the Treaty of Versailles were far harsher than the promises made at the time of the Armistices. There was a breakdown in civil order in Germany after the Armistice and the suspension of submarine warfare and arming of the United States tipped the balance of power towards the Allies. The Treaty was imposed on Germany at gunpoint. In civil law, a contract entered into under duress or extortion is not valid. Morally, the same applies to Versailles.

Besides, by your logic, the French were bound by the second Versailles Treaty and were obliged to fight to for Hitler.


142 posted on 02/18/2013 2:29:35 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: donmeaker

Lee could have marched into DC but didn’t since he had no desire to take over the North. The James brothers simply responded to jay hawkers entering Mo to hang innocent men in front of their families, many of which never owned slaves. After the Feds attacked and killed his little brother the torch of vengeance was lit. Too much blood on every side, but we must preserve union power over the underlings.


143 posted on 02/18/2013 3:57:35 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: donmeaker

BTW, Maryland was a Southern state. Did you forget?


144 posted on 02/18/2013 4:00:08 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

One which did not pretend to seccession, did you forget?


145 posted on 02/18/2013 7:12:38 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

And so the French did fight for Hitler against the US/British landings in North Africa.

After Hitler invaded the free zone of Vichy France in 1942 (just as he had invaded his former Polish ally in 1939, his former Soviet Ally in 1941 and his former Hungarian ally in 1944) of course the French soldiers with any brains were against him.


146 posted on 02/18/2013 7:20:28 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

A group known as border ruffians had been hanging people in Kansas before the Jayhawkers went to work.

Of course by law, Kansas was to be free, per Missouri compromise. Slave power changed their mind on that one also.


147 posted on 02/18/2013 7:25:26 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Pelham

As an example of a memorial to big killers, see Stone Mountain.


148 posted on 02/18/2013 7:27:55 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker; Pelham

We know the examples. You don’t get the point donmaker.


149 posted on 02/18/2013 7:52:41 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I get your point. Your point is false. Mine is true.


150 posted on 02/18/2013 8:22:13 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Pelham

So is it your assertion that controversy between the states, or between the states and the federal government is not required by the constitution to be resolved by law at the supreme court?


151 posted on 02/18/2013 8:27:05 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Kentucky and Missouri were other states invaded by the slave power and its deluded soldiers.


152 posted on 02/18/2013 8:28:56 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Kaslin

Worst Presidents - Ten + 1 extra for good measure...

1. OBummer
2. The Peanut Farmer
3. The Hope Arkansas Intern Dabbler
4. Mr Lady Bird
5. The Man from Kennebunkport
6. The Delano Guy - Winston’s Cousin
7. The Edward Mandell House Puppet
8. The ‘I am not a crook’ guy
9. Leslie Lynch King, Jr
10.Useless
11.Pierced on his own petard (Ostend Manifesto)


153 posted on 02/18/2013 9:38:37 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: donmeaker

“So is it your assertion that controversy between the states, or between the states and the federal government is not required by the constitution to be resolved by law at the supreme court?”

Donny, I think you’ve described Lincoln’s gift to the nation. Why take your opponents to the Supreme Court when you can simply send an army to burn them out and kill them?


154 posted on 02/18/2013 10:32:47 AM PST by Pelham (Marco Rubio. for Amnesty, Spanish, and Karl Rove.)
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To: BroJoeK; rockrr; the OlLine Rebel; donmeaker
"In doing this there need be no bloodshed or violence, and there shall be none, unless it is forced upon the national authority. 
The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may he necessary for these objects there will be no invasion—no using of force against or among the people any where.

Directly from your post, so there is no mistake.

To anyone in the newly seceded states this would be a provocation.

To the CSA this would say that the new president of the USA intends to maintain Fort Sumter at the entrance to Charleston Harbor in South Carolina and Fort Pickens at the entrance to Pensacola Bay in Florida for the purposes of collecting duties and imposts.

What independent nation could tolerate a foreign power maintaining armed fortifications within its territorial waters? What independent nation would pay duties and impost to a foreign power?

Basically what Lincoln was saying was fine you can call yourself an independent nation but you will still pay your taxes regardless.

155 posted on 02/21/2013 2:40:35 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

You waited three days to post that? Seriously?!


156 posted on 02/21/2013 5:39:22 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

I bet he wanted to when timely, but found FR was frozen and dead. So had to continue when it finally woke up again.


157 posted on 02/21/2013 8:52:17 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: donmeaker

My point was that Germany had no more moral compunction to observe the first Treaty of Versailles than France had to observe the second one.


158 posted on 02/22/2013 4:49:08 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Except that would free any nation to break any agreement.

All agreements are made under some expectation of reward and punishment.

For example, Iran agreed, in exchange for the US providing nuclear expertise and materials for power plants, to give up any right to pursue nuclear weapons.

Violation of that or any agreement invokes penalties. If there is no expectation that an agreement will be kept, then there is no reason to give an agreement.

Consider the parole agreements generously given to Southern soldiers after the surrender of their armies in North Carolina, Virginia and Mississippi. Certainly such an agreement is given under threat of punishment. Without the expectation that it would be kept, the soldiers would be detained, with the usual high loss of life from disease associated with that.


159 posted on 02/22/2013 11:09:55 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Pontiac

“In doing this there need be no bloodshed or violence, and there shall be none, unless it is forced upon the national authority.”

I don’t know why that would be seen by anyone in the southern states as a provocation.

Just as an intellectual exercise, take the words “no” “unless” and replace “none” with “some” out to see what the opposite would be.

“In doing this there need be bloodshed or violence, and there shall be some, it is forced upon the national authority.”

That could be a provocation. As given by Lincoln, it gives no provocation, rather is the opposite of provocation.


160 posted on 02/22/2013 11:14:58 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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