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FAA Official: No Armed Drones In U.S.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/ ^ | February 13, 2013 | Bem Wolfgang

Posted on 02/13/2013 11:59:43 AM PST by Biggirl

MCLEAN, Va. — A top official with the Federal Aviation Administration reassured the public on Wednesday that, despite the fear and paranoia of some, no armed drones will be permitted to fly in U.S. airspace. “We currently have rules in the books that deal with releasing anything from an aircraft, period. Those rules are in place and that would prohibit weapons from being installed on a civil aircraft,” said Jim Williams, head of the FAA's Unmanned Aircraft Systems Integration Office, in an address to the drone industry’s leading trade group meeting this week in Northern Virginia.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: armeddrones; banglist; bho44; bhofaa; counterterrorism; domesticterrorism; drones; faa; jimwilliams; liar; marsa; tyranny; usdrones

1 posted on 02/13/2013 11:59:49 AM PST by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

“...reassured the public”

Now I feel better.


2 posted on 02/13/2013 12:03:11 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Biggirl

“Those rules are in place and that would prohibit weapons from being installed on a civil aircraft”

What if its not a ‘civil’ aircraft?


3 posted on 02/13/2013 12:04:50 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Biggirl

Could have sworn I heard one giving a speech on TV last night...


4 posted on 02/13/2013 12:06:45 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: lacrew
"prohibit", eh?
I feel so much better "Prohibitions" always work


5 posted on 02/13/2013 12:07:35 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Biggirl
"..prohibit weapons from being installed on a civil aircraft..."

Then shedding the weapon would make the craft legal.

Plus the gov't is not all that civil these days.

6 posted on 02/13/2013 12:10:37 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Biggirl

Then why are there reports of 63 ‘launch sites’ for such drones already here in the USA???


7 posted on 02/13/2013 12:10:50 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Biggirl

Executive order allowing armed drones to assist in the elimination to threats to national security in 3...2...1...


8 posted on 02/13/2013 12:11:13 PM PST by Antihero101607
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To: Paladin2

So, the Hellfire missile gets “shed” by launching it at a target,

then the craft is once again legal.


9 posted on 02/13/2013 12:11:46 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Biggirl

THIS IS A LIE.

Jim Williams, as a ‘senior official at the FAA’ certainly knows the term ‘MARSA’.

So do I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARSA_(aviation)


10 posted on 02/13/2013 12:12:59 PM PST by MeganC (Liberals fool people by walking upright.)
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To: lacrew

“What if its not a ‘civil’ aircraft?”

I think that the term “Civil” is probably going to be accompanied by an asterisk* and re-defined


11 posted on 02/13/2013 12:13:19 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Biggirl

Key word: Armed.

It’s interesting that he qualified it.


12 posted on 02/13/2013 12:15:29 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Biggirl

One little executive order from the king will put the kill list out on anyone who loves God and guns. Law or procedures be damned. He gets his jollies on breaking the law because no one has the guts to put him down.


13 posted on 02/13/2013 12:15:46 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Biggirl

Key word: Armed.

It’s interesting that he qualified it.

Also, could an unarmed drone not paint a target with a laser?


14 posted on 02/13/2013 12:16:02 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: ridesthemiles

Cite the soruces please.


15 posted on 02/13/2013 12:19:26 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ridesthemiles

In urban areas, police departments are opting for the ‘shadowhawk’. Its a helicopter...no need for any special launch site.

They have cameras in them...Texas is considering rubber bullets and tear gas...

...the shawdowhawk can easily be armed with a shotgun, and is used this way against pirates right now.

So essentially, the only thing that keeps a cop from putting a shotgun in the shadowhawk is...well nothing but his morals.

I have no idea if putting a shotgun in a mount is considered ‘installed’ in government speak...I suspect it isn’t.


16 posted on 02/13/2013 12:21:52 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: MrB
"then the craft is once again legal."

That's the way they make it sound. Nothing to see here, move along.

Most gov't statements are carefully crafted and can be parsed in any number of ways.

17 posted on 02/13/2013 12:22:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: freeangel

Unless I see or read of something that backs up what you have posted, then it is all hersey.


18 posted on 02/13/2013 12:22:25 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Someone needs to inform the DOT since they consider law enforcement aircraft ‘public’, not private aircraft.


19 posted on 02/13/2013 12:22:41 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Biggirl
And we know how truthful and transparent the Obama administration is.
20 posted on 02/13/2013 12:23:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: cuban leaf

Drones don’t have arms, they have wings.


21 posted on 02/13/2013 12:24:26 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Biggirl

Doesn’t Diane Feinstein count as an armed drone?


22 posted on 02/13/2013 12:26:26 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Biggirl

“...despite the fear and paranoia of some...”

Lets see, in the style of some sort of futuristic drama, our government (local sheriffs, local police, federal agencies of all stripes) are accumulating an exponentially growing arsenal of unmanned aerial vehicles...

...They are currently using them to spy on Americans and ensure they COMPLY with federal regulations on farms...

...we know that these drones are currently being used throughout the world to commit assassinations...

....we learned last week that at least one of these assassinations was deliberately carrid out against an American (born in Denver), with absolutely no due process...

...and we’re paranoid!?!? to imagine that the fleet of drones flying above could easily be armed? And used against US citizens?

Sure, we’re the crazy ones.


23 posted on 02/13/2013 12:30:46 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew

I have no training in the physics of ballistics but I imagine the effective range of a shotgun is enhanced considerably if it is shooting down from above. Accelerating 00 buck to muzzle velocity and then allowing gravity to assist could allow the drones to fly completely out of return fire range and still pose an effective threat. But what do I know?


24 posted on 02/13/2013 12:34:23 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Biggirl

until they are allowed.

we just don’t know when that change will occur.

next false flag, probably.


25 posted on 02/13/2013 12:37:15 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MeganC

Wikipedia sez “I know nothing about MARSA!”


26 posted on 02/13/2013 12:47:31 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: muir_redwoods

I imagine the ability of a drone to stealthily creep up to your bedroom window and blow your head off while you sleep gives it a bit of an advantage.

Demo video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffem5Kejhso


27 posted on 02/13/2013 12:48:23 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Biggirl

“No armed drones in US”

Hahahaha, that’s a real funny! A big knee slapper! What a corker that Jim Williams fellow is.


28 posted on 02/13/2013 1:04:28 PM PST by bgill
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To: MeganC

Not sure what you’re getting at. I’m a retired USAF air traffic controller. MARSA means “Military Assumes Responsibility for Separation of Aircraft” and refers to when 2 or more aircraft are separated by less than standard air traffic separation. This is commonly done in formation flights and in-flight refueling. I don’t see where it has anything to do with weapons released by drones.


29 posted on 02/13/2013 1:11:23 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: 2nd amendment mama

ping!


30 posted on 02/13/2013 1:11:31 PM PST by basil (basil)
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To: MeganC

Yes MARSA, why is what he says a lie, other than he is from this admin. What do you think MARSA has to do with weapons, and how does it make this statement a lie?


31 posted on 02/13/2013 1:13:12 PM PST by xone
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To: Biggirl
Correct me if wrong, but it is my understanding the executive orders are only applicable to rules and regulations coming from departments under the executive branch. The FAA is certainly one of those. like the EPA, ATF, right?

So, the stroke of Obunga's pen can change the rules about armed civil aircraft whenever he feels like it.

32 posted on 02/13/2013 1:47:38 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: lacrew

You know what ever it is a gub mint person is saying it’s a lie.


33 posted on 02/13/2013 1:48:01 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((fubo))
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To: xone

“MARSA, MARSA, MARSA!”


34 posted on 02/13/2013 1:49:54 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Exactly!


35 posted on 02/13/2013 2:22:52 PM PST by xone
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To: Biggirl

We currently have rules in the books that deal with releasing anything from an aircraft, period. Those rules are in place and that would prohibit weapons from being installed on a civil aircraft,”

And our dear leader just loves to follow the rules like the Constitution.


36 posted on 02/13/2013 2:27:46 PM PST by Texas resident (I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on FR)
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To: Biggirl
Those rules are in place and that would prohibit weapons from being installed on a civil aircraft,” said Jim Williams, head of the FAA's Unmanned Aircraft Systems Integration Office....

Jim Williams needs to stand his ground. This is still a free country and if we all stand up to the thugs and monsters it'll stay that way. In spite of creepy horrible liberals this is NOT a country that kills it's own citizens from un-manned airplanes.

37 posted on 02/13/2013 2:31:03 PM PST by GOPJ ( Illegal immigrants: violent boorish party crashers. Send them home, call police - make them leave.)
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To: ops33

It’s the MAR part of MARSA that we need to be worried about. It’s the “rules are for civilians” part; analogous to “taxes are for the little people” (Leona Helmsley).

Soon it’ll mean Military Assumes Responsibility for the Shooting of Agitators.


38 posted on 02/13/2013 2:37:20 PM PST by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Biggirl

**FAA Official: No Armed Drones In U.S.**


Maybe not, but there is this. It’s under five minutes long and worth watching. Big Bro be watch’in you.

http://www.wimp.com/nextsurveillance/


39 posted on 02/13/2013 3:32:35 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, period. End of conversation.)
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To: Antihero101607

“Executive order allowing armed drones to assist in the elimination to threats to national security in 3...2...1...”

I can’t imagine there not being such an order already, especially for Secret Service armed drones to protect POTUS!


40 posted on 02/13/2013 5:36:40 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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