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Hawaii marijuana bill goes up in smoke
Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL ^ | February 12, 2013 | Anita Hofschneider, Associated Press

Posted on 02/13/2013 2:43:58 PM PST by Jyotishi

Honolulu (AP) - A bill that would have legalized marijuana in Hawaii has died in the state House.

House judiciary committee Chairman Karl Rhoads said Tuesday that he decided to kill the bill after learning from House leadership that the initiative does not have enough votes to pass the House.

Key lawmakers in the Democratic-controlled House supported the measure, including the speaker and the majority leader.

(Excerpt) Read more at hawaiinewsnow.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; drugwar; grass; law; marijuana; pakalolo; pot; recreation; warondrugs; weed; wod; wodlist; wosd
Maybe Hussein won't retire in Hawaii now.
1 posted on 02/13/2013 2:44:06 PM PST by Jyotishi
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To: Jyotishi
Democrats love more drugs for our teenagers, pregnant women in combat, the destruction of Holy Matrimony, and making us pay for innocent blood.

Maybe the failed in Hawaii, but do you think they will stop trying?

2 posted on 02/13/2013 2:48:48 PM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402

Oh Hawaii, after the the Democrats get drug legalization are you ready for peadophilia, necrophilia, and then human sacrifice?


3 posted on 02/13/2013 2:53:54 PM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402

And Republicans should support decriminalization because it takes power away from the government.


4 posted on 02/13/2013 2:54:08 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: sr4402

LOL...because alcohol and its physical addictions is such a smashing success. Its a freaking plant that is psychologically addictive;. Besides inhaling marijuana, the plant has many uses as “hemp” and could be quite useful in this country; but let’s keep it schedule “1” with heroin and other REAL narcotics.


5 posted on 02/13/2013 2:54:49 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Nominally tax it for recreational use, use it heavily for industrial (non-THC) applications. Its fibers can breed all sorts of new building materials (no, not whole structures, talking “particle board” type applications).


6 posted on 02/13/2013 2:58:32 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Michael Barnes

You must be a Libertarian.

Libertarians whole life resolves to “I want to smoke dope.”


7 posted on 02/13/2013 3:00:39 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Not really ~ just a bunch of tokers can now bother others without fear of state interference.

So I come over to quiet your party down and you do what...........

Well, no answer needed ~ you know what you'll do.

That doesn't mean it's over.

8 posted on 02/13/2013 3:23:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dan(9698)

I don’t partake (recently had a hair follicle test that backs up my claim). You however show your true colors with labeling. I am a Conservative, the type that is for personal responsibility. You must be a Republican however, since we are labeling; am I far off the mark?


9 posted on 02/13/2013 3:32:30 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: muawiyah
just a bunch of tokers can now bother others without fear of state interference.

Straw man. If a "bunch of tokers" are bothering you or anyone else, its called harassment; there are laws on the books already for that. If you don't like marijuana, just say so. I don't smoke it but don't see the harm in it, NOW, federally legal substances on the other hand?

10 posted on 02/13/2013 3:36:11 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Michael Barnes

“Besides inhaling marijuana, the plant has many uses as “hemp” and could be quite useful in this country; but let’s keep it schedule “1” with heroin and other REAL narcotics.”

Easy there, it’s hard to undo 70 years of propaganda at one fell swoop. Never mind that marijuana used to be prescribed by doctors for numerous ailments and didn’t cause anal leakage, heart palpitations, hives, dizziness and blurred vision. Besides you can’t be a real conservative if you don’t approve of no-knock raids, dog shootings and confiscation of property. We support the Constitution unless you’re a damned Hippie-Dope-Head and then it doesn’t apply to you.


11 posted on 02/13/2013 3:37:14 PM PST by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: dljordan

You captured the hypocrisy nicely.


12 posted on 02/13/2013 3:41:01 PM PST by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Jyotishi

No Maui Wowwi for the masses.


13 posted on 02/13/2013 3:42:37 PM PST by Liaison
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To: dljordan
You get it...

(now, where'd I leave that new fangled "like" button anyway??!)

14 posted on 02/13/2013 3:43:43 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Jyotishi

this is a joke, smoking weed in Hawaii has not been enforced in years...try 30.


15 posted on 02/13/2013 3:48:46 PM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: dljordan

Post of the day!


16 posted on 02/13/2013 4:14:48 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Jyotishi

Cops who smell marijuana coming from your home can break down your door and arrest you, just as long as they knock first and claim to have heard you destroying evidence. They don’t need a warrant or probable cause, either. Today in America, police can now randomly patrol neighborhoods and apartment complexes sniffing around for pot. When they smell it, they can knock on your door and then break it down, claiming they heard noises from within. You don’t have to be a pot smoker to appreciate where this is going. The coming police state was furnished by the drug war. Where these potheads really worth sacrificing The Republic for?


17 posted on 02/13/2013 4:18:25 PM PST by IDFbunny
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To: Liaison

No pakalolo for you.


18 posted on 02/13/2013 4:24:35 PM PST by IDFbunny
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To: Michael Barnes

At least you had one hair follicle that didn’t partake.

Great going.


19 posted on 02/13/2013 4:24:58 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Jyotishi

Hussein would never retire in Hawaii.
Far too distant from the media spotlight which he covets.

However, there will be a branch of the Baraq Hussein Obama Presidential Library and Choom Gang Museum there.


20 posted on 02/13/2013 4:33:03 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: q_an_a

In many ways it is a joke. The place is full of stoners. Not sure what the law would change, other than the sale and cultivation aspects being legalized.


21 posted on 02/13/2013 5:53:33 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Dan(9698)
*shakes head*

You've been around long enough for something of a better exchange.

22 posted on 02/13/2013 9:00:52 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: IDFbunny
No, they don't.
I know there were a couple stories on FR about an apartment complex where such things were done, but by and large (real large), law enforcement doesn't roll around neighborhoods with their heads stuck out the windows sniffing for some guy or gal smoking a blunt in their garage or out back of their property.
Marijuana use is more of a nuisance for law enforcement by those who wish to taunt LEO's. And if you are "caught" under the influence, the LEO is most likely doing you a favor at that point; you shouldn't have been out in public messed up in the first place.
23 posted on 02/13/2013 9:18:07 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Michael Barnes

I am tired of “libertarians” who want to have access to all kinds of drugs, and then taxpayers having to pay the costs to treat the people who get screwed up with drugs.

If they could legalize drugs, and the resulting costs not be born by those who don’t do drugs, it would be one thing, but that will never happen.

What is your “libertarian” solution for those who get screwed up so bad they can’t support themselves, or cause irreparable damage to others?

The “make it all legal” crowd is simplistic and naive. If they are locked up so as to prevent them from harming others, the costs of supporting them is still born by the taxpayers.


24 posted on 02/14/2013 2:12:02 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698); Michael Barnes

People already have access to any drugs they want. All they need to do is talk to people and sometimes not even that. If you dress well and go to a nice nightclub, dealers will hand you their cards. In most major cities you can have drugs delivered faster than pizza. The cops are obviously in on it and the WOD is a joke.

You see, it’s impossible to stop a product that costs very little to make yet is worth more than gold to the end user. The profit is so incredible that the market will override any laws. Even in countries where dealers are automatically executed, people will still gamble for such a huge profit.

Jailing users costs $50,000+ per year and doesn’t do anything to solve their drug addiction. It gives them a criminal record and makes them even more likely to become bums. They end up stealing thousands of dollars worth of value to give to a dealer for a few dollars worth of chemicals. The dealers make so much profit that they can easily pay off cops.

It would be far cheaper and better to legalize and give them the best possible drug addiction treatments. No incredible profits for dealers, far less theft and expenses for police/jail.


25 posted on 02/14/2013 6:30:05 AM PST by varyouga
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To: sr4402
Democrats love more drugs for our teenagers

Since teens started reporting several years ago that they could get pot more easily than they could get cigarettes or beer, it appears that the more effective way to keep pot out of teens' hands is to legalize it for adults - so sellers have an incentive not to sell to teens (namely, the loss of their legal adult sales).

26 posted on 02/14/2013 7:57:08 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
And Republicans should support decriminalization because it takes power away from the government.

Of course they should, and they will be just like the Democrats. Democrats want it to increase so they can get more money to spend on our doped up populace. Think 1984 and THX1138.

27 posted on 02/14/2013 10:06:32 AM PST by sr4402
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To: Michael Barnes
LOL...because alcohol and its physical addictions is such a smashing success

Yes it destroys American families in droves, just like the progressives wish these days. A DUI a great job killer on your resume or in trying to join the military. Like other kinds of Pharmakia, it destroys families and lives just like the Progressives don't want to hear.

And we who counsel folks who have been messed over by it know just how well.

28 posted on 02/14/2013 10:11:56 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402
Democrats want it to increase so they can get more money to spend on our doped up populace.

When we legalized the drug alcohol, did we get a liquored up populace?

29 posted on 02/14/2013 10:12:06 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: sr4402; Michael Barnes
Like other kinds of Pharmakia, it [alcohol] destroys families and lives just like the Progressives don't want to hear.

Actually, it was Progressives who pushed for enactment of alcohol Prohibition and conservatives who opposed it.

30 posted on 02/14/2013 10:14:41 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Michael Barnes
I don't smoke it but don't see the harm in it

I'm a substance abuse counselor, would you mind informing the rest of the folks here how it didn't screw over all those folks I've counseled?

31 posted on 02/14/2013 10:16:10 AM PST by sr4402
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
When we legalized the drug alcohol, did we get a liquored up populace?

Nope.

32 posted on 02/14/2013 10:22:46 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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I'm a substance abuse counselor, would you mind informing the rest of the folks here how it didn't screw over all those folks I've counseled?

You never saw the un-screwed users because they never needed substance abuse counseling. Some people screw up their lives with marijuana, or alcohol, or fast food - does that authorize government to ban those things for everybody?

33 posted on 02/14/2013 10:23:32 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Tau Food
What's your point - do the two people pictured extrapolate to "a liquored up populace"?
34 posted on 02/14/2013 10:25:31 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
I said, "Nope."

Nope, not dope.

35 posted on 02/14/2013 10:29:10 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
Your point remains unclear.
36 posted on 02/14/2013 10:38:08 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Your point remains unclear.

That's very possible. And, that's very possibly because I began smoking dope as a teenager, a long, long time ago, possibly before your parents were born.

I'm convinced that pot isn't good for kids or even young adults whose brains are still developing. I feel sorry for the many young folks who are into chronic use of marijuana.

I don't care what old folks do or how much they eat and sleep. I don't want to spend a dime prosecuting old folks for drug offenses.

But, keep that garbage (including alcohol) away from the youngsters!!

37 posted on 02/14/2013 10:55:31 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
Since teens started reporting several years ago that they could get pot more easily than they could get cigarettes or beer, it appears that the more effective way to keep pot out of teens' hands is to legalize it for adults - so sellers have an incentive not to sell to teens (namely, the loss of their legal adult sales).
38 posted on 02/14/2013 10:58:58 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Tau Food

If cops stopped policing the entire state and focused on schools and ONLY schools there would be much more drug interdiction in the schools.


39 posted on 02/14/2013 12:06:36 PM PST by IDFbunny
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To: IDFbunny
Well, it's not easy, is it?

Like I said, I have no objection to older folks using drugs, after they're, say, sixty or so. But, drugs should be strictly off limits for kids under 30.

I feel the same way about motor vehicles. They're just not safe for younger folks.

40 posted on 02/14/2013 2:42:44 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Some people screw up their lives with marijuana, or alcohol

Oh Yeah, I see plenty of this. Lot's of families broken up, lots of lives messed up sometimes permanently. Are you sure you want their blood on your hands?

41 posted on 02/15/2013 12:50:03 PM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402
I'm a substance abuse counselor, would you mind informing the rest of the folks here how it didn't screw over all those folks I've counseled?

You never saw the un-screwed users because they never needed substance abuse counseling. Some people screw up their lives with marijuana, or alcohol,

Oh Yeah, I see plenty of this. Lot's of families broken up, lots of lives messed up sometimes permanently. Are you sure you want their blood on your hands?

If a guy has a fatal heart attack at 40 from a lifetime of fast food, is his blood on my hands because I didn't support a ban on fast food?

or fast food - does that authorize government to ban those things for everybody?

42 posted on 02/15/2013 1:02:38 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: sr4402

So you’re good having the blood on you hands that comes from these things being illegal?


43 posted on 02/15/2013 1:07:38 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: sr4402
I'm a substance abuse counselor, would you mind informing the rest of the folks here how it didn't screw over all those folks I've counseled?

I believe courts usually require drug counseling in marijuana cases. What % of your business comes from such court referrals?

44 posted on 02/15/2013 6:45:58 PM PST by Ken H
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To: sr4402
Let me modify post #44.

1. What % of your overall business is from marijuana treatment?

2. What % of your marijuana patients are referrals from the justice system?

45 posted on 02/15/2013 9:21:59 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
1. What % of your overall business is from marijuana treatment?

None, my Counseling is free. Think of it as being community service. 2. What % of your marijuana patients are referrals from the justice system?

None, I give free counseling to all who ask.

My Question back to you. When God reviews all who have fallen from your promotion of drugs and all their families who have been affected, what will you say?

46 posted on 02/16/2013 3:11:27 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402; Ken H
... When God reviews all who have fallen from your promotion of drugs and all their families who have been affected, what will you say?

Gen 1: 11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

John 1:1ff- 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

God made everything. Eve did not eat from an apple tree, It was the fruit from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", (Gen 2:9). God banished them from Eden because it also contains the "tree of life". God left them to survive lives of hardship and toil.

If you pick grapes, break their skins and put them in a closed container for a few days, you will have wine...

If you take some buds from a hemp plant, and smoke them to get high, you may end up like Noah! Though he was intoxicated from wine, he tore off his clothes and his sons had to hide his nakedness from the girls...

Noah was the second beginning for this world!

Don't use God as your excuse for your counseling. You are just another legalist figuring it is the drugs or alcohol that are the problem. If you read some of Paul's writings, you will se that it ain't the drugs. It is the sinful nature God allowed us to have. We call it "free will"...

I have smoked pot. It made me high. I stopped smoking it. I still worked all my life and made a good living (for my kids!!!). I now smoke Acid cigars and drink single malts. BUT, always in moderation!!!

Marijuana is not the problem.

Eph 3: 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. ...


47 posted on 02/16/2013 3:45:22 AM PST by WVKayaker ("I’ve seen how nasty it can be for other conservatives as well. "-Sarah Palin 12/17/12)
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To: WVKayaker
Don't use God as your excuse for your counseling

Addiction begins in the mind long before the first pill, the first sip, or the first time in bed. It begins with the thought that one is the captain of one's fate and that one can handle whatever comes. God is pushed far from the mind and self is fully on the throne of one's life.

From their, the serpent's whispers come. Sometimes from so-called friends, sometimes from the media, and sometimes from the turbulence inside one's self. Sometimes all three together, but once self is exhaulted the soul is ready for all kinds of addictions.

I can hear folks on the street and know that they are already addicted, don't know it, and don't know which form it will take. Sometimes it's an attitude, a haughty look, or just a pride that says they will be able to handle everything better than anyone else.

Then there are those who say 'I can do anything with my body I want to', 'There's nothing wrong with it' and 'nobody tell's me what to do'. It's obvious to me what state they are in and that there is little I can do.

Some of these promote what they are doing and I can only warn them with a phrase they typically disdain. The disdain in their voices is the give away how far it has progressed. The higher it goes, the higher the fall. It doesn't matter what the addiction. I can only pray that it, by mercy, be limited and of short duration.

And I know how to see it because of my own addictions and the ones, by the Grace of God, that He has delivered me from. For I am no different than anyone else, deserving mans and God's disdain. But because of the Love and Grace He has bestowed on the undeserving, and not for anything I would do, because of His love, I go along side those who have gone down the all way too common path who say "It's killing me".

For those, there is hope, there is a Savior that delivers from all kinds of addictions, all kinds of guilt trips, and all kinds of brokenness. I know from their words, that the tale of my own brokenness and what God did and does for the undeserving, may be heard.

And by the Grace of God, some are delivered from their addictions. Some get their wives back, some get their children back, some get their health back. And usually some scars remain to remind those of His scars and to live a life in His love instead of the love of self.

Without that sheepskin, of Faith upon the Lord Jesus and the dying to self, all the errors come back to haunt no matter how small. Jesus said 'every jot and tittle of the law' (there is no grading on the curve). Every sin and every effect of sin will be accounted for - the price to be paid in full for eternity.

For those who say they can 'do it' and are 'covered' by the sheepskin, I know they are not. It doesn't matter whether it is drugs, alcohol, sexual, the mind, self or other addictions - the path is obvious.

To you and to all who are watching, I only say there is a Savior who saved a wretch like me and to throw themselves upon Him sooner than later.

There are two type of folks in eternity, those who cannot stop praising Him for what He has done and those who worship Him as as slow burning incense, alone and un-moving, forever.

48 posted on 02/16/2013 7:32:42 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sr4402; Ken H
your promotion of drugs

Where did Ken, or any other FReeper, promote drugs? Are you bearing false witness?

49 posted on 02/18/2013 8:18:54 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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