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Sheriff: Cabin not purposely burned in firefight
AP ^ | Feb 13, 7:47 PM EST | GREG RISLING and TAMI ABDOLLAH

Posted on 02/13/2013 5:12:34 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron

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< snip > San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Wednesday his deputies did not intentionally burn down the cabin. His deputies shot pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin, and it erupted in flames, he said.

McMahon did not say directly that the tear gas started the blaze, and the cause of the fire remained unclear.

A charred body was found in the basement, along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing probe.

1 posted on 02/13/2013 5:12:37 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Comical spin.


2 posted on 02/13/2013 5:13:28 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Not just any assault rifle, but a LARGE assault rifle.


3 posted on 02/13/2013 5:15:23 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I look forward to continued excellent professionalism and accuracy from the authorities.


4 posted on 02/13/2013 5:18:19 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
We did not burn it down on purpose.

Yeah sure. And I am the sugar plum fairy on meth.

It was getting dark and they wanted to make damn sure he couldn't create a diversion and escape after dark.

5 posted on 02/13/2013 5:18:45 PM PST by Newbomb Turk ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Sheriff: Cabin not purposely burned in firefight.

Much.

6 posted on 02/13/2013 5:19:46 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Its called Ambivalent Projected Immolation. API.


7 posted on 02/13/2013 5:19:46 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Burn that f***ing house down!

Pay no attention to that man shouting behind the curtain.

8 posted on 02/13/2013 5:25:05 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

The guy asked for - and recieved - suicide by cop. A fate often sought by these spree killers.


9 posted on 02/13/2013 5:25:54 PM PST by llevrok (The only thing Obama has achieved are rapid executive orders.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

So I guess when I heard them say on the scanner that they were ‘going with burn plan’ ....then a few minutes later...’burners deployed’ and then ‘we have fire’, I was just hearing things or misunderstanding. Got it.

I heard it all in real time yesterday with my own ears.


10 posted on 02/13/2013 5:26:09 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Riiiiiiigggggjjjjjtt.


11 posted on 02/13/2013 5:26:28 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Here is what I heard on the scanner last night word for word:

"7 burners deployed and we have a fire..."

Perhaps the sheriff can enlighten us on the context and meaning of that statement.

12 posted on 02/13/2013 5:27:08 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Chuckster
Not just any assault rifle, but a LARGE assault rifle.

It was humongous!

Woo woo, woo woo woo!

No, my name is not Laura Pruden!

13 posted on 02/13/2013 5:28:19 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Chuckster

“Not just any assault rifle, but a LARGE assault rifle.”

That caught my attention too. Like the bigger, the more assaulty and stuff


14 posted on 02/13/2013 5:30:04 PM PST by Figment
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To: penelopesire
I heard it all in real time yesterday with my own ears.

What? Are you going to believe the Sheriff or your own lying ears?

15 posted on 02/13/2013 5:31:13 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Eaker

Considering no one has posted an audio clip yet, I take it with a grain of salt.


16 posted on 02/13/2013 5:33:42 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: llevrok

I wonder how many civilian posses burned outlaws out of their hideouts only to dangle them from the nearest tree?

Last time it happened in my little town was about 150 years ago. As I understand the story a rapist was hiding in a barn so the locals torched it. He ran out and ended up hanging from a bridge less than 100 yards from where I sit.


17 posted on 02/13/2013 5:37:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Imagine an arsonist saying “officer, I didn’t intend to burn the house down. I just covered the inside with gasoline and walked away.”


18 posted on 02/13/2013 5:37:37 PM PST by varyouga
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To: Chuckster

Assault-STYLE rifle.


19 posted on 02/13/2013 5:39:03 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
yeah, right...

20 posted on 02/13/2013 5:39:35 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Figment

Well, after all, he was a large man so he would need a “large” assualt weapon


21 posted on 02/13/2013 5:40:59 PM PST by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: AppyPappy

The audio is on youtube.


22 posted on 02/13/2013 5:41:49 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: AppyPappy; penelopesire

penelopesire is a personal friend and I will take her word for it before I will the MSM or some idiot talking head or Sheriff doing as he is told.


23 posted on 02/13/2013 5:42:06 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I’m glad he’s dead, but did the cops deliberately execute him? OF COURSE...!

And they have done that also when the target was a church full of women and kids —burned it right down.

If you give cops tons of kook gear it’s just a matter of time before they want to use it. If they don’t, then they see all the ninjya nomex as making for WASTE, or something.

They killed him, and they knew what they were doing.


24 posted on 02/13/2013 5:43:55 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Notice the nuance “his deputies”. It was LAPD SWAT that lit the house up.

They were called to the Central Station a 1:00pm and reported to the helipad. Plenty of time to fly the 70 miles. There is even chatter on the scanner record about an LAPD helo needing a fuel stop.

25 posted on 02/13/2013 5:45:35 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: gaijin

26 posted on 02/13/2013 5:47:04 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Eaker

Hey there you!! LOL..not sure what to think anymore. LAPD shooting up surfer dudes and newspaper people last week and now burning down private property. Wondering though if this will be how they come for our guns next. Just burn people out of their homes. That some cannot see the slippery slope astounds me. I could be wrong of course. Nice to see you around!! Tell TheMom hello!


27 posted on 02/13/2013 5:47:50 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: AppyPappy
Considering no one has posted an audio clip yet, I take it with a grain of salt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w

1:01 - "We're going to go forward with the plan, with the burn."

1:28 - "Burners deployed and we have a fire"

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Convinced?

28 posted on 02/13/2013 5:49:51 PM PST by Ken H (Note to self: ALWAYS use the '/s' tag, even when you don't think it's necessary.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Assault-STYLE rifle.

My bad.

29 posted on 02/13/2013 5:51:10 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I’d say it’s a case of plausible deniability.

They didn’t want it to come to trial, because it would be a race-baiting clown circus, with the media jumping through hoops.

Also, possibly, because he was fired earlier from the LAPD not for lying about his fellow cops, but because he spoke out when he was supposed to shut up and go along with it. That would by no means excuse his going around shooting people, including innocent victims who had nothing to do with his firing. But it might explain why the LAPD wanted him dead.

Also, he was going around shooting LEOs all over the place, which is not a permissable activity.

This appears to have been rough justice. On the other hand, even if his charges against the LAPD were true—which is in question—I think he had earned the death penalty for many deliberate murders, and more in the future if he was given the chance. And California has no death penalty for murder.

I don’t like to see cops taking the law into their own hands—but that’s what happens when the justice system breaks down.


30 posted on 02/13/2013 5:52:20 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Eaker

Hey thanks Eaker! Here is what I posted on the other thread if anyone is interested:

Here are the times and what I tweeted(just went back and wrote it all down) Keep in mind time for typing and that this was after Dorner had holed up in the cabin and the shoot out in the street.

4:26 pm orders heard given not to fire on house unless something seen coming from house
4:29 cops say they have plenty of help up here, no more officers needed
5:00 reports of checking missing person report and possible hostages
5:57 heard them say they were going to the ‘burn plan’.
6:15 report of possible gas coming ‘from the house’
6:17 ‘burners deployed’ and ‘we have fire’
6:20 called for fire engines
6:21 shots fired from inside house
6:23 ammo exploding

Those are times and contents of my tweets while listening to the scanner for those interested. I also lost scanner feed for a time before all of this came in loud and clear.


31 posted on 02/13/2013 5:52:20 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: llevrok; Las Vegas Ron
The guy asked for - and recieved - suicide by cop. A fate often sought by these spree killers.

And that exonerates the cops from acting as Judge, Jury, and Executioner, how?
32 posted on 02/13/2013 5:53:03 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: gaijin

Did anyone on FR not think that as soon as this guy showed his face he would be dead in a few minutes? I just assumed they’d kill him and there’d be no trial.


33 posted on 02/13/2013 5:53:38 PM PST by virgil
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To: SoConPubbie

eye for an eye.


34 posted on 02/13/2013 5:55:43 PM PST by llevrok (The only thing Obama has achieved are rapid executive orders.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Don’t care if they offed the dude. Just make sure the owner gets 100% of everything he lost.


35 posted on 02/13/2013 5:58:46 PM PST by Starstruck
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To: Las Vegas Ron

What another brainless remark—”...did not intend...”.

When you lob pyrotechnic tear gas into a dwelling, there is a high likelihood it will start a fire. And with no fireman around to put it out, there is a further high likelihood it will burn out of control. And when it burns outta control there is also a high likelihood it will burn the building down. So these are the guys with the guns and who do not want us to have em.


36 posted on 02/13/2013 5:58:58 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: cripplecreek

Wasn’t J.W. Booth burned out?


37 posted on 02/13/2013 6:01:07 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: penelopesire

Will suck to be an LA cop when the worm turns.


38 posted on 02/13/2013 6:03:12 PM PST by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Soon the Reverends will drag Droners mom through the different hate America channels.

He shot and killed an unarmed woman.

In the progressive world of Bill Maher, Rachael Maddow, etc, he is a hero.


39 posted on 02/13/2013 6:05:44 PM PST by NoLibZone (It's time folks. It's time. Posting aint gonna cut it.)
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So what's the problem..dont get it.

The guy had already killed 4 cops..Burn baby burn..

40 posted on 02/13/2013 6:05:46 PM PST by montanajoe
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“We did not burn it down on purpose”

Oh no thats why there are audio tapes of you cops yelling “burn the MF” and other choice tidbits with the words burn involved.


41 posted on 02/13/2013 6:06:09 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Lots of dead bodies floating in a sea of lies.


42 posted on 02/13/2013 6:06:39 PM PST by microgood
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To: penelopesire

“Burners” are pyrotechnic Tear Gas canisters.


43 posted on 02/13/2013 6:07:00 PM PST by NoLibZone (It's time folks. It's time. Posting aint gonna cut it.)
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To: Graybeard58

The barn was on fire.

http://www.civilwarhome.com/booth.htm

>>We threatened to burn the barn if he did not surrender; at one time gave him ten minutes to make up his mind. Finally, Booth said, “Oh; Captain, there is a man here who wants to surrender awful bad:” I answered, and I think Mr. Baker did at the same time, “Hand out your arms.” Herold replied, “I have none.” Baker said, “We know exactly what you have got.” Booth replied, “I own all the arms, and intend to use them on you gentlemen.” After some little parley I said, “Let him out.” Some one objected. I ordered Garrett, the younger son, who had the key, to unlock the barn, which he did. I partially opened the door, and told Herold to put out his hand, which he did. I then told him to put [out] his other hand. I took hold of both his wrists and pulled him out of the barn. Almost simultaneous with my taking Herold out of the barn the hay in the rear of the barn was ignited by Mr. Conger, and the barn fired. Sergt. Boston Corbett, Company L, Sixteenth New York Cavalry, shot the assassin Booth, wounding him in the neck.<<


44 posted on 02/13/2013 6:07:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: montanajoe

Worse , the liberal cult hero killed an unarmed women.

They could have used sarin gas on his dumb ass for all I care.

I hope he suffered greatly.


45 posted on 02/13/2013 6:11:19 PM PST by NoLibZone (It's time folks. It's time. Posting aint gonna cut it.)
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To: virgil

Exactly. The guy was a cop-killer. There’s an age-old American tradition of cop-killers not exactly making it far. This was hardly some wildly new scenario. It was downright expected. Just a shame an innocent cabin bit the dust.

Heck, I recall locally here in Texas, when I was in college, a couple of troopers were transporting a convicted multiple-murderer from one prison to another. Well, they stopped at a place for some coffee. And the handcuffed convict “supposedly” tried to escape by jumping out of the car and running into the woods. He had a bullet in his back before he got beyond sight of the car. Exit one scumbag. Nobody even made a stink!


46 posted on 02/13/2013 6:11:25 PM PST by greene66
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To: gaijin

So it is just a coincidence that the incident avoids a long drawn out, intensely covered trial of a black man in Los Angeles, with the chances of a riot at the end.

Lucky coincidence.

47 posted on 02/13/2013 6:15:38 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Pyrotechnic tear gas has been gone from the barricaded suspect repertoire for the past 30 years for exactly this reason. In the 60 s and 70s we burned down houses just about anytime the old Flight rite round went in.

Unacceptable today. Non-pyro aerosol rounds have been around for three decades. Micro crystallized CS blowers, etc.

But then again wild bursts of gun fire at innocent civilians is also considered impolite. My esteemed colleagues on the left coast seem to have lost their minds. They are after all creatures and products of their parent political systems.


48 posted on 02/13/2013 6:16:42 PM PST by SargeK
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To: Cicero
I don’t like to see cops taking the law into their own hands—but that’s what happens when the justice system breaks down.

It's what happens when apologists issue apologias, rather than demanding government officials act according to law.

49 posted on 02/13/2013 6:18:11 PM PST by Ken H (Note to self: ALWAYS use the '/s' tag, even when you don't think it's necessary.)
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To: montanajoe
The guy had already killed 4 cops..Burn baby burn..

Ya know, in some ways I agree with you.

There was a time when I believed that what I heard reported was the truth, today I'm not so sure.

I find today I have have skepticism on just about everything.

Sad to say ;(

50 posted on 02/13/2013 6:18:58 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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