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Sheriff: Cabin not purposely burned in firefight
AP ^ | Feb 13, 7:47 PM EST | GREG RISLING and TAMI ABDOLLAH

Posted on 02/13/2013 5:12:34 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron

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To: NoLibZone

Not doubting you, but where do we have proof of this term meaning what you say it means? I have seen that said today, but no collaboration of where to go look for the facts.


51 posted on 02/13/2013 6:20:57 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I find today I have have skepticism on just about everything. Sad to say ;(

Not so sad, imo. It shows you can still learn. I go by this dictum:

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856 - 1950

52 posted on 02/13/2013 6:23:53 PM PST by abb
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To: montanajoe
The guy had already killed 4 cops..Burn baby burn..

There was only one solution to this problem. Neither side was going to give an inch.
53 posted on 02/13/2013 6:24:26 PM PST by microgood
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To: penelopesire

Very nice and concise!

TheMom sez howdy back.

See ya at the Shoot??


54 posted on 02/13/2013 6:25:06 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Cicero
And California has no death penalty for murder.

Eh? We have the death penalty in CA. It's just that he would have likely died of old age before the switch was pulled.
55 posted on 02/13/2013 6:25:46 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: SgtHooper
What another brainless remark—”...did not intend...”.

It's called plausible deny-ability.

56 posted on 02/13/2013 6:26:35 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: microgood
There was only one solution to this problem. Neither side was going to give an inch.

So is the sheriff lying about the fire not being intentional, in your opinion?

57 posted on 02/13/2013 6:27:17 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Eaker

Yep..we will be there! Can’t wait to see everybody!!


58 posted on 02/13/2013 6:29:19 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

http://youtu.be/SCdqybEfy9w


59 posted on 02/13/2013 6:30:46 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Starstruck
Don’t care if they offed the dude.

Hmmm?

60 posted on 02/13/2013 6:33:47 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: penelopesire; TheMom

TheMom bought her a little rifle because it was “pretty”.

If you are real nice she might let you shoot it!


61 posted on 02/13/2013 6:35:19 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Every time I pull the trigger of a loaded gun, a bullet comes out. Not intentional, I just was pulling the trigger.


62 posted on 02/13/2013 6:37:33 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Eaker

I will be very good, I promise...LOL!!


63 posted on 02/13/2013 6:40:03 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

So how soon after the media copters were ordered out of the area did the order go out to the burn teams? Just as soon as the area was cleared so as their actions couldn’t be video recorded?


64 posted on 02/13/2013 6:45:39 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: null and void
Hmmm?

Read his manifesto. He wanted to be offed. He killed LAPD and San Bernadino cops so they wanted to off him. You knew he was going to be offed. I knew he was going to be offed. Since we went into this whole scenario knowing the outcome, why should I care? I want the maids to get their million. I want the Hispanics (truck and bodies shot up) and the other dude (truck shot up) to get their millions and I want the cops responsible for innocent civilian involvement to be fired and prosecuted. That is my Hmmmmm.

65 posted on 02/13/2013 6:53:06 PM PST by Starstruck
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To: Starstruck

It just puzzles me that in this day and age (of Bill Ayers and Obama) that any FReeper would think murder under the color of authority is preferable to a jury trial and execution.


66 posted on 02/13/2013 6:58:37 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Newbomb Turk

You must be awfully skinny with wings.

Like a hummingbird....


67 posted on 02/13/2013 7:02:38 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Starstruck
I want the maids to get their million.

Me too.

They won't.

The information didn't lead to his arrest...

68 posted on 02/13/2013 7:02:55 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Chuckster
Not just any assault rifle, but a LARGE assault rifle. No! Not just a LARGE assault rifle, but a LARGE assault-Style rilfe !!

What boobs the MSM writers are.

69 posted on 02/13/2013 7:09:01 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: greene66

Your guy, however, was already convicted...found guilty by trial after the evidence had been weighed. With Dorner, there won’t be a trial and we won’t see the evidence.


70 posted on 02/13/2013 7:10:49 PM PST by virgil
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To: penelopesire
TheMom's is the one in the top of the picture.


71 posted on 02/13/2013 7:14:32 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: null and void
“It just puzzles me ...that any FReeper would think ...”

I think you have inadvertently nailed the difference between Libertarians and Conservatives.

Libertarians generally are fiscally conservative liberals..

Conservatives generally have the philosophy that if you kill me, my family, my cops or our soldiers we're gonna kill you right back.... IMHO

72 posted on 02/13/2013 7:15:04 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

Do you prefer the execution before or after a trial?


73 posted on 02/13/2013 7:17:24 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: montanajoe
Conservatives generally have the philosophy that if you kill me, my family, my cops or our soldiers we're gonna kill you right back.... IMHO

Wrong.

Conservatives believe in the rule of law, undergirded by morality.

The Cops who purposefully fried this guy weren't acting from this principle, but from revenge and they took the law into their own hands.
74 posted on 02/13/2013 7:20:52 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: null and void
It just puzzles me that in this day and age (of Bill Ayers and Obama) that any FReeper would think murder under the color of authority is preferable to a jury trial and execution.

I would have preferred the trial, but I can read the actions of both sides and determine that it was not going to happen. If Dormer had indicated he was willing to go the trial route I would agree with you. He wasn't, so my outlook is not the same as yours.

75 posted on 02/13/2013 7:24:24 PM PST by Starstruck
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To: Eaker

Very pretty indeed! I want one too...lol!!


76 posted on 02/13/2013 7:25:17 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Starstruck

Fair enough.


77 posted on 02/13/2013 7:26:13 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: montanajoe
Conservatives generally have the philosophy that if you kill me, my family, my cops or our soldiers we're gonna kill you right back.... IMHO

If it had been a victim's family member carrying this out as a personal vendetta, I would have sympathy. That's not what this was, though.

This was a police force acting under color of law, and you apparently are willing to justify it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

78 posted on 02/13/2013 7:27:42 PM PST by Ken H
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To: null and void
murder under the color of authority is preferable to a jury trial and execution.

Yes, that seems to be the prevailing view here. Incredible, isn't it?

Somehow the lessons of our own revolution have been lost, even on our own semi-informed citizens.

79 posted on 02/13/2013 7:29:01 PM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: null and void

>> “It just puzzles me that in this day and age (of Bill Ayers and Obama) that any FReeper would think murder under the color of authority is preferable to a jury trial and execution.” <<

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Nah! - You’re no more puzzled than I am. We have some of the biggest statist thugs on Earth here.


80 posted on 02/13/2013 7:36:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: null and void
The cops were engaged in a firefight with a known cop killer. They took whatever means necessary to kill the guy I don't have any problem with that at all....

Worrying about giving the guy a trial and risking further lives to try to bring that about is foolish. Its the way liberals think and why I could never support a Libertarian for any elective office..no matter how Conservative they profess to be..

81 posted on 02/13/2013 7:39:10 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: penelopesire; NoLibZone

>> “Not doubting you, but where do we have proof of this term meaning what you say it means?” <<

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It’s not a technical term, its SWAT slang.


82 posted on 02/13/2013 7:39:16 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; mickie
"No, no!" cried the Queen of Hearts to Alice, "Sentence first - verdict afterwards!"

Leni

83 posted on 02/13/2013 7:42:46 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: montanajoe

>> “ Its the way liberals think and why I could never support a Libertarian for any elective office..no matter how Conservative they profess to be.. “ <<

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Beginner talk.

Liberals and real libertarians are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

All but a small handful of the founders were libertarians. Hamilton may have been the only one that wasn’t.


84 posted on 02/13/2013 7:45:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Eaker

Nice!


85 posted on 02/13/2013 7:50:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Whatever it is, I just would like a citation somewhere where I can read it for myself. It would certainly make a difference in my mind because I heard them talking about burning him out. There are other audio recordings where the police clearly say..’burn the mf out’ . If that is just swat talk for tear gas, I have never heard it before....lol.


86 posted on 02/13/2013 8:01:12 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Starstruck
Don’t care if they offed the dude. Just make sure the owner gets 100% of everything he lost.

The cabin was part of a small resort on the upper reaches of the Santa Ana River. It apparently dated from the 1920's and was an example of the style of mountain cabin architecture of that era. You can read a description of the cabins in the complex at its website.

87 posted on 02/13/2013 8:23:05 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: penelopesire
It would certainly make a difference in my mind because I heard them talking about burning him out.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/tear-gas2.htm

CS gas is often referred to as "burners".

88 posted on 02/13/2013 8:25:01 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: montanajoe
The cops were engaged in a firefight with a known cop killer. They took whatever means necessary to kill the guy I don't have any problem with that at all....

It's far from clear there was an active firefight. There was a report of a single gunshot after the fire started, and multiple rounds cooking off in the fire.

From what I've gathered there were few shots fired before that, and it's not even clear if they were police or Dorner.

If you listen to the scanner feed at post #59 it's clear that there were no shots being fired even while the front door was being pried open. The door prier-opener reported blood splatter inside.

No shots are being fired, they know the occupant is injured, and at that point they decide to "deploy the burners as planned".

89 posted on 02/13/2013 8:29:39 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Appreciate the link but nowhere in the link did it say that the swat or military refers to CS as ‘burners’ from what I read. Perhaps you linked the wrong page.


90 posted on 02/13/2013 8:32:18 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: null and void

From LAPD pr: “I don’t think there’s going to be a reward,” he said. “Remember, it’s capture and conviction. There was no capture and no conviction. It’s kind of a no-brainer.”

So, not giving the reward is a “no-brainer”. So is a win-win w/dorners death.


91 posted on 02/13/2013 8:36:03 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
"Burners deployed and we have a fire."

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

92 posted on 02/13/2013 8:40:00 PM PST by Ken H
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To: penelopesire

It is slang. Try this or do a little research because apparently you aren’t going to believe anything I post.

http://www.drudge.com/news/165550/police-used-burners-dorner-standoff


93 posted on 02/13/2013 8:44:05 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: cyn

Clarify: “So (in LAPD thinking, it seems,) it is a win-win w/dorners death.


94 posted on 02/13/2013 8:44:53 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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To: Ken H
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

That's the problem. You are drawing conclusions based on emotion, not facts.

95 posted on 02/13/2013 8:46:06 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: null and void
they know the occupant is injured,

How?

96 posted on 02/13/2013 8:48:56 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
"Burners deployed and we have a fire."

Guess what? There was a real fire.

Plain English is plain English.

97 posted on 02/13/2013 8:55:05 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Alaska Wolf
Ummmm, oh, I dunno THE BLOOD SPLATTER???
98 posted on 02/13/2013 8:55:14 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Omg..you linked to the ‘Drudge Retort’? A left wing site?

Perhaps I should not trust anything you link for sure...lol.


99 posted on 02/13/2013 8:56:23 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Ken H

“burners deployed and we have a fire.” Said in matter-of-fact way, that the fire is expected result of deploying the burners. Then repeated back in just the same way.

Thanks for the link.


100 posted on 02/13/2013 9:01:26 PM PST by cyn (Benghazi...the travesty continues.)
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