Posted on 02/14/2013 1:41:38 PM PST by Sic Parvis Magna
Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, a declared candidate for the 2014 lieutenant governor's race, did not rule out supporting a statewide property tax to benefit public education funding, and he said that Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst has lost his "ability to sell" the issues.
Patterson, who made his comments Thursday during a TribLive conversation, said a statewide property tax, rather than local property taxes, “might be the answer” to the financing inequities in different counties. Such a move would require that a constitutional prohibition against that tax to be repealed.
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Personally, I think Patterson is right. A simplified tax structure will help tax payers and possibly keep the state out of court for the foreseeable future.
Unfortunately, he will probably tax a lot of heat for his support for a statewide property tax.
Should say “take” instead of “tax in that last sentence.
Jerry wants Texas to be California!
I don’t like it. We’ll end up with an additional tax.
Exactly. They will add an tax to the existing taxes. It will be the State of Taxes not Texas.
Property taxes are evil and abused, no matter if they are administered by local or state governments. Just say NO to them, period.
I had tentatively leaned to supporting Patterson. No more unless he refutes a state property tax.
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/johnny
Just another transfer of wealth scheme.
So, would we end up with a statewide school district?
Will Texas tell “rich” districts to keep subsidizing the “poor” ones?
I can annoy them personally on a regular basis, and have a much greater impact on their election.
/johnny
Sounds like Robin Hood Redux.
Robin Hood sucks!
Not sure how the state being involved would help.
Will that mean that the appraisal will be statewide too?
And then you will have to go to Austin to appeal your appraisal?
Don’t we already have that with “Robin Hood”?
Yeah, as draconian as our local property taxes are, the ability to restrain state politicos from going whole hog on a statewide property tax structure would be harder to manage.
Maybe it would help if we stop building high school football stadiums that NFL teams would envy.
but right now “rich” districts can spend additional money on themselves that won’t be allowed if the state controls the tax rates and they can’t add to what the states doles out to them.
We are going to end up with lowest common denominator schools statewide.
did not rule out supporting a statewide property tax to benefit public education funding,
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Take from the wealthy to give to the poor. Granted property assessment across the varying districts are anywhere near equal. Just look at some of the top football complexes amongst some of the high schools.
However education needs to be funded via some method be it property tax, sales tax, or some other method of taking the money from the populace.
A court just found the school financing scheme violates the law. We do need an overhaul but not a new tax without the old one going away.
Patterson is on the cusp of making a big mistake if he persists. I will campaign against anyone that is pro-statewide property tax.
There's a reason I have the Boot Dewhurst ping list.
/johnny
You could pour a billion more dollars into DISD, it ain’t gonna make a difference....you can lead a horse to water....
You have to love property taxes.
You earned money, and actually kept much less due to taxes.
With that left over money, you purchased land.
And the sleezy pieces of feces want to tax you again on it.
Each year.
And then take most of it when you kick the bucket.
Really, why do we take this cr...er....Obamastuff?
No doubt, but you’d have to convince local voter they don’t need them, since they’re the ones voting on those bonds. Still can’t believe how much the 1a school I attended spent on the new stadium; pretty ridiculous.
And if you think you “own” the land, let’s see just how long you’ll have it if you don’t pay our masters.
GeronL is right-we will end up with an additional tax, and it will never go away. It is a Robin Hood tax, too-”to the financing inequities in different counties”-just like the current system to fund school districts.
The property tax system as it pertains to the education system is already a forced redistribution of wealth, and needs to be gotten rid of, not added to. I’d prefer to see the fed out of the education business totally, and maybe privatize it completely.
Sounds like the plan..............
Based on previous discussions of this, I think the proposal was that the appraisals would still be local and the tax would be a percentage of your appraisal. I would need to go back and look that though to verify.
A bit overstated, gator. LOL.
I've been to the new stadium in Allen, and it was pretty impressive. Considering the HS has over 5000 students, the facilities will be in great demand.
I live in the Coppell ISD, and about half of our local taxes go to "poorer" districts throughout the state. To make up for it, we get nickeled and dimed to death on activity fees and "write a check" campaigns to offset some of that.
$3800 per year on my $165,000 house. Property taxes on my cars, motorcycle, jet ski,.
If you don't have it I would fight it tooth and nail because anyone who can levy and spend someone elses money is always wanting more.
Great...so, how does that help to improve education?
Whether it's a property tax, sales tax, etc., there will have to be a statewide tax for schools eventually, because the courts have already ruled the cap amounts to a statewide property tax and just trying to reform the system will mean the state is back in court again and again.
Also mentioned that I run the Boot Dewhurst pinglist on FR. :)
I worked hard for Cruz locally, because he's a conservative. I'll work just as hard to get rid of a liberal GOP-E type like Dewhurst.
Or Patterson, should he come down on the side of centralizing property taxes down in Austin.
/johnny
if local taxpayers in town A decide to raise their tax or bonds to spend a bit more, why does this disadvantage the people of town B who chose not to?
The state is already involved. They created the Robin Hood recapture program in the first place and the cap on property taxes, all while placing more of the funding burden on ISDs through mandates, etc. And throughout all of this the courts have ruled that the system is inequitable based on the Texas Constitution. All the “fixes” (like Robin Hood) have been in response to those court rulings. And after the next court ruling, we will have to come back find another “fix.” Either we get in front of this by creating a statewide tax - a) statewide property tax or b) increasing the sales tax - or we keep doing the same thing over and over and over again.
Are you dreaming? Yes, it would be great to simplify the tax structure but do you really think the multitude of taxing districts will go away or that the net tax will not INCREASE?
There are a lot of things about Texas that are a myth. One of them is value placed on all and nothing but opportunity.... it is only good as long as you are working. If you aren’t working it is likely you won’t be able to afford your property taxes.
You lose your work and you lose your ability to pay your property taxes which are just about as high as income taxes in other states but at least what you pay taxes on is a choice as long as you work.
This will turn out like the Franchise Tax which is staked in the loudly proclaimed principles of the Republic of Texas which does not allow for an income tax. Instead they just taxed gross income so even if you don’t profit you pay taxes. Brilliant. I’ll add that the tax also penalizes success since if you make over more than 10mm gross in ANY jurisdiction your Texas gross income Franchise Tax rate DOUBLES. If that isn’t liberal progressive taxation I don’t know what is.
SO, would that forbid local districts spending more with a local tax?
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Most likely...when I hear the word inequities I hear redistribute.
...statewide property tax, rather than local property taxes, “might be the answer” to the financing inequities in different counties.
Well somebody has to pay for all of those illegals.
“Inequities” is a cringe word
Get a rope.
“in great demand”
how many home games in a season? 4? 5?
very true
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> I don’t like it. We’ll end up with an additional tax.
Exactly. The won’t replace the standard city, school, and county taxes; they’ll end up just adding it on top. You know I was thinking how about a politician carbon tax based upon how much they talk out of both sides of their mouth. Surely it has to be causing some serious damage to the environment and contributing to global warming...also a tax on any legislation they draft that doesn’t apply to them.../s
RH was nothing but redistribution...funny that. If we ‘removed’ the major obstacle (illegals) this might not be in the news.
The big question is whether it will cost more than RH.
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