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California police chief: The idea that a gun is a defensive weapon is a ‘myth’
Washington Examiner ^ | February 14, 2013 | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 02/14/2013 2:15:06 PM PST by Zakeet

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For some inexplicable reason, James’ statement has become a subject of ridicule among gun owners online.

1 posted on 02/14/2013 2:15:15 PM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

California dreaming.


2 posted on 02/14/2013 2:16:59 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Zakeet

Probably better than throwing marshmallows.

Or running with scissors.


3 posted on 02/14/2013 2:18:03 PM PST by TomGuy
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I don’t think I have ever heard anything so stupid by someone who at least had “walking around” sense.


4 posted on 02/14/2013 2:18:54 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: Zakeet

It’s Kaliphornia - what does one expect?


5 posted on 02/14/2013 2:19:25 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Zakeet

So I guess he will disarm the police officers on his force? Or do they carry guns for offensive purposes, with the intention of initiating rather than responding to, stopping and deterring violence?


6 posted on 02/14/2013 2:20:00 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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Hmmm....The idea of a POLICE OFFICER as a defensive weapon is a myth...


7 posted on 02/14/2013 2:22:37 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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“A gun is an offensive weapon used to intimidate and show power,” he asserted, explaining to the audience that police officers don’t carry weapons to defend themselves, but to do their job in a “safe and effective manner.”

So what is this blow-dried girly-boy trying to say? His police use their weapons to intimidate and show power? Thanks - I’ll defend myself.

Nincompoop.


8 posted on 02/14/2013 2:22:37 PM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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California police chief: The idea that a gun is a defensive weapon is a ‘myth’

I'm willing to bet that neither James, nor ANY cop in California (also known as the land of fruits and nuts), do not check their weapons into the armory, but take them home at night.

9 posted on 02/14/2013 2:22:40 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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He’s right you know. It’s an offensive weapon to gun down homeless people in the streets and family pets when they >ahem< go to the wrong house.


10 posted on 02/14/2013 2:22:45 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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Hmmm....The idea of a POLICE OFFICER as a defensive weapon is a myth...ask the people Dorner shot...ask the Ft. Hood victims...etc.


11 posted on 02/14/2013 2:23:17 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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>>> James’ statement has become a subject of ridicule among gun owners online.

As it should be. Doesn’t HAVE TO BE a gun owner to ridicule the statement though.


12 posted on 02/14/2013 2:23:38 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Zakeet

and another one has inbibed the kool-aid.


13 posted on 02/14/2013 2:23:46 PM PST by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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The problem is his perspective on who owns the gun. In the hands of a robber or gangbanger any gun is an offensive weapon. It is used to intimidate and prevent resistance. Probably 99% of the people he deals with are s-—bags like this. In the hands of a good guy, the gun is used defensively or recreationally.


14 posted on 02/14/2013 2:24:14 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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then he and his fellow officers can just leave those “myths” in the station instead of carrying them on their hips....


15 posted on 02/14/2013 2:24:23 PM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE thatEARTH....Archimedes)
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Has the Police Chief been hanging out with the pResident?


16 posted on 02/14/2013 2:24:32 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Zakeet

Direct conclusion from his words: Police carry guns to intimidate and show power.

He is either stupid or repeating the words of the civil authorities who pay his salary.


17 posted on 02/14/2013 2:24:46 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Zakeet

So cops carry guns to “intimidate and show power”. Thanks for clarifying that, chief.


18 posted on 02/14/2013 2:24:54 PM PST by Bob
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I guess we also need to either disarm our military, or rename the Department of Defense.


19 posted on 02/14/2013 2:25:12 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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We could argue that the citizens are armed so that they can conduct their lives in a “safe and effective manner.”


20 posted on 02/14/2013 2:25:35 PM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Zakeet
Proof positive.

All the idiots (almost all) go to California.

21 posted on 02/14/2013 2:25:57 PM PST by grobdriver (Vivere liberi aut mori)
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Well, okay.

As soon as the cops of all stripes and the military put theirs down, I'll put mine down.

22 posted on 02/14/2013 2:26:27 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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You never want an armed govt and an unarmed populace.

Remember Tienanmen Square


23 posted on 02/14/2013 2:27:22 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Zakeet
"California police chief: The idea that a gun is a defensive weapon is a ‘myth’"

Yeah, we're hearing that fire is now the preferred defensive weapon.


24 posted on 02/14/2013 2:27:51 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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He’s decked out like a South American dictator in his uniform and all the stars on it.

Emeryville has 1.2 sq mi of land area and .8 sq mi of water and is a stones throw from Berkeley.

Can anyone say liberal?


25 posted on 02/14/2013 2:27:57 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: goodnesswins
.The idea of a POLICE OFFICER as a defensive weapon is a myth...ask the people Dorner shot...

And ask the citizens that the other police shot whilst looking for Dorner ...

26 posted on 02/14/2013 2:28:36 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Emeryville -- adjacent to Berkeley and Oakland... I guess the idiocy just oozes over the borders.
The commie's dream is to disarm the people. Walking in the footsteps of their heroes (Lenin, Stalin, Mao ...).
27 posted on 02/14/2013 2:28:40 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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police officers don’t carry weapons to defend themselves,

Oh, the heck they don't.

28 posted on 02/14/2013 2:28:40 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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He might want to take a look at Detroit where there are about 5 defensive shootings per week. In fact, Detroit leads the nation in justifiable homicide.


29 posted on 02/14/2013 2:29:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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He Looks like Cliff Clavin in that pic!
30 posted on 02/14/2013 2:29:16 PM PST by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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The idea that they are “Peace” Officers is a myth.


31 posted on 02/14/2013 2:29:51 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

I guess we also need to either disarm our military, or rename the Department of Defense.,,,

Before my time it was called the War Department or so I was told.


32 posted on 02/14/2013 2:29:51 PM PST by Hang'emAll (If guns kill people do pencils misspell words?)
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To: Zakeet

I cant believe he actually believes that idiotic comment. If he did he should be barely capable of passing high school.


33 posted on 02/14/2013 2:29:57 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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Hellofa post!!

Good job!!

34 posted on 02/14/2013 2:30:01 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LAVE)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
I guess we also need to either disarm our military, or rename the Department of Defense.

Back when we had a Department of War, we used to win wars.

35 posted on 02/14/2013 2:30:21 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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“A gun is an offensive weapon used to intimidate and show power,” he asserted,...

That's why cops have guns, right, Chief?

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." - Mao Zedong

36 posted on 02/14/2013 2:30:29 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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A gun is an offensive weapon used to intimidate and show power...but they wear them to help safely do their jobs.

This man, and his entire department, should be brought up on charges for excessive abuse - as he himself admitted that he and his officers carry guns to intimidate and show power over the people in his city!

Plain and simple, either it is a defensive weapon, or you are purposefully intimidating the people of your city; how is this not an abuse of power?

But, here are the big questions:
You need a gun to collect information about the dead (since you showed up two hours after the murder)?
You need a gun to write a report about the house, bank or business which was robbed (since you showed up 24-36 hours after the event)?
You need a gun to safely eat your donuts?!?!?

These gun-grabbers are out of their effing minds! And this one may be trying to become President of the effing IDIOTS!
37 posted on 02/14/2013 2:31:27 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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California police chief: The idea that a gun is a defensive weapon is a ‘myth’

And last week another chief? in Mississippi wanted everybody to turn in their guns so that they wouldn't be stolen? Where do these mental midgets come from? Mars? Under rocks? These so-called "chiefs" are complete morons. Glad I don't live in their towns.

38 posted on 02/14/2013 2:31:30 PM PST by GoldenPup
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“A gun is an offensive weapon used to intimidate and show power,” he asserted, explaining to the audience that police officers don’t carry weapons to defend themselves..."

Remind me to never go to Emmeryville. This police chief is a nut-job. His officers carry firearms to intimidate and show power. Wow, that says a lot about what his view of police powers involves. I have a concealed carry license and do. What the not-so-good police chief is talking about sounds a lot to me like the legal definition of brandishing. Concealed carry is just the opposite of brandishing. It is the ability to use deadly force (when appropriate) without calling attention to yourself prior to the use of deadly force.

39 posted on 02/14/2013 2:32:34 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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I love how these public statements are always released at a presser with a bunch of serious-faced people standing around on the podium. Reminds me of this:


40 posted on 02/14/2013 2:33:26 PM PST by Disambiguator
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“A gun is an offensive weapon used to intimidate and show power,”...when in the hands of the LAPD.


41 posted on 02/14/2013 2:33:47 PM PST by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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You need a gun to safely eat your donuts?!?!?

Dude ... have you ever eaten a donut?

Them things are mean ... grab one out of a box, and the other 11 jump up and try to do you in.

42 posted on 02/14/2013 2:34:15 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Disambiguator

Who’s the token white guy in the upper right?


43 posted on 02/14/2013 2:34:27 PM PST by dfwgator
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“A gun is an offensive weapon used to intimidate and show power,” he asserted, explaining to the audience that police officers don’t carry weapons to defend themselves, but to do their job in a “safe and effective manner.”

so much for protect and serve.


44 posted on 02/14/2013 2:34:45 PM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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Not California but just Emeryville. Emeryville is a small city It is located in a corridor between the cities of Berkeley and Oakland.

Need I say more.


45 posted on 02/14/2013 2:35:00 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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Token White Guy frowns on your shenanigans, too.


46 posted on 02/14/2013 2:35:39 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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“A gun is an offensive weapon used to intimidate and show power,”

More accurately: “A gun may be used to intimidate and show the capacity to use force or to actually use force.”

This can be done for an offensive or defensive purpose, depending on the bearer of the gun. That’s important because any so called “problem” is not due to guns but to the people who misuse them.

Lots of people use guns in self defense without firing a shot because they intimidate aggressors by showing they have the capacity to use force.

Lots of criminals use guns to commit crimes without firing a shot because they intimidate victims by showing they have the capacity to use force.

In some or many places it is illegal to use a gun to show the capacity to use force in self defense. It’s called brandishing. It forces people to wait until they are sure they are in danger of death or great bodily harm and must shoot to protect themselves. That gives an edge to the aggressor.


47 posted on 02/14/2013 2:35:41 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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Actually the military teaches something that is quite at odds with this police chief is saying. Your pistol is a last ditch defensive weapon that is used when you are separated from your rifle or are otherwise defenseless and being pursued by the enemy.
48 posted on 02/14/2013 2:36:29 PM PST by SpaceBar
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> Hmmm....The idea of a POLICE OFFICER as a defensive weapon is a myth...

True they are pretty much a reactive force at that and overloaded often


49 posted on 02/14/2013 2:37:26 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Zakeet
That idiot should NOT carry a gun.
That idiot should NOT be in the police force.
That idiot should NOT be an American.

The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You cannot protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.


Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember: Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .
50 posted on 02/14/2013 2:37:41 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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