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Carnival Triumph Tow Rope Breaks, Prolongs Passengers’ Misery
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Posted on 02/14/2013 4:33:20 PM PST by SMGFan

The passengers of the Carnival Triumph (probably) never imagined that they’d get to extend their trip by several days. They certainly didn’t picture themselves living like 19th-century steerage passengers, if 19th-century steerage passengers had cans of Pringles and defecated in plastic bags.

The cruise ship, as you may recall, had an engine room fire on Sunday, stranding the ship in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal power, sanitation, and access to hot food. If the passengers of the Triumph needed anything, it was for their return to shore to be delayed even further. Naturally, earlier this afternoon the rope attaching the ship to the tugboat that’s bringing it to the port of Mobile. That held up the slow, slow voyage for about an hour until the rope could be repaired. Towing a giant ship is a slow process, and they’re due at the port of Mobile sometime between 10 p.m. and midnight. Passengers are now close enough to shore that they can wave signs at CNN’s helicopters and post to Twitter and Instagram.

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If they were sinking they would have been evacuated immediately. /s

Couldn't they have evacuated the 4,000 people earlier? Too costly? Not necessary?

1 posted on 02/14/2013 4:33:23 PM PST by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

4,000 people? You’d probably need 5 or 6 good-sized ships. And no guarantee the conditions on those won’t become as bad.


2 posted on 02/14/2013 4:35:53 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SMGFan

I’d bet that evacuation at sea would be quite dangerous and by the time it would take to set up a process to do it safely, they could be in port and off loaded.


3 posted on 02/14/2013 4:38:00 PM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: SMGFan

I say we start a petition to send the First Family on a Carnival Cruise.


4 posted on 02/14/2013 4:39:13 PM PST by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: 1rudeboy

They would have gotten better treatment if they had sunk like the Titanic. I assume there would be enough lifeboats for everyone and therefoe they could use them to transfer to other rescue ships. Or do a transfer of passengers at sea.


5 posted on 02/14/2013 4:41:43 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: SMGFan

I can’t imagine anything that could wrong when evacuating 4000 geriatrics and drunk slops from one ship to another in 10 foot seas.


6 posted on 02/14/2013 4:42:01 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: SMGFan

these things should come with oars, imagine 3,400 passengers and 1,000 crew members rowing.....

“Row, Row, Row your boat...”


7 posted on 02/14/2013 4:42:07 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SMGFan

These passengers are going to have a great story to tell, they are going to get a refund, they will almost certainly get a free cruise voucher and who knows what other freebies from Carnival, many will be on TV, some will write books, a few will find a way to get a realityTV gig out of it, etc. I just don’t buy that this is all that harrowing. The people are completely safe, the boat isn’t going to capsize. It’s a big adventure!


8 posted on 02/14/2013 4:43:25 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: SMGFan

I understand that although ICKY , this isn’t an emergency ,, as to why the slow response ,, I believe the ship is Bahamian flagged , call Nassau and complain to someone there.. not a USA problem. At least they didn’t run this one aground and kill people... although I fail to see how they couldn’t make temporary repairs and get SOME of the engines running...


9 posted on 02/14/2013 4:45:51 PM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I'm just amused.)
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To: SMGFan

I can’t even imagine what a place like that becomes as a disease-plagued, sewage-laden, crime-riddled SHTF hellhole becomes, when everything goes wrong. The SuperDome in NOLA during Katrina quickly comes to mind. No one’s fully-prepared for the desperation which quickly comes, and a rescue seems to take forever.

Reason #1 why I’ve never gone on one.


10 posted on 02/14/2013 4:46:25 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: Longbow1969

You’re too realistic.
That doesn’t fit in with the MSM hype.

CNN seems to think this is because the ship employs foreign nationals.

Could you imagine the costs/quality of cruises if they were manned by unionized US employees?


11 posted on 02/14/2013 4:47:00 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: SMGFan

I found a FREE set of tickets for a Carnival Caribbean Cruise in the mail last night LOL

I dropped them in the trash.
Bon voyage “Poop Sloop”!!! LOL


12 posted on 02/14/2013 4:47:48 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Longbow1969

Good idea for a tv show. Call it Survivor. (nevermind)


13 posted on 02/14/2013 4:48:04 PM PST by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: NativeSon
I’d bet that evacuation at sea would be quite dangerous and by the time it would take to set up a process to do it safely, they could be in port and off loaded.

My wife asked the same question and I reminded her. We have been on quite a few cruise ships. I said look at the people. Now Carnival generally has a younger population but I would imagine that 20% of the guests use canes, walkers, and electric chairs. How do they get these people off the ship and onto another one. That would be extremely difficult to handle, even into the lifeboats and then to the other ship. Of course they do not need ladders to get on the other ship but they still have to dock at the tendering door(s) and in the open sea that can be rough.

14 posted on 02/14/2013 4:48:29 PM PST by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: Longbow1969

Without power it’s bound to be really nasty ,, toilets (vacuum operated) don’t flush , no air movement (portholes generally don’t open) , no power to cook whatever food didn’t spoil (most food is fresh/refrigerated loaded at departure time) ,, even for juice/water there is no power to desalinate and make water or operate any of the cafeteria equipment ...


15 posted on 02/14/2013 4:49:50 PM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I'm just amused.)
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To: Ciexyz

The Carpathia picked up 700-plus Titanic survivors from their lifeboats in a matter of hours. Four or five hours, and those boats were scattered over a big stretch of water. After the fact, the Captain was given the option of doing a transfer at sea to a larger ship and he declined, saying it would be too traumatic for the survivors. But it would have been possible.


16 posted on 02/14/2013 4:50:16 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: carriage_hill
Remember during Winter storms, etc passengers were let on the airport tarmacs in bad conditions for hours. Instead of returning to the terminal.

Not a fun cruise. Worse than being in Hudson County w/o power for a week after Sandy.

17 posted on 02/14/2013 4:51:40 PM PST by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: carriage_hill

No one’s fully-prepared for the desperation which quickly comes
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I’d commandeer some rum from one of the duty free shops , tell them to charge my room and relax ,, not much else to do...


18 posted on 02/14/2013 4:52:55 PM PST by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I'm just amused.)
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To: Neidermeyer

I heard they were reduced to making onion sandwiches.
No liverwurst no mustard, Nothin!


19 posted on 02/14/2013 4:54:06 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: carriage_hill

Seems like these people would understand that we now have airplanes that will take them from point A to point B and without having to tromp through raw sewage and get you to your destination in a couple of hours.


20 posted on 02/14/2013 4:54:46 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: SMGFan
Just heard a guy interviewed on Fox via his cell phone. He was asked if he would take advantage of the free tickets being offered to the passengers as well as cash.

To his credit, he said SURE! He had nothing but praise for the crew members who were trying to accomodate all the 4,000 passengers during this horrendous ordeal.

I don't care what anyone says, you can't forsee every possible thing that can go wrong on a cruise ship, all you can do is have a plan to deal with whatever happens. And in this case, it sounds like the cruise line was doing just that.

Unfortunately, I suspect the majority of the passengers are going to try to take advantage of the "legal lottery" here.......

21 posted on 02/14/2013 4:57:30 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: ProudFossil

Exactly what I was thinking. Considering the population, the number and the panic... No way


22 posted on 02/14/2013 4:58:38 PM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: OKRA2012

Carnival = Chuck E Cheese of the high seas. Just add your own fight videos.

One screwup in the engine room & it’s seagoing Lord of the Flies. No thanks.


23 posted on 02/14/2013 4:59:56 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: OKRA2012

After TWA 800, I don’t fly commercially, either. If I can’t drive there, I don’t need to go there. And my CCW “etc” goes with me. I flew 250k+ miles/yr worlwide for Hertz RAC and NYC ad agencies, back in the 70s & 80s, and that was more than enough for this lifetime. LOL.


24 posted on 02/14/2013 5:03:14 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s Are The 21st Century's Muskets. Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!)
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To: SMGFan

They’re getting towed around? That’s a shore excursion for $125 in the Bahamas.


25 posted on 02/14/2013 5:07:37 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SMGFan
This is a big ship and the deck is several stories above the sea. It has no equipment to do a ship to a ship transfer.

The only way I could see to do it would be to cast off the passengers in lifeboats and have other ships present recover the passengers from the boats. 4,000 passengers floating around in lifeboats? It would be like herding cats, assuming no weather blows up. Bottom line is attempting a transfer would needlessly expose the passengers to safety hazards.

26 posted on 02/14/2013 5:09:52 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: mylife

Really are they by chance something that you could move to me?

If so send them over.


27 posted on 02/14/2013 5:10:45 PM PST by nomorelurker
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To: mylife

Really are they by chance something that you could move to me?

If so send them over.


28 posted on 02/14/2013 5:10:45 PM PST by nomorelurker
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To: nomorelurker

I am sure it was a scam deal.
At any rate they are gone.


29 posted on 02/14/2013 5:12:18 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Longbow1969

No matter how well Carnival handles the passengers in refunds, etc., they still have 4000 people that will be telling that story to at least 10 people of how bad it was. This is basic customer service math so now there are 44,000 people strongly biased against choosing Carnival for a cruise or even going on a cruise at all.


30 posted on 02/14/2013 5:12:51 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: SMGFan

We seem to have some carriers at loose ends. Maybe one of them?


31 posted on 02/14/2013 5:15:24 PM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: SMGFan

From what I read, the sanitary conditions are so bad that when the captain sounds the horn it makes a sound like a whoopee cushion.


32 posted on 02/14/2013 5:15:39 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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Evacuation would have been dangerous, though some ill passengers have been evacuated by helo.

As the ship enters Mobile Bay, cell phones should begin to work. The passengers will be able to see land on both sides, encouraging some, yet it is a long way up the Bay.

Its chilly in Mobile, 53F, & breezy. Down to 37F tomorrow AM. Standing/sleeping on deck is gonna get real uncomfortable as the night progresses. Hope these folks have some warm clothes.

Mobile Infirmary offered a triage station at port arrival but Carnival turned them down. After a week living in a cesspool, maybe feeling a little ill, I might want someone to take a quick look at me & give me some good advice.

33 posted on 02/14/2013 5:30:30 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: SMGFan

Who are we bullshitting!! I would have been swimming for shore by now...


34 posted on 02/14/2013 5:33:02 PM PST by Fedupwithit (You gave him what he wanted. I gave him what he needed.)
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To: SMGFan

I was just thinking. What will they do when they get to Mobile? I have been to those docks and I doubt they have much facilities.

Maybe they can get exterior power and get the ship’s systems to operate.


35 posted on 02/14/2013 5:34:31 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: SMGFan

I have a good friend of mine from High School on this ship. Can’t wait to talk to her.


36 posted on 02/14/2013 5:36:50 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: elcid1970

Instead of blowing in the conch, they crap in it...


37 posted on 02/14/2013 5:38:01 PM PST by Fedupwithit (You gave him what he wanted. I gave him what he needed.)
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To: SMGFan; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

One thing I learned in the Navy if I didn’t learn anything else: you don’t pull a big ship by a string!


38 posted on 02/14/2013 5:39:44 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: OKRA2012

And the TSA will molest you for no extra charge!


39 posted on 02/14/2013 5:46:53 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Walmartian

i will pay money for them to have a cabin on the SS Norovirus.


40 posted on 02/14/2013 5:49:25 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: All

The ship of the damned....abandon all hope to ye who enter here.

The future of America


41 posted on 02/14/2013 5:56:19 PM PST by Kolath
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To: SMGFan

My Love Will Go On!


42 posted on 02/14/2013 6:07:49 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SMGFan

The only way you could transfer them at sea is with another, empty cruise ship. Not many of them around. Doubling up with a cruise ship in the area would put that ship over the passenger limit—and cost them double on inconvenience rebates.

So, the best, most effective method is the one they are using.

The question I have is why are these fires happening in engines so often. Isn’t this the third or fourth one in the past few years?


43 posted on 02/14/2013 6:10:31 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Revolting cat!

Let them touch those things!!


44 posted on 02/14/2013 6:13:20 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: Vermont Lt
The question I have is why are these fires happening in engines so often. Isn’t this the third or fourth one in the past few years?

Perhaps having a crew made up of about 110 different nationalities could be a factor.

45 posted on 02/14/2013 6:15:12 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: SMGFan

“Good idea for a tv show. Call it Survivor.”

How about SURVIVOR: OBAMAVILLE


46 posted on 02/14/2013 6:15:28 PM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: SMGFan

I hear that Leni Reifenstahl is making a documentary about this ship.

It’s called “Triumph of the Swill”.


47 posted on 02/14/2013 6:16:46 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: T-Bird45
No matter how well Carnival handles the passengers in refunds, etc., they still have 4000 people that will be telling that story to at least 10 people of how bad it was. This is basic customer service math so now there are 44,000 people strongly biased against choosing Carnival for a cruise or even going on a cruise at all.

I'm thinking more like everybody who reads about this debacle will (a) never consider going on a cruise with Carnival or whatever they change their name to next week, and (b) be strongly disinclined to go on any cruise, ever.

I've never been on a cruise but have wanted to go on one of the Alaska cruises one day but now I'm not too sure.

48 posted on 02/14/2013 6:28:26 PM PST by VoiceOfBruck (#include <std.disclaimers>)
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To: Neidermeyer

Look at the bright side

Haven’t hit the rocks and sunk (YET) like the Carnival
ship off Italy........


49 posted on 02/14/2013 6:49:39 PM PST by njslim (St)
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To: Neidermeyer

Look at the bright side

Haven’t hit the rocks and sunk (YET) like the Carnival
ship off Italy........


50 posted on 02/14/2013 6:49:53 PM PST by njslim (St)
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