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Breaking: MN Democrats Introduce Law to Confiscate Guns… Using Same Language as MO Democrats
Gateway Pundit ^ | 2/14/13 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 02/14/2013 5:53:36 PM PST by Nachum

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101 posted on 02/15/2013 8:53:42 AM PST by CodeJockey
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To: Nachum

the left have always been organised and not in this country but they talk to other countries all the time and set their agenda throughout the world.

We on the other hand have a party which does nothing, we have talk radio for the most part which can;t even mention social issues and we just keep watching the elft ruin this country and the military.

Maybe millions of conservatives move out of their liberal socialist cess pits and make states like VA, NC, FL, CO, NM, more conservative and stop givng their hard earned money to socialist agendas.
Then we organise and stopmthe lefts radical agenda and bring back common sense like marriage , raising children, hard work, gun rights etc


102 posted on 02/15/2013 8:56:49 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: exit82

this is all being led by Chicago thugs just likle everything which happens today, their massive voter fraud and no there is no way they won the last election fairly feces pushing marriage, anti guns, anti fre speech, anti states rights, pro illegals to get their numbers up etc.


103 posted on 02/15/2013 8:59:47 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: tet68

you, I and man others know this but still too many on our side don;t know anything or just ut their heads in the sand.

The left have been talking to each other throughout the world, they nevr give up, the 20’s, then FDR, then the 70’s and now today.
Just look at how the left progresed through those times around the wworld,,

Mexico saw the radical left make war on Catholics, Wilson comes to power, etc, Tsars of Russia gone
then the rise of the NAZIS, Fascists in Italy,

Then the 70’s with Carter and the rise of the commies around the world

Now today with the Chicago thugs and other lefty power around the world.

They all talk to each other and never quit, they wait and wait for the right time and then push their agenda, , if it dones;t work then later they just reword it.

Our side has to stop reacting and be proactive, talk radio had better talk about social issues as well, hell why can;t talk radio, sites like this and the useless party called the GOP all meet and get common sense back to America?


104 posted on 02/15/2013 9:05:26 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: CodeJockey

Amen! Great poster!! That’s EXACTLY what needs to happen and is long overdue!!!


105 posted on 02/15/2013 9:08:16 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: West Texas Chuck
why not millions of us go to DC and camp outside the white house and stay there demanding the constitution be adhered to.

If that fails all the millions of gun owners, normal marriage, believe in hard work and the rule of law move out of their liberal cess pits and move to states like FL, NC, VA, CO, NM, OH, AND MAKE THEM MORE CONSERVATIVE.

without those states the left cannot win any election and therefore places like NY, Chicago, Detroit, Boston and DC can go to hell.
They can wallow in their socialist cess pits and have conservatives for once run this nation and have us telling them how things should be.

106 posted on 02/15/2013 9:09:55 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

why are the Democrats preparing to invade the civilian population?

It is very ussr of them to demand turnover. In the ussr it was merely shotguns.

It seems names and faces have to be placed with these democrats so they can have VIABLE primary challnegers.


107 posted on 02/15/2013 9:10:18 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: West Texas Chuck

in our street, there is only one guy with no guns and who hates guns and of course he;s the old, miserable , hermit ,always calling the county ratting guy from CT who seems to not understand this is not the north east.


108 posted on 02/15/2013 9:13:22 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Dead Corpse

should have said to Lincoln here are all the black slaves, you can have them and do what you must up there in DC, Chicago, NY, Boston etc and then we want away from DC.\\\All slavery did was to give Lincoln an excuse to use to keep Britain and France from helping the south and it worked.

Course don;t mention to loud mouth Bill O.R any of this or how Lincoln was thinking of sending them to Liberia, it might damage his brain and over shadow his book


109 posted on 02/15/2013 9:20:00 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Dead Corpse

should have said to Lincoln here are all the black slaves, you can have them and do what you must up there in DC, Chicago, NY, Boston etc and then we want away from DC.\\\All slavery did was to give Lincoln an excuse to use to keep Britain and France from helping the south and it worked.

Course don;t mention to loud mouth Bill O.R any of this or how Lincoln was thinking of sending them to Liberia, it might damage his brain and over shadow his book


110 posted on 02/15/2013 9:20:00 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: NFHale

come south pal, FL is always looking for good conservatives and we can even shoot in our back yards, have big fires and think marriage is for one man and a woman, oh and men don;t wear dresses in ths county


111 posted on 02/15/2013 9:23:13 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: longtermmemmory

there is a massive movement of left over commies, socilaists and Marxists who are runing this agenda, who in turn use the media which has all their cronies in it and then repeat talking points to the low info ignorant masses in this country.

We might have won the cold war over seas and the end of the commies there but they went underground here, waiting for their day to take over the white house and push us to their commie dream.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


112 posted on 02/15/2013 9:26:02 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Hey buddy! Good to hear from ya.

I’ve got family in Florida. Haven’t seen them in years...

I spent about two months in Miami in 1977 staying with an older sister and her husband. Loved it.

What I remember was Heat ... beach ... heat ... girls in bikinis ... humidity ... palm trees ... girls in bikinis everywhere ... blue, clear water ... girls in bikinis everywhere... and girls in bikinis everywhere ... it was very, very nice...especially at 17 years old... Hahah!!!


113 posted on 02/15/2013 9:45:47 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: OneWingedShark; sickoflibs
hey shark...

just for giggles, whats the requirements/prohibitions with charging every one of these *sworn servants* with conspiracy to deprive rights, and seeking the death penalty ???

afterall, the death of *resistors* is part of the push...

curious to your input...

114 posted on 02/15/2013 9:46:49 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Sawdring
I doubt it will become law.

The American People will never stand for Nationalized Health Care er Gun Confiscation Laws.

115 posted on 02/15/2013 9:58:00 AM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: manc

obama is targeting TX to convert it to democrat.

TX has to act now to protect itself.

Perhaps a proportionate county award of electoral votes and in state sentatorial electors in order to minimize damage from leftist urban areas.


116 posted on 02/15/2013 10:08:03 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Kentucky's terrain is not beneficial to invading forces, as both North and South discovered during the Civil War.

How many Tanks, or aircraft did they have?

All they have to do now is turn of the electric and close the roads and rivers, those that can't survive on their own will give up.

It all depends on how brutal the government is willing to get. Waco was likely a test case.

117 posted on 02/15/2013 10:11:46 AM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: Road Glide

Is that tanks I see being used against our citizens at Waco? Yeah I thought so, Posse come and got us, indeed.

118 posted on 02/15/2013 10:15:43 AM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs
hey shark...
just for giggles, whats the requirements/prohibitions with charging every one of these *sworn servants* with conspiracy to deprive rights, and seeking the death penalty ???

To seek the death-penalty, well, let's check the law:

18 USC § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Ok, so the underlined is the conditions which constitute applicable here. Definitely applicable. The italicized is a 10-year max sentence, and much easier to activate: simply resist arrest for violating the weapons-ban and you'll incur some nice injury (or death) -- unfortunately this is unlikely to be able to go "up-the-tree" and hit the lawmakers. To seek the death penalty for these lawmakers we need to look at the bold portion.

The problem we have here is that the language of the prohibition isn't exactly laying out the plan of kidnapping [or attempt thereof] in plain terms. So we have to look at the US Code definition of kidnapping:

(a) Whoever unlawfully seizes, confines, inveigles, decoys, kidnaps, abducts, or carries away and holds for ransom or reward or otherwise any person, except in the case of a minor by the parent thereof, when—
(1) the person is willfully transported in interstate or foreign commerce, regardless of whether the person was alive when transported across a State boundary, or the offender travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses the mail or any means, facility, or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce in committing or in furtherance of the commission of the offense;
We could argue that, as all commerce [and non-commerce] has been deemed "interstate commerce" for the sake of federal control (see Wickard v. Filburn & Gonzalas v. Raich [IIRC]), this means that the very act of the State paying the salaries of these representatives (and enforcement) qualifies as commerce -- The other thing, is if they use the USPS [for any reason] WRT the implementation of this law, makes any arrest attempts based thereof into kidnapping.

There is also the "death results from" or "attempt to kill" as well, this wold require proving that the proposed law is, in fact, an attempt to kill people. This sounds very much like "conspiracy theory" and therefore is going to be highly subjective on the part of the jury. -- Ideally it would be presented to the Grand Jury, pushing for them to issue a presentment. (Sadly, I haven't found a way to contact a grand jury.)

Next, let's look at this other law:

18 USC § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Now this law would be much more conducive to catching a conspiracy... for the obvious reason. The mere proposing of this law could be violation of this law; again the proposal-to-dead-people line needs to be drawn. I believe that line exists; however, legally proving that is a bit of a challenge. One that I'm not sure I could do in court.
119 posted on 02/15/2013 10:21:22 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Cheerio
Been to an ammo store lately?

I saw an auction yesterday for 3 bricks of 22 ammo, the bidding was up to $180.00 and there was still a week to go before bidding closed. WallyWorld had some 22 ammo come in a couple days ago, but somehow there are people that seem to know exactly when it arrives, never gets to the shelves.

120 posted on 02/15/2013 10:23:41 AM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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