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Airbus rejects lithium batteries after Boeing’s problems
suntimes.com ^ | 2-15-13 | FRANCINE KNOWLES

Posted on 02/15/2013 8:13:22 AM PST by rawhide

Airbus said it is dropping plans to use lithium-ion batteries on its new A350 airplane, under development, in the wake of problems with the batteries on Chicago-based Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner.

The Boeing Co. rival said, while it believes the battery architecture it has been developing and qualifying for is robust and safe, it will instead use nickel cadmium main batteries, which have a proven track record.

“Airbus considers this to be the most appropriate way forward in the interest of program execution and A350 reliability, Airbus said in a statement.

The entire fleet of 50 Boeing 787s was grounded by regulators globally last month after a battery fire on board a Japan Airlines plane parked in Boston and after battery problems and smoke in the cockpit forced an emergency landing by an All Nippon Airways 787 in Japan, prompting investigations by the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board as well as regulators in Japan.

The technologically advanced 787 is the first Boeing plane to use rechargeable lithium-ion batteries for its main electrical system. Such batteries are prone to overheating and have safeguards that were designed to prevent fires and contain a fire should one occur.

Reuters reported earlier this week that Airbus was considering dropping the lithium-ion battery to limit development risks on its $15 billion airliner. Industry executives, insurers and safety officials told Reuters the technology’s predictability was being questioned at senior levels as investigators struggle to find the cause of the battery problems on the 787.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airbus; batery; battery; boeing; electricity; energy; lithium

1 posted on 02/15/2013 8:13:34 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Oh for pete’s sake. These kids these days . EVERYTHING needs a battery!!


2 posted on 02/15/2013 8:17:29 AM PST by llevrok (Keep your arms out. ItÂ’ll make it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: llevrok

Are there no solar panels or wind generators???


3 posted on 02/15/2013 8:25:10 AM PST by Average Al
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To: rawhide

And aren’t lithiums the go to battery for the Chevy Volt?


4 posted on 02/15/2013 8:54:02 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: rawhide
So! They are going to use the inferior nickel cadmium batteries, not even the nickel metal hydride batteries that have replaced them in most applications.

    NiCd Batteries
  1. Lower capacity - about 70% vs. NiMH
  2. Severe memory effect
  3. Considered hazardous waste when recycled

5 posted on 02/15/2013 8:56:20 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: reg45

I know on NiMH didn’t have the problems like Lithium. Kind of funny, I bought a used 17” Mac Book Pro and the battery started to very slowly expand. Had to toss it and picked up one from the Apple store. I had them recycle the battery.

Even with the Lithium and NiMH, I discharge the battery before I recharge. Learned that with the NiCd batteries.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 9:03:25 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: CORedneck
Even with the Lithium and NiMH, I discharge the battery before I recharge. Learned that with the NiCd batteries.

Lithium batteries, thanks to having totally different chemistry, don't have as memory effect. You are wasting your time.
7 posted on 02/15/2013 10:40:52 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: reg45
They are going to use the inferior nickel cadmium batteries

There are a lot of 'inferior' things used to build an airplane. Those pesky engineers have the GALL to think that randomly blowing up or catching fire is a good enough reason to use something inefficient. That crazy guys, what are they thinking!?
8 posted on 02/15/2013 10:42:51 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: rawhide
safeguards that were designed to prevent fires and contain a fire should one occur.

So that first safeguard isn't really a safeguard, is it. What does the design consist of, crossed fingers?

9 posted on 02/15/2013 11:25:40 AM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: reg45

>>>So! They are going to use the inferior nickel cadmium batteries, not even the nickel metal hydride batteries that have replaced them in most applications.<<<

The article is incorrect. Airbus will stay with Lithium batteries but also will certify NiCd for A350 in case FAA runs wild. Airbus already uses Lithium batteries on A380. So I guess they have the right know how there.

In first place this is just a PR measure to relax the guys with zero knowledge at stock market. Batteries for A350 will be smaller than the ones on A380.


10 posted on 03/01/2013 5:20:43 AM PST by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: reg45

>>>So! They are going to use the inferior nickel cadmium batteries, not even the nickel metal hydride batteries that have replaced them in most applications.<<<

The article is incorrect. Airbus will stay with Lithium batteries but also will certify NiCd for A350 in case FAA runs wild. Airbus already uses Lithium batteries on A380. So I guess they have the right know how there.

In first place this is just a PR measure to relax the guys with zero knowledge at stock market. Batteries for A350 will be smaller than the ones on A380.


11 posted on 03/01/2013 5:21:14 AM PST by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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