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Missouri House Democrats introduce bill that would ban assault weapons (confiscation)
Examiner ^ | 2/14/13 | Keller

Posted on 02/15/2013 11:20:29 AM PST by pabianice

Dana Loesch Radio on Thursday revealed that representatives in the Missouri House have introduced a bill that would criminalize so-called “assault weapons” and high capacity magazines within the state.

Sponsored by Rep. Roy Ellinger and co-sponsored by Reps. Jill Schupp, Margo McNeil and Walton Gray, the bill gives Missouri gun owners 90 days after taking effect to surrender their firearms.

The bill partially reads:

4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:

(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;

(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or

(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.

5. Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.

The introduction of this bill follows several other anti-gun bills throughout the country, with the most notable being in New York. Last month, the state of New York passed the most restrictive gun control legislation in the country, criminalizing “assault” rifles and magazines that hold more than seven rounds, as well as requiring background checks for all private purchases and attempting to strengthen the mental health system.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; guncontrol; secondamendment; tyranny

1 posted on 02/15/2013 11:20:35 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

We need to ban the democRAT Party.

For the sake of the children, of course.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 11:22:30 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: pabianice

This is great! The ‘Pubbies need to get it out of Committee, on the Floor, and demand a Roll-Call Vote.

“Show” the people of Missouri and the USA that, yes, they do want to take your guns. And get names...


3 posted on 02/15/2013 11:23:54 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: pabianice

Unconstitutional....not that that matters to the Roberts court.


4 posted on 02/15/2013 11:24:35 AM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: pabianice
Dana Loesch


5 posted on 02/15/2013 11:28:12 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: pabianice; All

I don’t know about this specific case, but in general one way of handling the assault rifle (AR) problem might be this. In communities that worry about ARs, in line with the “well regulated militia” part of the Second Amendment, there could be a central repository/armory (in large cities, several) where for a small fee people could deposit their ARs and ammunition for safe keeping unless wanted to go target shooting or the like. This could also be a place where people going on vacation could leave their weapons to prevent having their homes broken into and stolen. If the mother who was killed by her crazy son with her AR could have deposited her weapons in a place like that, he would not have killed her for the key, and 26 people (20 children) would probably still be alive.

My recollection is that our patriots at Lexington and Concord had some such arrangement, and took the weapons out of storage to meet the Red Coats on the square.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 11:30:06 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Brilliant suggestion! Just freaking brilliant! Let’s all hand our guns over to the government! That way they can’t confiscate them.


7 posted on 02/15/2013 11:33:08 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: pabianice

Citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes: Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war.


8 posted on 02/15/2013 11:35:03 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Guns should not be illegal; they should be undocumented.)
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To: pabianice

I stand by to offer a safe-haven for any Missouri citizen owned high-capacity magazines or weapon (strictly following all state and federal regulations, that is).

Our state recognizes an “unorganized militia” which is protected by laws dating back to reconstruction.


9 posted on 02/15/2013 11:36:01 AM PST by Coffee... Black... No Sugar (I'm gonna' BICKER!)
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To: pabianice

Do they have a lexington Green in Missouri?


10 posted on 02/15/2013 11:49:55 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: ozzymandus; All

Keeping the guns in an Armory was a British law in 1776. However, it did not keep our patriots from using them. Local community control is the key, and I was only talking about the military style weapons. I am sure that if the local government turned out to be against the will of the people that there would be enough folks with rifles, shotguns, and pistols to make them see reason. For example, in many places sheriffs and judges are elected by the people.


11 posted on 02/15/2013 11:50:07 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
My recollection is that our patriots at Lexington and Concord had some such arrangement, and took the weapons out of storage to meet the Red Coats on the square.

Firearms and gunpowder stored in a central location were what the British were attempting to seize and destroy. It sure would've been easier than going from house to house.

BTW, the most compelling reason for such storage in those days was the need to store large quantities of loose gunpowder in a dry place, far from spark and flame. So it did make a certain amount of sense in historical context. Now, all such storage would do is make things easier for a government that is no longer worthy of our trust.

12 posted on 02/15/2013 11:53:12 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: ozzymandus

Yeah. go ahead and turn them in. Who will be in charge of this armoury? The county sherrif? Good luck getting them to release your weapons back to youif he decides not to.


13 posted on 02/15/2013 11:54:12 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: gleeaikin

The citizens on the frontier did not turn them into a central location. To do so would have been suicide. I bet the patriots at Le3xington and concord did not do so either. They may have stored weapons and ammo there but when they went to meet the British they simply pulled their rifles and muskets off the wall.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 11:58:30 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: Charles Martel; no-to-illegals; All

Thank you for that additional history information. However, I hope you have seen my second comment, #11, I think. Given today’s internet, I think it would be a lot easier for citizens to track any government plans for a crackdown, than was “one if by land, two if by sea” with a lantern in 1776.


15 posted on 02/15/2013 12:01:15 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

“If the mother who was killed by her crazy son with her AR could have deposited her weapons in a place like that, he would not have killed her for the key, and 26 people (20 children) would probably still be alive.”

Please pause and consider if that really makes any sense.

First of all, we have no idea if he ‘killed her for the key’....gee, he could have waited until she went to the grocery store, and got to the guns for all we know. Maybe....he just wanted to kill his mom.

And do you really believe a lack of an ‘assault weapon’ would have prevented his killing spree? Every single one of these school massacre guys has shown an incredible amount of patience, and resourcefulness...they get their jollies on the planning stage, so adding one more hurdle will just be seen as a challenge. The Columbine boys a) used straw buyers to get illegal guns and b) brought propane bombs with them. The Colorado guy - imagine how long it took him to patiently make his pipe bombs and booby trap his apartment. Loughner...no access to an AR, just used a pair of pistols.

Trivia question - why is Newtown billed as the worst school shooting in American history, but not the worst school massacre in American history?


16 posted on 02/15/2013 12:07:31 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: pabianice

I think the Sheriffs, and State Police, who are expected to do the confiscation if the law passes should notify the various, treasonous members of the Legislature that THEY, the legislators, should be the ones to go door to door to carry out the law. No police escort to be provided.


17 posted on 02/15/2013 12:16:01 PM PST by derSchurfer (When the Rule of Law is ignored good citizens will take the law into their own hands.)
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To: gleeaikin

What the heck are you doing on FR?

Are you going to tell the home invaders to wait an hour while you run out to get your weapons?


18 posted on 02/15/2013 12:18:41 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: gleeaikin

“...a central repository/armory...where for a small fee people could deposit their ARs and ammunition for safe keeping”

Not dismissing your idea out of hand, an armory/arms room could be considered IF

1. It is privately owned & operated. A large retail gun store/indoor range facility could build & operate an arms room for the benefit of black rifle owners who live in apartments or are uncertain of their own home’s security.

2. It is located in a gun friendly state with a preemption law against local gun control zealots, and without a Cuomonist style governor who might use emergency orders to seize stored weapons a la British at Lexington.

Otherwise, a central armory filled with privately owned firearms is a tempting target for gungrabbers.


19 posted on 02/15/2013 12:23:55 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: gleeaikin

****there could be a central repository/armory (in large cities, several) where for a small fee people could deposit their ARs and ammunition for safe keeping unless wanted to go target shooting or the like.****

Then there is nothing to prevent the government from seizing the storage facility and confiscate the guns which are all in one place.

Aristotle tells of a politician who called a meeting of the citizens who always came armed to the meetings. This politician told the people to store their arms in a temple while the meeting took place.

When the people got out they found the politician had sent his armed men to seize the temple, then he declared himself to be the monarch of the city.

General Gage required the citizens of Boston to turn in their weapons for storage at Faneuil Hall in Boston. They would later be returned to the citizens. He then seized the weapons and refused to return them.

http://www.bostonteapartyship.com/faneuil-hall

Ted Kennedy suggested that all guns be stored in government controlled arsenals years ago. The public didn’t bite.


20 posted on 02/15/2013 12:25:22 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Too old to cut the mustard any more.)
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To: gleeaikin

http://www.davekopel.org/2a/Foreign/arms-and-the-greeks.htm

In the sixth century BCE, a tyrant named Pisistratus took over Athens. Aristotle explained how the tyrant obtained absolute power by disarming the people of every city he controlled:

After his victory in the battle at Pallene he captured Athens, and when he had disarmed the people he at last had his tyranny securely established, and was able to take Naxos (a Greek island) and set up Lygdamis as ruler there. He effected the disarmament of the people in the following manner. He ordered a parade in full armour in the Theseum (a temple), and began to make a speech to the people.

He spoke for a short time, until the people called out that they could not hear him, whereupon he bade them come up to the entrance of the Acropolis, in order that his voice might be better heard. Then, while he continued to speak to them at great length, men whom he had appointed for the purpose collected the arms and locked them up in the chambers of the Theseum hard by, and came and made a signal to him that it was done.

Pisistratus accordingly, when he had finished the rest of what he had to say, told the people also what had happened to their arms; adding that they were not to be surprised or alarmed, but go home and attend to their private affairs, while he would himself for the future manage all the business of the state. (Aristotle, The Athenian Constitution, ch. 15, translated by Sir Frederic G. Kenyon)


21 posted on 02/15/2013 12:33:24 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Too old to cut the mustard any more.)
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To: pabianice

How about the good citizens of Missouri give these filthy little monsters 90 days to GTF out the USA and never return?


22 posted on 02/15/2013 1:09:52 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: pabianice

Anybody know if they have the votes to pass it?


23 posted on 02/15/2013 1:16:54 PM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: gleeaikin
Given today’s internet, I think it would be a lot easier for citizens to track any government plans for a crackdown, than was “one if by land, two if by sea” with a lantern in 1776.

The British were unsuccessful because the alarm spread faster than they could march. Today, a government intent on seizing an armory has a number of swift options, some of which were recently demonstrated over Miami and Houston.

24 posted on 02/15/2013 2:19:11 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: gleeaikin

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25 posted on 02/15/2013 4:42:47 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: elcid1970; All

Yes, this is the sort of thing that might work in some areas. Any repository would need excellent security. However, the house next to mine was broken into when the owner was home. Mine was broken into when I was away. Fortunately, my pistol was not found. There are advantages to clutter and this was one of them. ;-)


26 posted on 02/16/2013 12:18:56 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: elcid1970; All

Yes, this is the sort of thing that might work in some areas. Any repository would need excellent security. However, the house next to mine was broken into when the owner was home. Mine was broken into when I was away. Fortunately, my pistol was not found. There are advantages to clutter and this was one of them. ;-)


27 posted on 02/16/2013 12:19:17 AM PST by gleeaikin
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