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Immigrant advocates say no justice for ID theft
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | February 15, 2013 | CRISTINA SILVA, Associated Press

Posted on 02/15/2013 12:27:10 PM PST by moonshinner_09

PHOENIX (AP) — Should illegal immigrants using false documents to work face stiffer charges than college

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; az; falseids; fraud; illegals; immigration
Can you believe this ...Immigrant advocates.. They are accusing the Maricopa County Attorney's Office of bringing excessive charges against undocumented immigrants arrested for identify theft crimes.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio will not put with up this nonsense.. Illegals are getting to bold and demanding..

1 posted on 02/15/2013 12:27:15 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

They got too bold and demanding years ago, and now we’re paying the price for those who REFUSED to see it!


2 posted on 02/15/2013 12:34:09 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Their penalty SHOULD be much worse, since they are not only breaking laws in indentity theft, but are also breaking laws by entering the country illegally.

Boy, does this ever piss me off.


3 posted on 02/15/2013 12:36:30 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: moonshinner_09

they want to be able to drive illegally, steal you identity and get on welfare and crap....

laws don’t apply to them??


4 posted on 02/15/2013 12:38:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Might as well add, they will also want your car,house, bank account,savings account, etc,etc,etc..List grows daily


5 posted on 02/15/2013 12:47:59 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09; GeronL; AuntB

I caution everyone on this thread to carefully distinguish between illegal aliens, who are here illegally and break any number of laws to cover their tracks, and LEGAL Latinos who paid their dues, patiently went through the LEGAL immigration process (or their parents or grandparents did), and now work or go to school here — and frequently vote Republican.

The first type of Latinos is the enemy and if they get a chance to vote, you know they’re going to vote for Democrats every time. The second type is our friends — perhaps the best friends we could ever have.

All too often, what we see here is the first type of Latino preying upon the second type of Latino by stealing their identities. For example, if you have a brown-skinned job applicant appearing at your small business, and he has an accent that’s clearly from south of the border, and he hands you a stolen driver’s license that says he’s “Patrick Murphy,” it’s pretty obvious that he didn’t obtain that driver’s license legally, right?

But if he presents a stolen driver’s license that says he’s “Alex Gonzales,” how can you tell whether he’s legal or not?

That’s why the illegals prey on the LEGAL Latinos.

And the LEGAL Latinos are VOTING.

As a party, we need to reach out to the LEGAL Latinos, say what we need to say in a manner that is sensitive to them, and take action to protect them from these predators. They will reward us with their votes.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 1:01:34 PM PST by Bryan
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To: moonshinner_09

Even for the folks who think no immigrant is illegal, identity theft is illegal in anyone’s book. Using an American’s ID to work should be deportation right there. I don’t want to pay for them to sit in a US jail, just pack them up. If I stole another American’s ID, they would treat it very seriously.


7 posted on 02/15/2013 1:05:29 PM PST by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Deport them for life. Not only have they entered the country illegally, then have committed fraud by using another's identity and damaging that person's credit and credentials. Extract whatever financial remuneration is available from the thief and expel them forever.
8 posted on 02/15/2013 1:13:57 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: moonshinner_09

ID Teft should be treated like Horse theft in the old west....


9 posted on 02/15/2013 1:27:11 PM PST by GraceG
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To: rlmorel

Being an illegal immigrant should an aggravating circumstance to any and all crimes and violations.


10 posted on 02/15/2013 1:36:09 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Bryan; moonshinner_09; GeronL

Bryan: “I caution everyone on this thread to carefully distinguish between illegal aliens, who are here illegally and ....and frequently vote Republican.......” blah, blah, blah...

Save your PC lecture.

NO, legal latinos DO NOT vote republican. WAKE UP! Yes, there are a FEW who stand against amnesty and are our friends and neighbors....they are VASTLY outnumbered and the ones who suffer the most for this open border/amnesty nonsense.
LEGAL latinos, especially the previously amnestied and their anchor babies are mostly the ones in gangs and pushing AMNESTY. THEY have dual citizenship! Most recent ‘immigrants’ care nothing for you or this country or the rule of law.

*ZOGBY Poll: Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.
Thu Oct 15 11:51:17 2009 ·

(CNSNews.com) - Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans – including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/poll-mexicans-say-mexican-americans-owe-loyalty-mexico-over-us


11 posted on 02/15/2013 1:37:57 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Little Ray

I agree completely.


12 posted on 02/15/2013 1:42:03 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Bryan

Bryan, this thread and this subject is specifically about ILLEGAL immigrants. It is in the second WORD in the article. That is pretty straightforward.

What we need to do is caution against reinforcing the false impression that conservatives are against immigrants and immigration. That is a cudgel that the left uses against us quite successfully, even though it is completely false. Even saying things in the fashion you did reinforces their false assertions, and gives them ammunition.

Many conservatives ARE immigrants. They understand the siren song of liberalism better than most of us who were born here do.


13 posted on 02/15/2013 1:49:13 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: rlmorel

“What we need to do is caution against reinforcing the false impression that conservatives are against immigrants and immigration”

Your point is well taken, however, this discussion has to also include...HOW MANY....How many ‘legal’ immigrants should we allow?

Over a million take the oath of citizenship every year.
There are dozens of different visas..student, work, hardship..
Then there are the refugees not counted by ICE, but handed out by the State Dept.
We are allowing about 4 million a year in, with virtually no screening.

A Day in the Life of USCIS”
http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2006/04/day-in-life-of-uscis-is-this-any-way.html
[snip]http://uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/DayinLife_050629.pdf (click here to see orignial document)

Some of the DAILY work of USIS according to their own document:

* Conduct 135,000 national security background checks

* process 30,000 applications for immigrant benefits

* Issue 7,000 permanent resident cards (green cards -PER DAY)

* Welcome 2100 new citizens.

* Welcome 3500 new permanent residents.

Does this look like we are not allowing enough “Legal” entries?


14 posted on 02/15/2013 2:02:53 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
NO, legal latinos DO NOT vote republican.

Really? Then how did Romney get 27% of the Latino vote? How did Bush get over 40% of the Latino vote in 2004?

I look forward to your explanation. The ones who are here LEGALLY are likely to vote Republican, if we can just stop sounding like racists. Remember, any time we use harsh rhetoric against illegal immigration, Democratic operatives will be pointing and saying, "See that? They're racists!"

And they'll be saying it in Spanish, on a dozen websites and Spanish-language radio stations.

Stop handing ammunition to Democratic operatives. That's all I'm asking.

15 posted on 02/15/2013 2:05:10 PM PST by Bryan
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To: AuntB
Some of the DAILY work of USIS according to their own document ...

That includes immigrants from Poland, Russia, India, and 100 other foreign countries that are not in Latin America.

You're painting with a really broad brush, AuntB.

16 posted on 02/15/2013 2:08:45 PM PST by Bryan
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To: AuntB; Bryan

Thanks AuntB for standing up against the PC notions of those who would bring down this country


17 posted on 02/15/2013 2:08:45 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
Thanks AuntB for standing up against the PC notions of those who would bring down this country

That's hilarious. I want our country to survive, but I also want our party to survive. If we continue using harsh rhetoric against Latinos, the Republican Party is dead. You can talk about starting a new party all you want, but actually getting it done, and winning control of the White House and Congress with it, would take 100 years.

If it can be done at all. Consider what we're up against.

The smart move is to reform the Republican Party and make it the Latino Party ... the party of LEGAL Latinos. If we do that, we don't have to give an inch on the issues we hold dear, such as the right to life, the Second Amendment, taxes and spending.

18 posted on 02/15/2013 2:12:38 PM PST by Bryan
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To: Bryan

“Then how did Romney get 27% of the Latino vote? How did Bush get over 40% of the Latino vote in 2004? “

27%....you got to be kidding...that’s what you’re so proud of!
That really did a lot of good, didn’t it???

And BUSH...because he wanted to give them AMNESTY!!! You’re like most politicians....you care more about the foreign opinion than the vote of your fellow citizens. MOST Americans disagree with you!

I’ve been to Mexico! I don’t want any more of this country to turn into another 3rd world hell hole! When they stop marching in our streets, calling us names and carrying the MEXICAN FLAG, I might change my mind. MOST of our immigrants are LATINO...poor & ignorant and dropped right out of the 18th century and MOST of them on welfare! I don’t like white trash, or latino trash. We are nothing but a dumping ground for all the trash all points south want out of their own countries! Now, go try to convince someone of this nonsense who doesn’t know better.


19 posted on 02/15/2013 2:16:37 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Bryan

40 million more Democrats and trillions and trillions in new spending on them is the result of any kind of amnesty.

I already loathe the GOPe, if they go for “immigration reform” pandering, they have lost me for good.


20 posted on 02/15/2013 2:17:29 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Bryan

I am not “Latino” and the GOPe wants to be the Amnesty Party, they can count me out.


21 posted on 02/15/2013 2:21:19 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Bryan; GeronL

“You’re painting with a really broad brush, AuntB. “

Can you read? I didn’t create that brush, babe...THEY DID!

ONE more time, and I’m done! 70% of a population who has NO loyalty to my country does NOT BELONG HERE!

*ZOGBY Poll: Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.
Thu Oct 15 11:51:17 2009 ·

(CNSNews.com) - Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans – including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/poll-mexicans-say-mexican-americans-owe-loyalty-mexico-over-us


22 posted on 02/15/2013 2:21:48 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
27%....you got to be kidding...that’s what you’re so proud of!

That really did a lot of good, didn’t it???

No, it didn't do enough good. But that illustrates a couple of points I'm making, AuntB. First, Romney used the word "self-deportation" in reference to Latinos. That was a stupid thing to say, and it cost him millions of votes. Between that and his "47 percent" remark, he made two stupid statements that probably cost him the election. I will again remind you that Bush got over 40% of the Latino vote in 2004.

Second, 27% of Latinos voted for Romney IN SPITE OF his insensitive remark about Latinos. This means they are hard-core conservatives ... shooting a .50-caliber hole in your claim that "legal Latinos don't vote for Republicans."

23 posted on 02/15/2013 2:22:30 PM PST by Bryan
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To: AuntB
ONE more time, and I’m done! 70% of a population who has NO loyalty to my country does NOT BELONG HERE!

True, they don't belong here. Read your own link. The poll was taken IN MEXICO. Take a poll of Latinos who are living in the United States, particularly the ones who have applied for citizenship or were born here, and the poll results will be vastly different.

24 posted on 02/15/2013 2:26:11 PM PST by Bryan
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To: GeronL

“Thanks AuntB for standing up against the PC notions of those who would bring down this country”

Well, I wish it did some good. For 14 years, many of us tried to tell the FROBL’s (Free Republic Open border lovers) what was coming. But we got banned, insulted and painted with that BROAD RACIST BRUSH. Because of those PC ‘good republicans’ we now look forward to our grandchildren knowing first hand what a 3rd world hell hole is like to live in.

It’s not the aliens I have disdain for, it’s the PC BS wanna be republican traitors.


25 posted on 02/15/2013 2:26:28 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

70% are loyal to Mexico. That is obvious, have you ever seen a US-Mexico soccer game, they don’t root for this country. Not even the ones who were born here.


26 posted on 02/15/2013 2:27:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: AuntB

I agree. But amnesty will be the end. Those “12 million” legalized will be allowed to bring in their families, we’ll have 40 million more tax parasites voting Democrat.


27 posted on 02/15/2013 2:31:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL; Kimberly GG

“I agree. But amnesty will be the end. Those “12 million” legalized will be allowed to bring in their families, we’ll have 40 million more tax parasites voting Democrat.”

You’re right. They are out of a socialist culture, wanting government to be Daddy.

The next amnesty would apply to at least 40 million illegal aliens
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-next-amnesty-would-apply-to-at-least-40-million-illegal-aliens

Also:
What does 20 million people actually look like? (and that isn’t counting anchor babies & chain immigration!)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1840655/posts
Do you realize if this AMNESTY happens we are in effect creating the equivilent of adding over 17 more states to this country? And that’s not even considering the chain migration that is in the Senate bill.

Please look at what giving amnesty to as many as 20,000,000 illegal alien foreign nationals actually represents. More than the population of 16 states and DC!

According to the 2000 census, 18,785,867 is the total populations combined of Wyoming, Dist. of Columbia, Vermont, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Delaware, Montana, Rhode Island, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Maine, Idaho, Nebraska, West Virginia, New Mexico and Nevada.

THINK about that!


28 posted on 02/15/2013 2:39:26 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: moonshinner_09

To use an Obamaism this flies in the face of common sense. The illegals first don’t want to abide by our laws and then they complain that the penalties are to stiff. The lawyers try to make the case that it’s the same as trying to by a drink while under age. And what in the hell is the ‘League of Latin American Citizens’ or what ever it said.


29 posted on 02/15/2013 2:53:52 PM PST by PatriotCause (California Sucks)
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To: PatriotCause

There have been two cases where I believe using an ID illegally was ruled

NOT A CRIME

An illegal alien was charged with using a stolen identity. His defense was that he didn’t know the social security number he was using belonged to anyone.

THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES AGREED.

If anyone is aware of this please chime in. There are definitely two different laws for US citizens and illegal aliens. Whenever the situation arises, I ask what if I am an illegal alien? So far in my conservative area, I get the right answer.

One more thing those who worry about the left catching us doing or saying something wrong or bad, take heart. It doesn’t matter what the right says, it will always be wrong or they will LIE about it. Democrats are the most sick people I have ever seen.


30 posted on 02/15/2013 3:18:01 PM PST by jdirt
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To: jdirt

“An illegal alien was charged with using a stolen identity. His defense was that he didn’t know the social security number he was using belonged to anyone.

THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES AGREED.

If anyone is aware of this please chime in. There are definitely two different laws for US citizens and illegal aliens. “

I remember it. GAWD Awful precedent. And yes, they are above the law...just imagine. Someone breaks several laws and gets rewarded with citizenship! What a country...

[snip]In spite of this, under federal and many state statutes, a person using someone else’s SSN or other personal information must “knowingly” do so in order to be convicted of felony identity theft. The United States Supreme Court has ruled that prosecutors must prove that an illegal alien is knowingly using another person’s SSN in order to convict the illegal alien of identity theft under the federal statute, thereby, leaving the victims of these serious and often devastating crimes unprotected.

http://www.cis.org/IdentityTheft


31 posted on 02/15/2013 3:34:19 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

My issue is not with the quantity of legal immigration, but the quality.

We should make it easy for skilled people to immigrate, not preferentially allow immigration from third world countries, which is what we seem to do.


32 posted on 02/15/2013 7:39:42 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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