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Ron Paul supporters denounce Rand Paul for Hagel vote
daily Caller ^ | 6:35 PM 02/14/2013 | W. James Antle III

Posted on 02/15/2013 2:41:41 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul’s vote to temporarily block Chuck Hagel’s nomination for secretary of defense elicited blowback from an unlikely source: antiwar conservatives and libertarians, many of them supporters of his father’s GOP presidential campaign.

Paul, the son of former Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul, joined all but four Republican senators Thursday in voting against a motion to end debate over Hagel’s nomination. GOP leaders are saying that they will not filibuster Hagel indefinitely, but instead want to delay a vote until they have more information about his speeches and finances.

“That is also why I voted to not end debate on the Hagel nomination,” Paul said in a statement. “I do not believe Sen. Hagel has adequately explained his activities and their financing since he left the Senate, and I believe this criteria is especially important when dealing with the revolving door between government and the private sector.”

That explanation wasn’t good enough for Justin Raimondo, editorial director of Antiwar.com and a strong supporter of Ron Paul. “It’s time for libertarians to treat Rand Paul like the turncoat he is: boycott,” Raimondo tweeted. “No $$, no support, & start calling him Paul the Lesser.”

Daniel Larison, a blogger and senior editor for the American Conservative magazine, called it “an awful, indefensible vote.”

Scott McConnell, one of the magazine’s founding editors, went a step further: “If Rand Paul persists on going demagogic on Hagel, he will have established beyond any serious doubt that regardless of who his father is, he is Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin’s boy.”

Kristol is editor in chief of the Weekly Standard, and Rubin is a blogger at the Washington Post. Both were strongly opposed to Hagel’s nomination, partly on the grounds that the former senator was too dovish on foreign policy and insufficiently pro-Israel.

Rand Paul, who argued for a more restrained Republican foreign policy in a speech at the Heritage Foundation earlier this month, had previously expressed an open mind toward Hagel. But on Wednesday, he began to signal publicly that he would support delaying Hagel’s confirmation.

Guardian blogger Glenn Greenwald, a liberal who has been sympathetic to the Pauls, complained, “Any hope Rand Paul was going to usher in some sort of new foreign policy in the GOP has just been torpedoed by his NO vote on Hagel cloture.”

The senator has weathered dust-ups with his father’s strongest supporters in the past, such as when he endorsed Mitt Romney for president near the end of the 2012 Republican primaries.

Republican opposition to Hagel’s nomination has intensified since his confirmation hearings. The cloture vote failed 58 to 40, two votes shy of what was necessary to end debate.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chuckhagel; hagelthehorrible; paulestinians; ronpaul

1 posted on 02/15/2013 2:41:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If Raimundo is all aflutter, then Rand probably made the right choice.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 2:44:02 PM PST by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

Further PROOF that many Ron Paul supporters are stupid idiots.


3 posted on 02/15/2013 2:44:15 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow.

The Paulitos are scummier than I thought. lol.

and “temporarily block” means delay... which means the GOPe will cave in a week or two


4 posted on 02/15/2013 2:44:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did Ron Paul apologize for his comments about the late Chris Kyle?!

If he didn’t, his supporters should STFU.


5 posted on 02/15/2013 2:46:17 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thumbs up for Rand.

If he is to be taken seriously - he MUST distance himself from his father and those kooky libertarians.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 2:48:26 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hagel looks (from everything I’ve seen reported, anyway) like a terrible nomination, especially for this job. And Rand definitely has to differentiate himself from his Dad, particularly on defense and foreign policy, if he wants to move forward in politics (at least in America). So, good for Rand!!


7 posted on 02/15/2013 2:49:26 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: marron

I’m really liking Rand Paul now.


8 posted on 02/15/2013 2:50:06 PM PST by RginTN
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To: RginTN

Ditto.
I do wish he’d ditch that Billy Koch haircut.


9 posted on 02/15/2013 2:52:02 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Justin Raimondo. Har!
How far crazy can you get?


10 posted on 02/15/2013 2:58:43 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: faithhopecharity
"That is also why I voted to not end debate on the Hagel nomination,” Paul said in a statement. “I do not believe Sen. Hagel has adequately explained his activities and their financing since he left the Senate, and I believe this criteria is especially important when dealing with the revolving door between government and the private sector.”

Rand, tell us what you really think. This is just baloney.

11 posted on 02/15/2013 2:59:03 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: SeekAndFind

Saw an interview w/Ron Paul last night. On Neil Cavuto show? When asked about Rand he said in so many words that Rand will go his own way & not necessarily be like his father. I think that is A good thing for Rand.


12 posted on 02/15/2013 3:01:56 PM PST by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Erik Latranyi

BINGO!

I am a huge fan of Rand Paul.


13 posted on 02/15/2013 3:05:40 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GeronL

For decades I followed Ron Paul, loved his house speeches. But once in a while he’d go completely off the ranch...like this and when he voted for most favored trade status for China.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 3:08:07 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Homosexual Jew hating dope fiends.


15 posted on 02/15/2013 3:09:57 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SeekAndFind

Rand Paul is looking better and better. He seems to be his own man, and his father’s cult can’t seem to handle that.


16 posted on 02/15/2013 3:15:39 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Homosexual Jew hating dope fiends.”

Been to the Libertarian Party convention, have you?


17 posted on 02/15/2013 3:18:51 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: SeekAndFind

Truth is not a popularity contest. Chuck Hagel is, without doubt, a very cynical nomination on the part of Bronco Bama.

Hagel’s very public and outspoken hostility to Israel does not bode well for the proposed direction of our international strategy in the area, and also indicates how other alliances throughout the world may very well be subverted. While this may be perfectly in alignment with how Bronco Bama means to make his legacy in the world, the fact that Chuck Hagel was also nominally a Republican, makes the choice all the more cynical. Like see, the Republicans were all a bunch of ninnies the Current Occupant of the White Hut can order around any way he wants, they will cave to any demand and fold up like a cheap umbrella when push comes to shove.

I do not much like this new country that has taken over the territory of the geographic area once known as “the United States of America.

Resist we much.


18 posted on 02/15/2013 3:20:43 PM PST by alloysteel (If conspiracy does not exist everywhere, it exists nowhere.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I think that the Paulites tinfoil hats are getting a wee bit too tight these days.....


19 posted on 02/15/2013 3:22:06 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe the headline the should read “Ron Paul supporters support an another anti-Semitic, anti-American snot”


20 posted on 02/15/2013 3:28:16 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: SeekAndFind; mickie; flaglady47; seekthetruth; gonzo; Bob Ireland; Chigirl 26
Rand will have to deal with this unsettling dreck as long as the old man has that uncurable DC itch to remain in the public spotlight.

The media will happily and assiduously play off the differences between the two like Nero and his fiddle....to the detriment of Rand.

You'd think that the blood bond between pater/filius would cause the elder Paul to....well, examine his conscience, purchase a time-share in the Cayman Islands....and SHUT UP!

Leni

21 posted on 02/15/2013 3:30:31 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Responsibility2nd

Rand is just as looney as his daddy but he is crafty....I’ll never vote for him.
The paul crowd is like a toilet that doesnt flush.....keep flushing but the crap stays.


22 posted on 02/15/2013 3:32:54 PM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTW, the “American Conservative” magazine is nothing of the kind.


23 posted on 02/15/2013 3:38:05 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: SeekAndFind

wRONg PAUL supporters are twisted. Seriously.


24 posted on 02/15/2013 4:00:20 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Rand Paul is not Ron Paul. Hopefully we will continue to see a difference.


25 posted on 02/15/2013 4:07:49 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: SeekAndFind

The legions of the Daily Paul are very angry!


26 posted on 02/15/2013 4:17:14 PM PST by Viennacon
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27 posted on 02/15/2013 7:26:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SeekAndFind. He's got three years to make MOR moves that don't mean much:
28 posted on 02/15/2013 7:28:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I do wish he’d ditch that Billy Koch haircut.

Who is Billy Koch?

29 posted on 02/16/2013 1:47:08 AM PST by RginTN
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To: SeekAndFind
Ron Pauls supporters open fire on Neo Cons...Kristol...Rubin.Weekly Standard..NRO ....etc

I say pass the ammo to both sides......maybe they will wipe each other out

Rand Paul..likely my first pick amongst early pics but Rove already has Rubio so guess im outta luck

Why does Levin support Rubio?

30 posted on 02/16/2013 2:48:49 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: RginTN

I said the same thing a week ago after his Islam & foreign policy speech at the Heritage Foundation. Worth reading:

http://reason.com/archives/2013/02/06/containment-and-radical-islam


31 posted on 02/16/2013 3:03:40 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: RginTN

One of the Koch Brothers.


32 posted on 02/16/2013 5:31:13 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Thumbs up for Rand.If he is to be taken seriously - he MUST distance himself from his father and those kooky libertarians.

There is one thing I know about Rand Paul. He will never distance himself from his father. He says things that sound oh so good, but like his father, he is a isolationist, hates Israel, considers America the bully and our Military baby killers.

I do not trust Rand Paul at all!

As for the so called conservatives who supported Ron Paul and stayed home because they wouldn't vote for Romney, they helped to give us Obama for four more years.

33 posted on 02/16/2013 7:11:04 AM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
One of the Koch Brothers.

Oh thanks, I know who they by the last names.

34 posted on 02/16/2013 2:32:01 PM PST by RginTN
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To: Erik Latranyi
Did Ron Paul apologize for his comments about the late Chris Kyle?!

If he didn’t, his supporters should STFU.

RuPaul's supporters will never shut up. Ever.

But, the more they decide to hate Rand Paul, the greater the possibility that I will at least give Rand a fair, open-minded listen in the future.

35 posted on 02/16/2013 2:40:10 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: lonevoice; manc; wymck; ghost26; PJammers; myuval; tiredofreeloaders; WBITT; bigcheese; Yulee; ...
I hope everyone who reads this thread will take the time to read this article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2988970/posts?page=35#35

From the article about Rand Paul's foreign policy speech:
“Proxy war was the heart of a successful containment policy,” said Smith. “Containment was a bloody, active affair.”

“From looking at Sen. Paul’s speech, we’re not quite talking about the same ideas of containment,” Smith added. “What containment means for him is the same as what it means for the most of the commentariat and probably most of the Obama administration. ‘Containment’ just means anything but the use of military force.”

*******

It was infuriating to me to hear Rand Paul use the name Reagan. Reagan believed in Peace through Strength and that is why Iran released the 52 Americans they held hostage for 444 days the minute Reagan was elected! They knew he wouldn't think twice about using military force, something Ron Paul or Rand Paul would never do!

36 posted on 02/16/2013 5:24:44 PM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: lonevoice; manc; wymck; ghost26; PJammers; myuval; tiredofreeloaders; WBITT; bigcheese; Yulee; ...
I hope everyone who reads this thread will take the time to read this article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2988970/posts?page=35#35

From the article about Rand Paul's foreign policy speech:
“Proxy war was the heart of a successful containment policy,” said Smith. “Containment was a bloody, active affair.”

“From looking at Sen. Paul’s speech, we’re not quite talking about the same ideas of containment,” Smith added. “What containment means for him is the same as what it means for the most of the commentariat and probably most of the Obama administration. ‘Containment’ just means anything but the use of military force.”

*******

It was infuriating to me to hear Rand Paul use the name Reagan. Reagan believed in Peace through Strength and that is why Iran released the 52 Americans they held hostage for 444 days the minute Reagan was elected! They knew he wouldn't think twice about using military force, something Ron Paul or Rand Paul would never do!

37 posted on 02/16/2013 5:24:44 PM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: lonevoice; manc; wymck; ghost26; PJammers; myuval; tiredofreeloaders; WBITT; bigcheese; Yulee; ...
I hope everyone who reads this thread will take the time to read this article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2988970/posts?page=35#35

From the article about Rand Paul's foreign policy speech:
“Proxy war was the heart of a successful containment policy,” said Smith. “Containment was a bloody, active affair.”

“From looking at Sen. Paul’s speech, we’re not quite talking about the same ideas of containment,” Smith added. “What containment means for him is the same as what it means for the most of the commentariat and probably most of the Obama administration. ‘Containment’ just means anything but the use of military force.”

*******

It was infuriating to me to hear Rand Paul use the name Reagan. Reagan believed in Peace through Strength and that is why Iran released the 52 Americans they held hostage for 444 days the minute Reagan was elected! They knew he wouldn't think twice about using military force, something Ron Paul or Rand Paul would never do!

38 posted on 02/16/2013 5:24:44 PM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth

SO SORRY ABOUT THE TRIPLE POSTS! Don’t know how that happened!!


39 posted on 02/16/2013 5:27:21 PM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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