Democrats Seek to Ban Hunting Ammunition in Wisconsin

redstate.com ^ | 2/15/12 | briansikma

[Nachum]

A Democratic state senator and three Democratic state representatives have circulated draft legislation that would ban civilian possession of hollow point or frangible ammunition in Wisconsin. According to existing Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources regulations, sportsmen and women in Wisconsin must use such ammunition when hunting deer or bear. The Democratic lawmakers, two of whom are freshman, all hail from urban districts in the City of Milwaukee.

The reasoning behind the legislation is somewhat muddled. The impact, however, is quite clear. According to a legislative counsel review of the legislation, it would essentially make it impossible for civilians to hunt deer or bear in Wisconsin.

“The provision in the bill draft that provides whoever intentionally sells, transports or possesses any bullet that expands or flattens easily in the human body is guilty of a Class H felony conflicts with current DNR hunting rules. Under s. NR 10.09 (1)(c)2., ‘no person shall hunt any deer or bear with any air rifle, rim-fire rifle, any center-fire rifle less than .22 caliber, any .410 bore or less shotgun or handgun loaded with .410 shotgun shell ammunition or with ammunition loaded with nonexpanding type bullets or ammunition loaded with shot other than a single slug or projectile.’ The bill draft does not provide an exception to the prohibition on possessing expanding bullets for deer or bear hunting.” (Emphasis added)

[Nachum]

Does that make it 3 midwestern states on the same day with the same legislation? Minn., Iowa, and now Wisc?

Just as Obamsky is speechifying in Chicago.

[Nachum]

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[skeeter]

I hope the democrats keep this up for the next year & a half.

[therut]

Their true ignorant is showing.

[therut]

Their true ignorance is showing.

[therut]

Their true ignorance is showing.

[Little Ray]

Need to get this on floor and require a Roll-Call Vote. This won’t go over well the folks of Wisconsin and the Democrat should be made to pay...

[cripplecreek]

Somebody told me that democruds here in Michigan introduced a gun grabbing bill but I haven’t seen it.

I really hope they have chosen to drive themselves off this cliff.

[Yo-Yo]

Do these idiots understand that hollow point ammunition is designed to stop inside of a person, where full metal jacket ammunition usually goes right through?

Hollow point ammunition is what Joycelyn Elders wished for with “safer bullets.”

[Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America]

It’s all just a coincidence. Like the ‘folks’ protesting the Keystone pipeline.. 0bama probably organized that, then acts surprised.

[ozzymandus]

These people really have to be slapped down, and now.

[Yosemitest]

They must know that the Second Amendment is for hunting Tyrants!

The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You cannot protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

The Second Amendment IS Pro-Life.

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these:
First, a right to life;
Secondly, to liberty;
Thirdly, to property;
together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.
These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation,
commonly called the first law of nature...
In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society,
to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights;
when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights;
the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.
If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation.
The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty,
it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift
and voluntarily become a slave."




-- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.

Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

" Today, military service for Swiss males is universal. At about age 20, every Swiss male goes through 118 consecutive days of recruit training in the Rekrutenschule. ...

Even before required training begins, young men and women may take optional courses with the Swiss army's M57 assault rifle.
They keep that gun at home for three months and receive six half-day training sessions.

From age 21 to 32, a Swiss man serves as a "frontline" troop in the Auszug, and devotes three weeks a year (in eight of the 12 years) to continued training.
From age 33 to 42, he serves in the Landwehr (like America's National Guard); every few years, he reports for two-week training periods.
Finally, from ages 43, to 50, he serves in the Landsturm; in this period, he only spends 13 days total in "home guard courses."

Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice.
Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service.
Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers).

By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms.
After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service.

Today, enlisted men are issued M57 AUTOMATIC assault rifles and officers are given pistol.
Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use.
(Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation.
Starting in the 1994, the government will GIVE ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy MILITARY ammunition
(7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols)
which is sold AT COST by the government, for target practice .
Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to NO sales controls.
Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered IF bought at a private store, BUT NEED NOT BE REGISTERED IF bought at a range.
The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition.
Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army SELLS a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.
Purchasers of these weapons require an EASILY OBTAINED cantonal license, and the weapons are registered.
In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 FULLY AUTOMATIC assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns.
Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides SUBSIDIZED military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too.
While long guns require NO special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority.
A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are NO restrictions on the carrying of long guns.
About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have NO rules at all.
There is NO discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require NO PURCHASE PERMIT and are NOT registered by the government.
Thus, the ONLY long guns registered by the government are FULL AUTOMATICS."

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember:

The beauty of the Second Amendment is
that it will not be needed
until they TRY to take it.

Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .

[ought-six]

I propose that we ban Democrats nationwide. It’s for the children. After all, if it saves one child’s life.

[muawiyah]

They be IGNANT!

[Nowhere Man]

I propose that we ban Democrats nationwide. It’s for the children. After all, if it saves one child’s life.

Here ya go, this was on a billboard here in the Pittsburgh area back in the 1950's.

[AtlasStalled]

These state DemoQuacks are in an anti-gun frenzy across the country.

[TigersEye]

OK, hunters, do you still think the NRA is exaggerating the threat to gun ownership by Democrats? Join the NRA, join the GOA, join JPFO ... join something and start fighting back!

[Bob]

Hollow point ammunition is what Joycelyn Elders wished for with “safer bullets.”

They're certainly safer for anyone who happens to be behind the person you're shooting. (Not so safe for the person being hit.)

[DJ MacWoW]

Furious at the December 1773 Boston Tea Party, Parliament in 1774 passed the Coercive Acts. The particular provisions of the Coercive Acts were offensive to Americans, but it was the possibility that the British might deploy the army to enforce them that primed many colonists for armed resistance. The Patriots of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, resolved: “That in the event of Great Britain attempting to force unjust laws upon us by the strength of arms, our cause we leave to heaven and our rifles.” A South Carolina newspaper essay, reprinted in Virginia, urged that any law that had to be enforced by the military was necessarily illegitimate.

The Royal Governor of Massachusetts, General Thomas Gage, had forbidden town meetings from taking place more than once a year. When he dispatched the Redcoats to break up an illegal town meeting in Salem, 3000 armed Americans appeared in response, and the British retreated. Gage’s aide John Andrews explained that everyone in the area aged 16 years or older owned a gun and plenty of gunpowder.

Military rule would be difficult to impose on an armed populace. Gage had only 2,000 troops in Boston. There were thousands of armed men in Boston alone, and more in the surrounding area. One response to the problem was to deprive the Americans of gunpowder.

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[facedown]

Bump that

[West Texas Chuck]

It's on people.

Outlaw my firearms and their magazines and their ammo. It's on.

Law abiding people need not apply, we are the enemies of the lawmakers.

We have a ruling class and they have made their minds up. We suck and we need to be stomped out of legal existence. I am the enemy.

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

[Strategerist]

Do these idiots understand that hollow point ammunition is designed to stop inside of a person, where full metal jacket ammunition usually goes right through?

There were plenty of "idiots" here and the conservative blogosphere having a cow over the purchase of "hollow point rounds" that were "banned by the Geneva Convention" in the hullabaloo over the large DHS and Social Security agency ammo purchases, so this level of cluelessness unfortunately isn't confined to the Left.

[TigersEye]

I am a law abiding citizen today but CO lawmakers may make me a criminal tomorrow. I will not lift a finger to change that status if they do. In fact I will buy more of those unlawful toys I have been wanting for a long time before their laws are put into effect.

[Renegade]

Looks like its time to decorate some telephone poles.

[Secret Agent Man]

not...gonna...happen.....

no, not gonna happen, no no,

not..gonna...happen /end black gospel singing

[Scrambler Bob]

If I wanted to obey their new, proposed laws, I could not, without a lot of time and effort (which I do not have).

I do not know how long it would take to locate the things they are wanting me to find and surrender.

And this is not due to deliberate obfuscation; it is only due to a messy garage (I think the garage — may be a storage shed — or ... well, they are in a ‘safe place’).

[expat2]

Can you say “Over-reach”?

[familyop]

"These state DemoQuacks are in an anti-gun frenzy across the country."

A magazine ban just passed the Colorado House by voice vote. Do you know what that means? IMO, it would be a good idea to watch for voice votes vs. roll call votes on certain bills in the various states. There are a few VIP constituents behind each of those politicians and both parties, and most of them would rather continue to be private.

[Big Red Badger]

well , now,,,,
I’m sure it will All work out just fine.
/sarc

[SWAMPSNIPER]

The idiots just make stuff up, they have no idea what the laws they propose actually mean.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Tell ya what. Read between the lines or whatever the heck you want with this comment.

I grew up in that state. I know the people. I PITY the person who tries to take their ammo away, who tells them they can’t hunt.

Oh yeah....

[Cyber Liberty]

<Coumo voice> You don't need 10 bullets to kill a deah!!!! </Coumo voice>

<Cyber Liberty voice> I don't want 10 bullets to kill a deer!!! I want a lot of rounds to kill the thugs trying to rape my daughter!!! </Clyber Liberty voice>

I had some dope on Facebook wondering why I want a 30 round magazine to kill Babmi, and I replied, "You idiot! I don't want to kill Bambi. I want to kill the thug trying to kill me or my family."

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Bluff and bluster. Ain’t gonna happen here. Hunting is a multi-BILLION dollar industry in this state.

We have a true Republican for a Governor and Republicans (with the exception of Dale Schultz - POS!) control the House and the Assembly.

Nope. Not buying it...but I HAVE been buying ammo, LOL!

[SWAMPSNIPER]

They're all big city types, they know absolutely nothing about guns, they're just looking for scary sounding stuff to moan about.

They are so arrogant that they don't know how ignorant they are.

[bunkerhill7]

Praise the Lord and pass the ammuntion!

[bunkerhill7]

Hell we can make automatic weapons and ammo from hair spray, a spark plug and a printer

[Elsiejay]

For many years, until Scott Weaver was elected Governor, citizens of Wisconsin were repeatedly frustrated in attempts to secure legal authority for concealed carry. I doubt they are going to accept this cockeyed harassment proposal.

[Elsiejay]

For many years, until Scott Walker was elected Governor, citizens of Wisconsin were repeatedly frustrated in attempts to secure legal authority for concealed carry. I doubt they are going to accept this cockeyed harassment proposal.

[New Jersey Realist]

CO lawmakers may make me a criminal.

Ayn Rand wrote about this in her book, Atlas Shrugged. The government made all Americans criminals with the laws they legislated!

[Progov]

“Bluff and bluster. Ain’t gonna happen here. Hunting is a multi-BILLION dollar industry in this state.

We have a true Republican for a Governor and Republicans (with the exception of Dale Schultz - POS!) control the House and the Assembly.

Nope. Not buying it...but I HAVE been buying ammo, LOL!”

I totally agree. Any such bill would NOT be signed by Governor Walker. In the event a different (Demodummie) gov. were to get elected, my continuing purchase and reloading of ammuntion will continue until I run out of storage capacity. I own several buildings so that may take some time.......

[buffaloguy]

Ban deer and bear hunting in Wisconsin?

I love it when the Demos spray down their hands with water and then grab the third rail.

And this is the third rail.

[TigersEye]

I am very familiar with Atlas Shrugged and the quote in question. This is a little different though. These gun control laws aren't simply another snare to trip when they feel like tying up a citizen in bureaucratic harassment and immobilizing him.

They are direct assaults on basic liberty and the Constitution. They are aimed at instigating fundamental social and political changes by eroding the foundations of our system and demonizing those who defend it.