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Gun Murders Shot Up 25% After Missouri Repealed Universal Background Check Law(barf alert)
ibtimes.com ^ | 15 February, 2013 | Ashley Portero

Posted on 02/15/2013 7:36:18 PM PST by marktwain

Universal background checks before gun purchases can have an enormous impact on reducing firearm-related deaths, according to testimony presented before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee this week.

Missouri, the site of President Barack Obama’s recent gun control speech, had a firm “permit-to-purchase” law in place until 2007, when it was repealed. The law -- which both the Missouri Sport Shooting Association and NRA helped overturn -- required Missouri residents to obtain a sheriff’s permit before purchasing a concealable weapon.

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While gun rights lobbyists, led by the National Rifle Association, claim criminal background checks before all purchases are impractical and unnecessary, research from the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research found that strict guidelines may actually reduce gun-related homicides.

Missouri, the site of President Barack Obama’s recent gun control speech, had a firm “permit-to-purchase” law in place until 2007, when it was repealed. The law -- which both the Missouri Sport Shooting Association and NRA helped overturn -- required Missouri residents to obtain a sheriff’s permit before purchasing a concealable weapon.

Although, under federal law, gun dealers are already required to run background checks on individuals purchasing handguns, that regulation only applies to licensed dealers. The Missouri law went one step further by mandating background checks on the sale and transfer of firearms between individuals and unlicensed dealers.

“Preliminary evidence suggests that the increase in the diversion of guns to criminals linked to the law’s repeal may have translated into increases in homicides committed with firearms,” Webster said in his written testimony to the Senate. “From 1999 through 2007, Missouri’s age-adjusted homicide rate was relatively stable, fluctuating around a mean of 4.66 per 100,000 population per year. In 2008, the first full year after the permit-to-purchase licensing law was repealed, the age-adjusted firearm homicide rate in Missouri increased sharply to 6.23 per 100,000 population, a 34 percent increase. For the post-repeal period of 2008-2010, the mean annual age-adjusted firearm homicide rate was 5.82, 25 percent above the pre-repeal mean.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: backgroundcheck; banglist; guncontrol; mo; murder; secondamendment
I wonder what all the "age adjustment is. Also, it reads as if the comparison is from total homicide rates to firearm homicide rates.

Firearm homicide rates is a propaganda metric. I want to see the total homicide rate before and after.

1 posted on 02/15/2013 7:36:29 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research”

After seeing the source, I don’t need to know anything else. Its like getting an analytical study on economics from the old Soviet Union.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 7:43:04 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain

Frankly, I don’t even care what the numbers are, because I don’t agree with the premise.

If they want to cut homicide rates in half, they could blind black males at birth. Statistically, that would do the trick. Now is that acceptable? Hell, no.

So eliminating my rights is a not starter, no matter what they claim the benefit will be.


3 posted on 02/15/2013 7:45:54 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain

The Johns Hopkins gun policy is funded by the Joyce Foundation. All gun grabbing work usually leads to the Joyce Foundation. One of their board members also used to be one Bacrock Hussein Osama.


4 posted on 02/15/2013 7:49:24 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: marktwain

Looks like background check legislation could be passed by congress and become law. My problem with that it could violate some citizen’s 1nd Amendment rights due to errors in the system.

For example there are errors in the “no-fly” database and some law abiding citizens get booted off public airlines flights.

But even more egregious to me is charging a fee for gun licensing, background checks & concealed carry permits. That most certainly will make it difficult for poor people to own guns.


5 posted on 02/15/2013 7:56:56 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: marktwain; All

There was a jump in the overall murder rate in 2008. The murder rates from 2004 to 2011 are as follows: 6.15, 6.95, 6.30, 6.55, 7.65 (2008), 6.46, 7.00, 6.09(2011).

Interestingly, there were large increases in the murder rate right after the 1968 national gun law was passed, prohibiting sales across state lines:

1966, 5.42, 1967 7.32, 1968 8.81, 1969 10.41, 1970 10.66.

So it appears that the 1968 national gun control program pushed up homicide rates much more than a repeal of background checks might have in 2007-2008.

Too many factors to really consider, but this will be a talking point to try to push for universal gun registration.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 8:02:28 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain; All

Here are Missori crime rates, 1960 - 2011:

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/mocrimn.htm


7 posted on 02/15/2013 8:04:41 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Missori should be Missouri.


8 posted on 02/15/2013 8:05:32 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
"...found that strict guidelines may actually reduce gun-related homicides."

"...law’s repeal may have translated into increases"

Looks inconclusive to me. Not good to make a law based on inconclusive data.

9 posted on 02/15/2013 8:09:44 PM PST by BattleFlag (The right to self defense, one without which none others matter)
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To: SampleMan

They don’t do any research either. They write white papers, policy position papers.

And their papers are so poorly sourced that they’re effectively worthless, except as propaganda.


10 posted on 02/15/2013 8:18:08 PM PST by Velvet_Jones
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To: marktwain

Has anyone else noticed the seemingly escalation in violent multi victim gun related murders since obama took office? I would like to see a graph. You can’t watch the news anymore without multimurders involving guns being reported. Either they are being orchestrated on some human level, or it is because of the vast empowerment of satanic forces let loose on society through obama’s influence.


11 posted on 02/15/2013 8:20:52 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: BattleFlag

Looks like they didn’t bother to focus in any further than needed to get the conclusion they were hoping for. Nothing about whether other serious crime rose too, or what demographics were involved.


12 posted on 02/15/2013 8:33:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Bellflower

I think, yes, Barack Obama is part of a devils’ plan. Of himself, he appears to be a figurehead for the Democrats more than a politician with a personal philosophy.


13 posted on 02/15/2013 8:36:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: marktwain

Lie. The source proves it’s a lie.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 8:41:21 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

It would be edifying to identify the particular twist that got this likely misrepresentation going. While a few exceptions exist, and for all we know this might be one, the general proven rule IS that more guns mean less crime towards honest citizens and overall.


15 posted on 02/15/2013 8:44:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: marktwain
“From 1999 through 2007, Missouri’s age-adjusted homicide rate was relatively stable, fluctuating around a mean of 4.66 per 100,000 population per year. In 2008, the first full year after the permit-to-purchase licensing law was repealed, the age-adjusted firearm homicide rate in Missouri increased sharply to 6.23 per 100,000 population, a 34 percent increase. For the post-repeal period of 2008-2010, the mean annual age-adjusted firearm homicide rate was 5.82, 25 percent above the pre-repeal mean.”

Let's see, 4.66 per 100,000 goes to 6.23 per 100,000 which is an increase of less than 2 per 100,000. Without knowing the standard deviation of the "relatively stable" 4.66 rate it is difficult to judge but given that even that "spike" fell back to a ten year average increase of 1.2 per 100,000 I'd say that was statistically insignificant.

Regards,
GtG

16 posted on 02/15/2013 9:30:38 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: marktwain

It changed in one year because the state background check law was repealed? BS! All FFLs still had to comply with FedMob NICs checks. No supporting data to reach any such conclusion given in the article. Pure propaganda.


17 posted on 02/15/2013 9:40:20 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: marktwain

If there’s a problem, I suspect it would be with the “unlicensed dealers.” Whatever that is.


18 posted on 02/15/2013 10:26:38 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain

You can’t win these types of political arguments with statistics. For one thing, they are overused. For another, each side has their statistics and both believe the other is wrong. It just comes down to each faction quoting “facts” without either side changing many minds.

It comes down to this: we have a contract with the federal government called the US Constitution. The 2nd Amendment restrains government from infringing on the right to own and use guns. Don’t believe in guns? Don’t own them. Like guns? Buy whatever you want.

The President of the United States, Congress, and judges cannot legally or morally take away 2nd Amendment rights. Anyone who wants to go beyond their personal choice to bear arms (or not) and force their will on others is required to first amend the US Constitution. That’s how it was designed to work. Don’t want your neighbor to have guns? Amend the constitution, then we can talk.

So I don’t really care if universal background checks decrease or increase murders by some measureable amount. Maybe murders would be cut in half by universal background checks. That might be a good selling point for a constitutional amendment, but it isn’t justification by itself to ignore the law of the land, the US Constitution.


19 posted on 02/15/2013 11:32:40 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: marktwain
Here is the breakdown I want to see.

Crimes committed by Obama Loving Liberal Voters versus Crimes committed by Constitution Loving Conservative Voters.

20 posted on 02/16/2013 12:34:46 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: marktwain

Surprisingly not considered a sharp increase.


21 posted on 02/16/2013 12:38:43 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Darren McCarty
The Johns Hopkins gun policy is funded by the Joyce Foundation.

All gun grabbing work usually leads to the Joyce Foundation

The Joyce Foundation pays for and gets studies, polls and other misinformation that is anti-gun.

Follow the money trail.

22 posted on 02/16/2013 2:43:36 AM PST by TYVets
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To: SampleMan
Corrected:

Johns Hopkins Center for Anti-Gun Policy and Research

23 posted on 02/16/2013 4:23:52 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: marktwain

Very bogus assumption without indicating the source of guns. I doubt they were legally purchased and immediately used to murder someone. Study also fails to note impact of economic downturn. This is pure BS. As Mark Twain said: “There are lies,damned lies, and statistics.”


24 posted on 02/16/2013 5:26:09 AM PST by Boomer One
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To: Wonder Warthog
Johns Hopkins Center for Anti-Gun Policy and Research

Precisely, because what would you assume if you heard:
...Center for Religous Policy and Research
...Center for Censor Policy and Research
...Center for Policy and Research of the Jewish Problem

And no doubt, our tax dollars and IOUs are being spent on grants to fund studies on how to restrict our freedom.

25 posted on 02/16/2013 5:47:29 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
While a few exceptions exist, and for all we know this might be one, the general proven rule IS that more guns mean less crime towards honest citizens and overall.
Well, that would be the general rule. After all, for each murder in a given year, there are thousands of legal, law-abiding gun owners. Thousands.

Which would tell anyone who was willing to hear it that, as a rule, guns aren’t made, and aren’t bought - at least not legally - to commit crimes but to prevent them. A gun is an insurance policy against violence. You buy an insurance policy, you hope you don’t need it. And even if one encountered if a miscreant who was armed, he might see no reason to risk picking a fair fight. A fellow could get hurt doing that . . .


26 posted on 02/16/2013 7:26:20 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: marktwain

But the fact that national homicide rates have plummeted since the advent of shall-issue CCW means nothing.


27 posted on 02/16/2013 8:42:07 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: BattleFlag
"...found that strict guidelines may actually reduce gun-related homicides." "...law’s repeal may have translated into increases"

Weasel Words

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word

28 posted on 02/16/2013 8:49:59 AM PST by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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